The lack of actual skill of some people never fails to amuse me
daedalusAI
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I sit on about 2 million exp worth of enlightenment and I though to consume some of that by doing a random normal dungeon on my templar healer.
Wayrest II it is. I get a lvl 46 tank Sorc who is doing quite good, a lvl 48 DK who only uses breath fire and searing strikes with light attack spam as far as I could tell and a 146cp magicka NB who's only spamming drain power.
Just for reference: on the 1st boss I did my usual rotation of reflective light, elemental blockade, ritual of retribution, purifying light and a few healing spells here and there and I already got up to 30% of group damage according to combat metrics in about 10sec.
Once I saw that I refused refused to heal - if I as a healer do this much of my groups damage in mere 10sec there is something major going wrong.
I told my previous observations to those 2 players and while the NB was completely silent the DK was like "You're like the first flamer I've ever seen in ESO" and "pathetc kiddo" and proceeded to report me.
You already are limited to only 12 skills and you proceed to only use 2 at best - and you get angry when people point that out?
Guess your normal quests don't require you to actually learn how to play - light attack spamming might even be all you need combined with some sort of healing.
Wayrest II it is. I get a lvl 46 tank Sorc who is doing quite good, a lvl 48 DK who only uses breath fire and searing strikes with light attack spam as far as I could tell and a 146cp magicka NB who's only spamming drain power.
Just for reference: on the 1st boss I did my usual rotation of reflective light, elemental blockade, ritual of retribution, purifying light and a few healing spells here and there and I already got up to 30% of group damage according to combat metrics in about 10sec.
Once I saw that I refused refused to heal - if I as a healer do this much of my groups damage in mere 10sec there is something major going wrong.
I told my previous observations to those 2 players and while the NB was completely silent the DK was like "You're like the first flamer I've ever seen in ESO" and "pathetc kiddo" and proceeded to report me.
You already are limited to only 12 skills and you proceed to only use 2 at best - and you get angry when people point that out?
Guess your normal quests don't require you to actually learn how to play - light attack spamming might even be all you need combined with some sort of healing.
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AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭There should be an option to only que for X champion points minimum with group finder. The wait might be longer but sometimes worth it. I hate getting to the last boss and not be able to complete because people suck.6
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ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
PS4 Screen Name: The_Pale_Italian
ZweiHandler - Orc DK Tank
Solstice StormHaven - Magika Sorc
Oba Nobanaga - Stam NB105 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The lack of actual modesty of some people never fails to amuse me
If they didn't want to improve whilst you were offering constructive advice in a non-arrogant way sure, their problem just move on and don't play with them again if you can avoid it.
If you're telling them they suck and how to play the game, it could cause the kind of response you saw (though it shouldn't have been extreme).
Either way ignoring their childish response you stopped healing and decided to play the "I know more about the game thus I am better than these people" card then came to the forums to complain people are not good enough at the game to meet your expectations.
As I always say to people who complain about the groups from group finder, if you want a perfect group to meet you expectations then form one or join a guild of like minded players. If you want to help players improve try to help them by all means, but accept some people are not interested.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."45 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AFrostWolf wrote: »There should be an option to only que for X champion points minimum with group finder. The wait might be longer but sometimes worth it. I hate getting to the last boss and not be able to complete because people suck.
There is an option for this, it's called zone chat or a guild.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."14 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.3 -
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✭✭AFrostWolf wrote: »There should be an option to only que for X champion points minimum with group finder. The wait might be longer but sometimes worth it. I hate getting to the last boss and not be able to complete because people suck.
A lot of champion points don't mean anything. You can light attack all the way to CP600. You can wear heavy armor and wield a bow all the way to CP1000 if you wanted.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
They most likely should, but that doesn't mean they're aware of the game mechanics. I was playing for over a year before I fully grasped every mechanic in this game as the game itself teaches you nothing.
All the information on how to be good at this game is purely from players and if you're the kind of relaxed casual player who just wants to play an online Elder Scrolls game you may not be investing time into looking up those mechanics.
They may not actually realise that they're not performing well enough to clear group content because again, the game doesn't tell you what you need to do that, it in fact (via zone questing) teaches you that you can be unoptimised and still kill anything in the game.
As I said in my first post it's fine to want to help players improve and if you did attempt that in a kind and respectful way but the player brushed you off with abuse and ignorance then that's their choice to remain ignorant.
