Support for crown crates?
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✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »mrfrontman wrote: »I agree 100% with OP. I did it myself once to test the odds and you would have better luck winning at a casino that's rigged. Don't support this.
I 100% disagree with OP. I did it myself once to test the odds and got the exact mount I wanted and some other awesome cosmetics.
Do support this.
Thats the main reason I do not support this, it is pure gambling and ZOS abusing the human psychology, there are underage kids who are take advantage of and actually are not legally allowed to gamble
There are no cash rewards in the crown crates. It may be a fine line, but buying crown crates is not considered gambling in the official sense. There's nothing but digital fluff in there, so no regulatory body would condemn or regulate it.
As long as what you can win has the appearance of a monetary value it's considered gambling, even if that monetary value is pure make-belief. If you look up the definition of gambling it doesn't state that there explicitly has to be a cash reward possible, but has more to do with the act itself, i.e. betting on an outcome in a game of chance. The Crown Crates have shown to be just as addictive to some people as "real" gambling, as the stories of "I spent hundreds of dollars on crown crates" are not singular instances, but unfortunately rather common.
ZOS encourages bad behaviour and feed into addiction with this garbage, and they should know better than to ever have included this in their game.
Regardless of your personal opinion on gambling, it is in fact legal in most places and laws are being passed everywhere to legalize it where it isn't. It is a popular past time and growing more popular, ZOS is wise for appealing to the masses and jumping on the bandwagon.
However I reiterate, to all the organizations that matter, the crown crates are not considered real gambling. It doesn't matter what Internet definition you chose to go by.1 -
SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Thats the main reason I do not support this, it is pure gambling and ZOS abusing the human psychology, there are underage kids who are take advantage of and actually are not legally allowed to gamble
I suppose ZOS should now be responsible for kids who have garbage parents?
Well Casinos do put age restrictions on gambling enforced by the government so that even if the parents are bad the government would protect them, ZOS is the government of ESO
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DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Thats the main reason I do not support this, it is pure gambling and ZOS abusing the human psychology, there are underage kids who are take advantage of and actually are not legally allowed to gamble
I suppose ZOS should now be responsible for kids who have garbage parents?
Well Casinos do put age restrictions on gambling enforced by the government so that even if the parents are bad the government would protect them, ZOS is the government of ESO
Have you seen the rating of this game? Not to mention buying crowns require credit card details.
The question should be when it comes to praying on kids is why are you allowing your kids to have your credit card or any credit card info in the first place? And why are they even playing eso?0 -
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✭CosmicSoul wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Thats the main reason I do not support this, it is pure gambling and ZOS abusing the human psychology, there are underage kids who are take advantage of and actually are not legally allowed to gamble
I suppose ZOS should now be responsible for kids who have garbage parents?
Well Casinos do put age restrictions on gambling enforced by the government so that even if the parents are bad the government would protect them, ZOS is the government of ESO
Have you seen the rating of this game? Not to mention buying crowns require credit card details.
The question should be when it comes to praying on kids is why are you allowing your kids to have your credit card or any credit card info in the first place? And why are they even playing eso?
Yep, Which circles right back around to my original point that sparked this individual of conversation:I suppose ZOS should now be responsible for kids who have garbage parents?0 -
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✭✭I would rather (and have on plenty of occasions) buy stuff straight from the cash shop and know what I'm getting. I will not buy crown crates. I don't gamble. I will buy more things straight off the cash shop when nice items are available that I can see and know what I'm getting. Until then, they can stuff the crown crate system.HEARTHLIGHT - A guild for housing enthusiasts! Contact @Kesstryl in-game to join.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People are funny. These players say "why do you put the cool stuff in gambling crates, if you sell it outright I'd pay for it"
So Zos selsl mounts outright. The same players say "why did you make this mount so expensive, it should be cheaper"
These are usually the same people that won't pay 99 cents for an app as if they could have created it themselves. The same people who don't want to pay for logos and art bc they have a nephew they can guilt into making it for them for free. These people don't see the value and never will. A sparkly digital horse doesn't affect your life at all in practical terms and yet... it feels nice. Why? The human brain is weird. They are only "against" crates because they want what's inside. If you don't want what's inside you'd have the attitude of @MLGProPlayer.
