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Are Guards actually defeatable?
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Usually a Guard's healthbar is a solid tannish gray, but for a split second though you can see a typical health bar appear right before its covered over.
Guards have 10.2 Million hp. So does that mean Guards are actually defeatable, but it would just take so long that we assume they cant, or does our attacks really do nothing and that number is just there for no reason.
Edited by ZOS_Icy on December 11, 2022 4:35PM Guards have 10.2 Million hp. So does that mean Guards are actually defeatable, but it would just take so long that we assume they cant, or does our attacks really do nothing and that number is just there for no reason.
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭You can't kill guards. Many have tried.
They also have a timed one-shot mechanic, "Crowd Control," that goes off if you are unable to get away in time.Why be normal when you can be better?
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Madamova✭✭✭I don't think they are possible to defeat, but I guess even if they were, with 10.2 mil HP you wouldn't stand a chance anyway.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭With that much health i dont see the point in making them invincible, each Guard would be like a Trial Boss.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭Why don't we, the entire playerbase, gather in Daggerfall and try to kill a guard. If we work together we may be able to do it.
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✭✭✭In 2016 at one of the panels or eso live streams the devs said folks had managed to kill a guard now with the upticks in damage and numbers. they said they are actually killable but it was only recently that the amount of damage reached the point where it could happen.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Why don't we, the entire playerbase, gather in Daggerfall and try to kill a guard. If we work together we may be able to do it.
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I'm in . I'd love to get a guard .0 -
malicia✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Why don't we, the entire playerbase, gather in Daggerfall and try to kill a guard. If we work together we may be able to do it.
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Well, if you succeed in that you might cause another appearance of the uber-guard, the Mythical GameMaster.
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✭✭✭✭✭When the justice system was on the PTS khajiit she took this short film - so many moons ago now yes.
Everyone they did try to kill the guards. Very much so.
However the guards they all went home safely at the end of the day whilst stepping over the remains of many poorly skilled thieves on their way.
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✭✭✭I will watch that video when I come home. My work streaming is to slow.
What is annoying I can easily evade a guard. Even from within a small house. They never catch or kill me.
However, if I toy with them eventually they will just one-shot you no matter how much health you have and whether you are cloaked.
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✭Knootewoot wrote: »Why don't we, the entire playerbase, gather in Daggerfall and try to kill a guard. If we work together we may be able to do it.
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Well, if you succeed in that you might cause another appearance of the uber-guard, the Mythical GameMaster.
I heard if you perform the black sacrament using the defeated guard, you can summon a gamemaster.2 -
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Sounds like something to plan, then.In 2016 at one of the panels or eso live streams the devs said folks had managed to kill a guard now with the upticks in damage and numbers. they said they are actually killable but it was only recently that the amount of damage reached the point where it could happen.
10.2m / 12 people = 850k / 30k dps = 28.3 seconds of sustained pounding. So have a couple Templars off to the side dropping stam shards and hots and orbs.
Factor in time spent hitting synergy or people needing to heavy attack or maneuver, pull it off in something like 35 seconds.
Anyone know what the timing is on those one-shot blasts the guards throw out?
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✭✭The savior of Nirn who defeated molag bal along with many other formidable foes, can't take out a single random guard attacking him beacuse he accidently stole and apple, makes a lot of sense
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Good question, another question if you can use negate against it?
Sounds like something to plan, then.In 2016 at one of the panels or eso live streams the devs said folks had managed to kill a guard now with the upticks in damage and numbers. they said they are actually killable but it was only recently that the amount of damage reached the point where it could happen.
10.2m / 12 people = 850k / 30k dps = 28.3 seconds of sustained pounding. So have a couple Templars off to the side dropping stam shards and hots and orbs.
Factor in time spent hitting synergy or people needing to heavy attack or maneuver, pull it off in something like 35 seconds.
Anyone know what the timing is on those one-shot blasts the guards throw out?
And it also looks like you can burn past it, probably as guards take so much damage under execute it don't trigger.Grinding just make you go in circles.
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Sounds like something to plan, then.In 2016 at one of the panels or eso live streams the devs said folks had managed to kill a guard now with the upticks in damage and numbers. they said they are actually killable but it was only recently that the amount of damage reached the point where it could happen.
10.2m / 12 people = 850k / 30k dps = 28.3 seconds of sustained pounding. So have a couple Templars off to the side dropping stam shards and hots and orbs.
Factor in time spent hitting synergy or people needing to heavy attack or maneuver, pull it off in something like 35 seconds.
Anyone know what the timing is on those one-shot blasts the guards throw out?
Sounds very doable. Could it really be this simple? I guess the required dps is dependent on that one shot mechanic.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Why don't we, the entire playerbase, gather in Daggerfall and try to kill a guard. If we work together we may be able to do it.
PROJECT X in DAGGERFALL
Well, if you succeed in that you might cause another appearance of the uber-guard, the Mythical GameMaster.
Actually, the "uberguard" would be Officer Lag and you would die simply due to being disconnected by the lag.
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Crocodiles can't swim in ESO,TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »You can actually kill them by drowning them, turns out NPCs can't swim.
Never thought abut drowning something, guess it only work if you drop the from an dock or something.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »You can actually kill them by drowning them, turns out NPCs can't swim.
How do you get them in the water, though? Water is a well-known thief escape tactic for a reason: the guards don/t follow you in.Living vicariously through my characters.
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My guess is abilities who do puchback.BlackSparrow wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »You can actually kill them by drowning them, turns out NPCs can't swim.
How do you get them in the water, though? Water is a well-known thief escape tactic for a reason: the guards don/t follow you in.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭I've tried standing and fight a couple times with a group of 6 or more, and no, we didn't win. Ha ha. Yes, you can see their hp within a split second (with that 10 millions hp), but there is a reason why guards' health bars are grayed out (or yellowish mustard color.. I don't know), right.. because they are invulnerable. Whenever a target's healthbar is grayed out, then they can't be damaged. At least, this is what I understand. Take Dranos (in CoS), for example. When his healthbar goes gray, then he cannot get damaged until you kill all three of his adds in order to make Dranos vulnerable again. Also, just like that Slaver Argonian beast dude boss in RoM where he spits out that green goo, and his health bar also grays out until you pick up that goo and dance your way or skip/hop to the other side where the geyser is at to wash off. So, a guard, with that grayed out healthbar, should not be able to receive damage. However, outdoors, it is not hard to slip away from them when they are attacking you.0 -
Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »When the justice system was on the PTS khajiit she took this short film - so many moons ago now yes.
Everyone they did try to kill the guards. Very much so.
However the guards they all went home safely at the end of the day whilst stepping over the remains of many poorly skilled thieves on their way.
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I agree.
I have killed guards a few times - when they susspected I had stolen items on me, or if they thought I had killed someone. As if I would! I was always on legitimate business.
Despite getting the better of them, I always ended up dead on the ground. I can never get to a 'flee' or invisibilty potion in time for a quick get-away.
I do not know if using an invisibility actally works - never got that far. :'(
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ZOS_IcymodGreetings,
We have closed this topic as it was originally created in March 2017. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.
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