I wish there was PVP in all the zones

uzbachchi · March 2017

Not everyone likes or can handle PvP (anxiety, PTSD, other reasons). People who want to do PvP can go to a place where they can, and people that don't want to do PvP don't have to. Putting it in the rest of the map would be a turn off. I personally would stop playing the game. If I wanted PvP I'd still be playing GTAO in public lobbies or be playing COD or something. I'm not for a reason. PvP is not fun for everyone.

White wabbit · March 2017

Please Zos no just don't listen to this

AlwaysOnFire · March 2017

The targets that OP seeks seek would likely diminish or vanish because people who are not prepared to fight other players would disappear from the game and OP would find themselves facing opponents that will have chosen to play a game where they must be hypercompetitive to proceed at all. Whenever we propose a game mechanic that is zero-sum in this way, we must consider ourselves a perpetual loser before we consider ourselves even a circumstantial winner because the meta of the game will change not to favor our ambitions or imagination but to favor the most advantaged, skilled, and competitive people. Which 99 percent of players are not.

If this is not an experience that one can imagine people paying for, that's our answer-- the objective of a corporation is to develop a game with incremental rewards that encourage players to keep playing it, and hopefully buy currency or subscriptions to the game. Removing those rewards by giving one subdemographic of players the ability to indefinitely impede gameplay for others is a business, design, and overall conceptual failure.

There are other MMOs that have successful all-pvp modes, and ESO already has a dedicated pvp zone with more esport-oriented pvp modes on the way. Allowing players, rather than the whims of inevitable griefers (of which, most of us probably will not tier with), to choose what game experience they have is vital to a successful game design. If a person wishes to be subjected to the risk of ambush in cyrodiil, that is their choice. What the proposal suggests is that just choosing to play the game should be an implicit agreement to get attacked by OP-- and if there remains a choice between all-pvp servers and the servers as they are now, all-pvp servers will likely fill with people who are prepared to repel and extract value from OP in return.

FluffyReachWitch · March 2017

As much as I'd love to see a Dominion invasion of Wayrest, total PvP everywhere sounds like it would only be fun for maxed out, geared up players who want to hunt other players or can survive being ambushed. As for looting, I can't think of a better way to encourage unsporting ambushes and zerg rushes than allowing people to kill each other for dolmen jewelry and boss gear. The game would become unplayable and frustrating. And it would defeat the purpose of the non-Cyrodiil zones, which are supposed to be safe and story-focused and more along the lines of traditional TES adventuring.

jaye63 · March 2017

I didnt join this game for PvP. Im not opposed to it, but this is the 6th game in a series. Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim are not PvP. I own the Diablo series, Myst, Age of Empires, Zelda, GTA, ... ALL of them. When I like a game, I buy the series and keep it complete. Even if the reviews are bad. I want the continuation. If I want a PvP series, I buy a PvP series. This is not a PvP series. Go play Ghost, CoD, or any number of PvP games. I like challenge PvP where if I dont want to because Im busy playing the other aspects of the game. I like that all pvp all the time of Cyr... when Im in the mood. Like when the ol lady trolls me or some guy in the complex wont pick up after his pet, or when the guy in traffic is doing 25 in the fast lane of a 40mph zone... Then I go into Cyr and take out my frustrations in a good battle. But for the most part, I prefer to enjoy the rest of the game. And there is a lot to enjoy. And if you dont enjoy the rest of the game, no one is forcing you to. Live in Cyrodil. Request barracks housing so you never have to leave Cyr. Spend all of your time hunting people down. And make 3 characters, one of each faction, so that if you get bored with one, you have 2 others to haunt.

So to make that whole thing shorter... No.

I_killed_Vivec · March 2017

When I see people saying they want all the world to be PvP it makes me think that either they want to play a different game. Or (more likely) they want to feast on unsuspecting questers who have no interest in PvP.

I say that the second is more likely because if they want PvP then they can go to Cyrodiil and IC and have all the PvP they want - with people who are there for the same purpose. But those would be people ready to PvP, geared up to PvP and running builds for PvP. Too hard?

Why would anyone want to push non PvP players out of the game? We all know that 95% of the players that pay to keep ESO alive would just go if PvP were to be extended to the whole world.