What you don't know is: Zos knows you were never going to give them extra money no matter what they did (crates or outright) they aren't here for you. Zos is here for the people who are going to give them money anyway because those people are already happy and satisfied with the product As Is and don't mind paying extra for sprinkles.
I'm here for the ice cream , I paid for the ice cream , I joined the membership for the ice cream club and heck yeah put some sprinkles on that ice cream , I know it costs extra.**
**(this is an example I'm actually lactose intolerant lol)
Oh look, another tired old "you must be cheap and/or poor and/or don't support the game if you don't embrace crown crates" argument.
Sure there are some people who will complain about the price of anything, when that price is known. Do they buy anyway? I suspect more than a few do.
I've given them plenty of my own money to directly purchase things I wanted. Lots of people have. Is it enough for ZOS? I guess not since they're grasping for more, but I'm sure not playing this silly game where they want me to gamble an undetermined amount to get every single item in the crates before I can have the items I want. That's not the game I came here to play. Ymmv, though.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said people are cheap or poor. I said they don't see the value in it.
There are people in this world who will never see the value in art. If it doesn't "do something" what is the use? -- this attitude is what drive people to pay for the game (it Does something) but not pay for more features (there's no function it doesn't Do anything/it's just pretty colors)
If you see the value in the art they've made, then we don't have an argument. If you think even your 5 year old niece could do it ("oh Zos isn't it so easy to *just* implement this or *just* add that or *just* defend against hackers") then no amount of arguing is going to convince you.
If you think it takes very little effort to do, you dont value it enough to pay for it. Plain, simple.Edited by max_only on March 7, 2017 5:45AM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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LOL value yeah I see value in gambling on crap that's RNG instead of a direct purchase!!People are funny. These players say "why do you put the cool stuff in gambling crates, if you sell it outright I'd pay for it"
So Zos selsl mounts outright. The same players say "why did you make this mount so expensive, it should be cheaper"
These are usually the same people that won't pay 99 cents for an app as if they could have created it themselves. The same people who don't want to pay for logos and art bc they have a nephew they can guilt into making it for them for free. These people don't see the value and never will. A sparkly digital horse doesn't affect your life at all in practical terms and yet... it feels nice. Why? The human brain is weird. They are only "against" crates because they want what's inside. If you don't want what's inside you'd have the attitude of @MLGProPlayer.
What you don't know is: Zos knows you were never going to give them extra money no matter what they did (crates or outright) they aren't here for you. Zos is here for the people who are going to give them money anyway because those people are already happy and satisfied with the product As Is and don't mind paying extra for sprinkles.
I'm here for the ice cream , I paid for the ice cream , I joined the membership for the ice cream club and heck yeah put some sprinkles on that ice cream , I know it costs extra.**
**(this is an example I'm actually lactose intolerant lol)
Oh look, another tired old "you must be cheap and/or poor and/or don't support the game if you don't embrace crown crates" argument.
Sure there are some people who will complain about the price of anything, when that price is known. Do they buy anyway? I suspect more than a few do.
I've given them plenty of my own money to directly purchase things I wanted. Lots of people have. Is it enough for ZOS? I guess not since they're grasping for more, but I'm sure not playing this silly game where they want me to gamble an undetermined amount to get every single item in the crates before I can have the items I want. That's not the game I came here to play. Ymmv, though.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said people are cheap or poor. I said they don't see the value in it.
There are people in this world who will never see the value in art. If it doesn't "do something" what is the use? -- this attitude is what drive people to pay for the game (it Does something) but not pay for more features (there's no function it doesn't Do anything/it's just pretty colors)
If you see the value in the art they've made, then we don't have an argument. If you think even your 5 year old niece could do it ("oh Zos isn't it so easy to *just* implement this or *just* add that or *just* defend against hackers") then no amount of arguing is going to convince you.
If you think it takes very little effort to do, you dont value it enough to pay for it. Plain, simple.
That's not value that's stupidity plain and simple!!
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There are people in this world who will never see the value in art. If it doesn't "do something" what is the use? -- this attitude is what drive people to pay for the game (it Does something) but not pay for more features (there's no function it doesn't Do anything/it's just pretty colors)
If you see the value in the art they've made, then we don't have an argument. If you think even your 5 year old niece could do it ("oh Zos isn't it so easy to *just* implement this or *just* add that or *just* defend against hackers") then no amount of arguing is going to convince you.