However coming to the forums and making threads about how less skilled players amuses you just makes you come off as arrogant and elitist. You may be neither of those and actually a really chill person who helps a lot of players, but this post isn't saying that to anyone.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."24 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭The lack of actual modesty of some people never fails to amuse me
If they didn't want to improve whilst you were offering constructive advice in a non-arrogant way sure, their problem just move on and don't play with them again if you can avoid it.
If you're telling them they suck and how to play the game, it could cause the kind of response you saw (though it shouldn't have been extreme).
Either way ignoring their childish response you stopped healing and decided to play the "I know more about the game thus I am better than these people" card then came to the forums to complain people are not good enough at the game to meet your expectations.
As I always say to people who complain about the groups from group finder, if you want a perfect group to meet you expectations then form one or join a guild of like minded players. If you want to help players improve try to help them by all means, but accept some people are not interested.
That card if played there is the usual card I will always play in grouping activities in games: I refuse to drag deadweight through content. If you're new you shouldn't even go near such activities - and if you still do and I notice you don't even know basics I play my card.
No one is talking about that black/white thinking and perfect groups - I only want people to actually use their brains while playing. You can't tell me that having 12 slots for abilities and you only use 2 of them is considered "doing fine".
Oh I do know most people aren't interested in either hearing the actual facts or their plays or your feedback to help them improve.
I reckon it's cognitive dissonance.0 -
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✭daedalusAI wrote: »The lack of actual modesty of some people never fails to amuse me
If they didn't want to improve whilst you were offering constructive advice in a non-arrogant way sure, their problem just move on and don't play with them again if you can avoid it.
If you're telling them they suck and how to play the game, it could cause the kind of response you saw (though it shouldn't have been extreme).
Either way ignoring their childish response you stopped healing and decided to play the "I know more about the game thus I am better than these people" card then came to the forums to complain people are not good enough at the game to meet your expectations.
As I always say to people who complain about the groups from group finder, if you want a perfect group to meet you expectations then form one or join a guild of like minded players. If you want to help players improve try to help them by all means, but accept some people are not interested.
Oh I do know most people aren't interested in either hearing the actual facts or their plays or your feedback to help them improve.
I reckon it's cognitive dissonance.
No, it's not wanting to be lectured by toolbag know-it-alls when they're just trying to have casual fun. There is constructive criticism and then there is you. People don't like to play with players like you.38 -
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✭daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
I did take that into consideration, I understand what you mean.
The issue I have and you obviously missed... why do you feel the need to share it? Your title makes you come right out like a pompous A$$. Then your thread just confirmed my thought on you.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
PS4 Screen Name: The_Pale_Italian
ZweiHandler - Orc DK Tank
Solstice StormHaven - Magika Sorc
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Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
Well, well, look at you! Your policy. If they want to join a trial group because someone is asking in zone who are you to tell them they cannot.
One question to you, did you bother ask if they were new or knew what they were doing before out right refusing to heal? You conveniently do not mention exactly what you said to get the response they gave you. All that is fine, but coming to the forum and whine about the lack of skill of lower level players while trying to "consume some of that enlightenment" is what makes you that special kind of person.14 -
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✭If it's normal or an easy vet I just carry, and throw some knowledge try to get them in TS and then in guild if I can, and quickly teach them, just like I was when I got in guild lol, good recruitment tool honestly.
If it's a harder vet dungeon depending I will carry but only if they get in TS so I can explain the mechanics so they know what to do. But if it's the dlc dungeons excluding white gold, that's easy, and they are using 2 skills with light attacks. Unless I atleast have 1 friend from guild, I will just hard pass lol.
I do the same as OP, I study up on things before I dip my foot in I like to know what is expected of me. I won't "spoil" mechanics (like with VMA I watched no vids or anything first clear) but I do look up how rotations and skills and all that works. And what DPS is supposed to do and all that jazz, but still looking it up and doing it is different, and I still got helped a good bit early on. And just spread the love man...3 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
They most likely should, but that doesn't mean they're aware of the game mechanics. I was playing for over a year before I fully grasped every mechanic in this game as the game itself teaches you nothing.
All the information on how to be good at this game is purely from players and if you're the kind of relaxed casual player who just wants to play an online Elder Scrolls game you may not be investing time into looking up those mechanics.
They may not actually realise that they're not performing well enough to clear group content because again, the game doesn't tell you what you need to do that, it in fact (via zone questing) teaches you that you can be unoptimised and still kill anything in the game.
As I said in my first post it's fine to want to help players improve and if you did attempt that in a kind and respectful way but the player brushed you off with abuse and ignorance then that's their choice to remain ignorant.