Actually there's a third option... what these people are saying is "I'm a tough guy", cos they worry that if they don't keep saying it then it might not be true.

willlienellson · March 2017

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

Except there IS in fact PvP in all zones.

Go to Bruma, Cropsford, Vlasterus and run dozens of daily quests.
Go into the Cyrodiil delves as kill bosses for loot and achievements.
Go into Imperial City and do all the quests and even a main quest.

So, really, thanks for making OP's point for him. Now it's time to spread at least a little PvP into the rest of the zones in the same fashion.

Betheny · March 2017

willlienellson wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

Now it's time to spread at least a little PvP into the rest of the zones in the same fashion.

There already IS PVP in all the zones = duels.

NBrookus · March 2017

WhiteMage wrote: »

If you want open-world PvP, CU is your game. Unfortunately, it's not coming out this year.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

I've been keeping an eye on CU but haven't seen much progress on it really.

Mark recently confirmed CU for beta "this year." Beta 1 or 2 it's hard to say; they've been pretty liberal about letting Beta 1 users into the Alpha tests so I'd guess Beta 2 backers will be getting a look soon.

Betheny · March 2017

Betheny wrote: »

willlienellson wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

Now it's time to spread at least a little PvP into the rest of the zones in the same fashion.

There already IS PVP in all the zones = duels.

/end thread

I_killed_Vivec · March 2017

willlienellson wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

Except there IS in fact PvP in all zones.

Go to Bruma, Cropsford, Vlasterus and run dozens of daily quests.
Go into the Cyrodiil delves as kill bosses for loot and achievements.
Go into Imperial City and do all the quests and even a main quest.

So, really, thanks for making OP's point for him. Now it's time to spread at least a little PvP into the rest of the zones in the same fashion.

Those quests are only there to bring fresh meat into Cyrodiil - like the skyshards and Vigor. And maybe some stuff in IC, but not so much anymore. And they are still PvP because you know there will be gankers waiting for you when you hand in a quest.

What the "I want PvP everywhere" advocates have to be remember is that most people aren't interested in PvP and many never ever enter Cyrodiil.

Then they have to ask themselves why they want PvP everywhere - presumably it's so they can force the people who don't want to go into Cyrodiil to PvP. What other reason is there?

And if you want an opt in/out for PvP in the whole world then does that include Cyrodiil and IC?

It would be quite relaxing to opt-out of PvP and spend an afternoon exploring IC

Leogon · March 2017

Baranthus wrote: »

Chair wrote: »

Even as a pvper i find this kind of stupid

You're a chair. What you now bout PvP

As a chair, he gets teabagged every time a dude sits on him so I'd say he knows more about PvP than you think.

Bouldercleave · March 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

I wish there was PVP in all the zones... such that:
when you quest away from your home city, you are paranoid that any moment could be your last

you need to put everything in the bank because if you are killed all your items could be looted

when you get a quest that is far away you actually need to consider if it is worth the risk to do it alone or wait for a buddy

That death is very punishing and you are scared out of your mind if you are outnumbered

who ever kills you will have equally scary repercussions with the justice system

a thief can sneak into your house and steal your crap. because you stored some things in your house

City like Davon's Watch can be raided by the opposing faction if every one can collaborate together, and if the king(who ever is the boss) is killed rewards will be awesome

you can get real time contracts to hunt down player criminal scum

all the gear is simple, and provides nothing but damage mitigation with out any 2 3 4 5 x bonuses.

and much more

I know this will never happen, but man.... I would love the game 100 times more. until I am ganked over and over and rage quit, and come back because I like torturing myself.

Every game with this model over the history of MMOs has eventually turned into a gankfest and failed.

dreddurius · March 2017

Google "Tantra MMO". A guild can actually camp opposing faction's city. No one can get in, no one can get out. You can't do quests.. Cyro's a nursery compared to that.

You die, you LOSE XP. You can actually die so many times you can literally do a Benjamin Button.

Devs had to mediate and rethink the whole game. Game failed.

OP: You're a special kind of weird.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

"I wish there was PVP in all the zones "

LoL.. imagine you do your normal business in Mournhold, Wayrest, Rawl'kha or any other city and then suddenly ping rises to 999, fps drops to like 1 - 3 and a big zerg comes through the town... leaving no one alive...

Appleblade · March 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

willlienellson wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

Now it's time to spread at least a little PvP into the rest of the zones in the same fashion.