If you think it takes very little effort to do, you dont value it enough to pay for it. Plain, simple.
I think there are people out there that see the value in the art, but realize that Crown Crates are only showing appreciation for the frame. People like me are concerned that, eventually, all ZOS will be interested in doing is making a prettier frame.
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What the...? It's the same argument, even if you don't say cheap that's what you mean by context.People are funny. These players say "why do you put the cool stuff in gambling crates, if you sell it outright I'd pay for it"
So Zos selsl mounts outright. The same players say "why did you make this mount so expensive, it should be cheaper"
These are usually the same people that won't pay 99 cents for an app as if they could have created it themselves. The same people who don't want to pay for logos and art bc they have a nephew they can guilt into making it for them for free. These people don't see the value and never will. A sparkly digital horse doesn't affect your life at all in practical terms and yet... it feels nice. Why? The human brain is weird. They are only "against" crates because they want what's inside. If you don't want what's inside you'd have the attitude of @MLGProPlayer.
What you don't know is: Zos knows you were never going to give them extra money no matter what they did (crates or outright) they aren't here for you. Zos is here for the people who are going to give them money anyway because those people are already happy and satisfied with the product As Is and don't mind paying extra for sprinkles.
I'm here for the ice cream , I paid for the ice cream , I joined the membership for the ice cream club and heck yeah put some sprinkles on that ice cream , I know it costs extra.**
**(this is an example I'm actually lactose intolerant lol)
Oh look, another tired old "you must be cheap and/or poor and/or don't support the game if you don't embrace crown crates" argument.
Sure there are some people who will complain about the price of anything, when that price is known. Do they buy anyway? I suspect more than a few do.
I've given them plenty of my own money to directly purchase things I wanted. Lots of people have. Is it enough for ZOS? I guess not since they're grasping for more, but I'm sure not playing this silly game where they want me to gamble an undetermined amount to get every single item in the crates before I can have the items I want. That's not the game I came here to play. Ymmv, though.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said people are cheap or poor. I said they don't see the value in it.
There are people in this world who will never see the value in art. If it doesn't "do something" what is the use? -- this attitude is what drive people to pay for the game (it Does something) but not pay for more features (there's no function it doesn't Do anything/it's just pretty colors)
If you see the value in the art they've made, then we don't have an argument. If you think even your 5 year old niece could do it ("oh Zos isn't it so easy to *just* implement this or *just* add that or *just* defend against hackers") then no amount of arguing is going to convince you.
If you think it takes very little effort to do, you dont value it enough to pay for it. Plain, simple.
Why are you trying to deflect your crap argument by discussing the value of art? I would love to just buy some of the items that were created for the crown crates but I'm not allowed to. A vague argument about the value of art does not justify gambling for a chance to win them.
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This, i bought the tree climber outfit from shop just for an meeting at the house at the seaI would rather (and have on plenty of occasions) buy stuff straight from the cash shop and know what I'm getting. I will not buy crown crates. I don't gamble. I will buy more things straight off the cash shop when nice items are available that I can see and know what I'm getting. Until then, they can stuff the crown crate system.
Limit for crates is way higher.
Had the crates only cost 100-150 crowns I would use them more as they would be inside the price barrier.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What are we playing fallacy football here?
I see shiny pixels. I put a value in my head of $1-$15 dollars for those shiny pixels. It tuns out the pixels are $40. I don't spend the money because I don't value those pixels at $40.
How difficult is that to understand?
I saw pixels. I wanted the pixels very badly because it took me 8 months to mod a game to let me ride a deer and it still comes out wonky. Zos: Here is a set of pixels that satisfies my brain tingles. I put a value of $60 on those pixels, because I know what I would have paid for those pixels to have been in the previous fantasy scenario I was in. The pixels are $40. I purchase.
I see pixels. The least appealing pixel is still with $5 to me, the most appealing pixel is worth $50. I spend $50 on crown crates hoping to get the pixels I want but fully aware that I might not. I take responsibility for my actions.
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Nyx2✭✭✭✭What are we playing fallacy football here?
I see shiny pixels. I put a value in my head of $1-$15 dollars for those shiny pixels. It tuns out the pixels are $40. I don't spend the money because I don't value those pixels at $40.
What logically follows is that you don't support crown crates and ZoS in respose has to go back to direct purchases or vastly improve the value of crates so that we can get what we want with gems. But a few groups seem to think they as costumers have no rights and must accept anything ZoS comes up with. The biggest of these groups are people who don't even use the crown store but still feel the need to argue in favor of them. Because as long as it doesn't affect them they're happy if other people pay for the continuation of this game.
If your argument just boils down to "you don't have to buy it" then why accept methods like this in the first place? Other than being rich and wanting to show off I don't know why anyone would shoot themselves in the foot like that.0 -
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✭notimetocare wrote: »This is all on pts and You can test the rng. They let you try it. The cost of the items gives insight into rarity.
Lets be factual here. You can test the PTS drop rates but by no means can you guarantee they will carry over to the LIVE server, so the only true test is to buy them LIVE, or base your decision off someones spreadsheet figures. Why doesnt Z0$ post the drop rates you ask?, why indeed.
Every time i come to these forums now, i see 1 or 2 posters who say the dumbest things in support of Z0$, most likely employees or the now endorsed streamers who now get bankrolled to promote ESO instead of giving a realistic view. Not even a different angle of opinion, its some simple shite like:This isn't even as bad as another game I play -- basically, imagine the same system, but the rng is 3x worse.
Enlighten me what is the RNG here?. What is this x3 figure you broadly state as fact? More and more dirt posts like this to try and dull or sway what is obviously a greedy move by a company.
Another simplistic comment:notimetocare wrote: »It is the people who do not buy them in the minority.
This comment is presented as a factual statement. Where are these figures?. Please link so we can see the facts and not some time wasting random post that holds no weight.
Edited by KingMagaw on March 8, 2017 5:27PM0 -
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✭✭notimetocare wrote: »This is all on pts and You can test the rng. They let you try it. The cost of the items gives insight into rarity.
Lets be factual here. You can test the PTS drop rates but by no means can you guarantee they will carry over to the LIVE server, so the only true test is to buy them LIVE, or base your decision off someones spreadsheet figures. Why doesnt Z0$ post the drop rates you ask?, why indeed.
Every time i come to these forums now, i see 1 or 2 posters who say the dumbest things in support of Z0$, most likely employees or the now endorsed streamers who now get bankrolled to promote ESO instead of giving a realistic view. Not even a different angle of opinion, its some simple shite like:This isn't even as bad as another game I play -- basically, imagine the same system, but the rng is 3x worse.
Enlighten me what is the RNG here?. What is this x3 figure you broadly state as fact? More and more dirt posts like this to try and dull or sway what is obviously a greedy move by a company.
Another simplistic comment:notimetocare wrote: »It is the people who do not buy them in the minority.
This comment is presented as a factual statement. Where are these figures?. Please link so we can see the facts and not some time wasting random post that holds no weight.
Not stating the odds of getting the mounts alone makes it a scam!! people need to know what chance they have to get the mout at least
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✭✭✭✭✭What are we playing fallacy football here?
I see shiny pixels. I put a value in my head of $1-$15 dollars for those shiny pixels. It tuns out the pixels are $40. I don't spend the money because I don't value those pixels at $40.
What logically follows is that you don't support crown crates and ZoS in respose has to go back to direct purchases or vastly improve the value of crates so that we can get what we want with gems.
What logically follows?
H'okay so we ARE playing fallacy football.
You don't know what will follow if I don't support crown crates.
The fact is: the majority of players don't use the forums.
You are yelling into the wind.
If you *could* somehow convince the rest of the game's population to not support crown crates, you still don't know what Zos' response will be because not only can't you predict the future, you aren't making decisions for Zos.
You make this argument as if Zos always does what is logical, as if they follow economics 101. I think we can both agree they make decisions that are baffling (dream vacation, Super Bowl ad) so I have to dismiss this logical fallacy that if we all do x, Zos will definitely respond with y.
What we know as facts is what exists right now.
I appreciate you didn't use an appeal to emotion or curse words though. I hope you don't read this with an angry or combative tone.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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