There already IS PVP in all the zones = duels.

/end thread

Why, because someone is not seeing the difference between voluntary and involuntary PvP?

Betheny · March 2017

Appleblade wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

willlienellson wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

Now it's time to spread at least a little PvP into the rest of the zones in the same fashion.

There already IS PVP in all the zones = duels.

/end thread

Why, because someone is not seeing the difference between voluntary and involuntary PvP?

*whoosh*

/facepalm

Catnight · March 2017

In my opinion, PvP needs to be and needs to stay regulated as long the game is not build around it of the most part.
From my experience with some Asia MMOs:
In a game build completely around PvP is more fun even for someone who prefers PvE because 1. classes are mostly balanced. (And its easier to keep them balanced) 2. quests are not a great thing and have a thin story if any, so you are not going to do more here than necessary. 3. You find bigger PvE mostly in Dungeons. And maybe you have stages where the boss calls other players to help him, which is turning PvE in a PvPvE. In these cases, its completely fine and well integrated.
4. Flagging System. There was once one where a player could place a bounty on the head of a ganker, which was then hunted down by players who decided to be policeofficer-by-system. (They could not had a bounty theereselves without being thrown out of that job) Great indeed. Gangking was not a big problem there because there were always rightful people who fight against them. Some classes (or shools in this case) was forbidden to kill people. If they did it, they could not go into this shool-savezones without being punished by a regret-time which could be some hours, in which they needed to stay online.

You see for a game being open-world-pvp, it has to be carefully designed around this aspect. Throwing it right into a game which was supposed to be instanced PvP will likely kill it.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

Wow has it with a opt in system like most other games with it . It doesn't effect PVE players unless they opt in , or you believe that South Park episode . Problem would be with open world is Tamriel is huge . You can't find a fight in most of the areas of Cyrodiil because the maps bigger then the objectives . There would need to objectives on the world map to focus those players into a fight .

As much As I enjoy my peaceful PVE time , it would not bother me as long as it was optional . It doesn't bother me in other MMOS and it wouldn't here if I have a choice to not participate .

White wabbit · March 2017

Why won't this idea just die

alek_kb16_ESO2 · March 2017

Yes, I would absolutely love option for open world pvp outside of Cyrodiil. Been my dream. SWTOR sorted it out so every server has PvE and PvP distances to switch between. Perhaps a system could be made to put people in instances with pve people and those who prefer could be in pvp ones.

Korinth · March 2017

Nope... One of the main reasons I left SWTOR was Open PvP (and my guild didn't want to play on a PvE only server). Other reason was the constant nerf battle..... ZoS.....

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

Korinth wrote: »

Nope... One of the main reasons I left SWTOR was Open PvP (and my guild didn't want to play on a PvE only server). Other reason was the constant nerf battle..... ZoS.....

I'm not sure why you left then because even on the PVP servers for swtor it was opt in optional . The only place on the PVP servers and PVE servers where it is not optional is inside warzones .

The nerf battles go on in every game , especially this one .

captainwolfos · March 2017

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the day this ever happens will be the day I leave.

SydneyGrey · March 2017

No. If that happened, I would stop playing ESO completely. Seriously, that would be my last day playing, and I'd find some other fantasy-based MMO.

Annalyse wrote: »

If they ever wanted to do something like that they'd have to just make a separate PvP server.

That might work, so long as that server was clearly labeled so that newbies would know it was 100% PvP without having to look it up on the internet.

ThePaleItalian · March 2017

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd love it if there was PvE in all zones, but that's not happening either.

@starlizard70ub17_ESO

People are not really getting this comment right now lol.

Aimora · March 2017

No thank you

phairdon · March 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

Castagere wrote: »

OMG so freaky stupid. Talk about watching the games player base shrink to nothing but players like the op killing each other all day. Thank god not all dev's listen to stupid crap like this.

Must be your first MMO. A combination of these things have existed in very fun and successful MMOs throughout the years.

The risk is sometimes what makes it more fun.

This game is my second MMO. The other one I play does not have open world pvp either.

rustic_potato · March 2017

EVE Online and BDO are what i would suggest for you.. ESO is too casual for that..

sirston · March 2017

All these PVE'S forget they have skyrim....I vote for PVP in all Zones!