However coming to the forums and making threads about how less skilled players amuses you just makes you come off as arrogant and elitist. You may be neither of those and actually a really chill person who helps a lot of players, but this post isn't saying that to anyone.
By all means if you play casual go for it.
But there is still a certain threshold where your knowledge you acquired by playing casually isn't enough for more challenging content or group activities.
I know that the game teaches you nothing at all: here have that like 10-15min "tutorial" where you learn how to heavy attack and interrupt and that's it.
Being good would include you know about item sets, weaving, which spells function the best together etc. - but that's not even what I except.
I expect the purest basics: "Oh there seems to be a lot of enemy groups in dungeons - better use some sort of aoe damage ability" - that sort of basic.
If you have that I'm doing my best because it's hard not to playing to the best of my abilities.
I still stand by the amusing part of it: amusing that players are going into full defensive and almost road-rage mode when you question how they play.
The other part is that even a lvl 46 already has played for quite a while and even during landscape questing you encounter multiple enemies which should teach you that you need some kind of aoe ability.1 -
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Ever since the Dolmen level zergs came popular, i have seeen this trend in open world as well. Players with full CP pool just spam light attacks, especially bow users do, they very rarely even use an ability. If they use ability, they just spam one ability and leave weapon totally unused.
Besides me, i very rarely see anyone using the full range of their ONE action bar anywhere, not to mention both. Just spam some skill or light attacks.
Im not sure but i suspect this has to do with leveling on Dolmens, even new players have reafd, that Dolmens are fast way to level and since they are just forced to spam something to hit something to gain levels.. Or worse yet, use a macro bot to keep logged in and use some attack to hit something while they watch TV. This naturally leads player not having any clue how to really take advantage of the whole range of abilities.
I suspect that one reason people spam light attacks is also the fact, that weapons do not show different damage on light/med and heavy attacks and thus people tend to assume that heavy and light attacks do the same damage.. I have even seen people assuming weapon attacks being "auto attacks" which ddoes not even exist in ESO.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<1 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »The lack of actual modesty of some people never fails to amuse me
If they didn't want to improve whilst you were offering constructive advice in a non-arrogant way sure, their problem just move on and don't play with them again if you can avoid it.
If you're telling them they suck and how to play the game, it could cause the kind of response you saw (though it shouldn't have been extreme).
Either way ignoring their childish response you stopped healing and decided to play the "I know more about the game thus I am better than these people" card then came to the forums to complain people are not good enough at the game to meet your expectations.
As I always say to people who complain about the groups from group finder, if you want a perfect group to meet you expectations then form one or join a guild of like minded players. If you want to help players improve try to help them by all means, but accept some people are not interested.
Oh I do know most people aren't interested in either hearing the actual facts or their plays or your feedback to help them improve.
I reckon it's cognitive dissonance.
No, it's not wanting to be lectured by toolbag know-it-alls when they're just trying to have casual fun. There is constructive criticism and then there is you. People don't like to play with players like you.
So they are allowed to have casual fun not being able to use proper aoe abilities - but I should still heal them and not question them?
Talk about a certain double standard.1 -
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✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »The lack of actual modesty of some people never fails to amuse me
If they didn't want to improve whilst you were offering constructive advice in a non-arrogant way sure, their problem just move on and don't play with them again if you can avoid it.
If you're telling them they suck and how to play the game, it could cause the kind of response you saw (though it shouldn't have been extreme).
Either way ignoring their childish response you stopped healing and decided to play the "I know more about the game thus I am better than these people" card then came to the forums to complain people are not good enough at the game to meet your expectations.
As I always say to people who complain about the groups from group finder, if you want a perfect group to meet you expectations then form one or join a guild of like minded players. If you want to help players improve try to help them by all means, but accept some people are not interested.
That card if played there is the usual card I will always play in grouping activities in games: I refuse to drag deadweight through content. If you're new you shouldn't even go near such activities - and if you still do and I notice you don't even know basics I play my card.
No one is talking about that black/white thinking and perfect groups - I only want people to actually use their brains while playing. You can't tell me that having 12 slots for abilities and you only use 2 of them is considered "doing fine".
Oh I do know most people aren't interested in either hearing the actual facts or their plays or your feedback to help them improve.
I reckon it's cognitive dissonance.
So you'd rather cry about a bad PUG then just quickly carry some players through a normal dungeon?BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA12 -
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✭daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
To be fair the game doesn't teach you how to play. That tutorial at the beginning, yeah forget about it.
When you have to leave the game to go learn how to play it on 3rd party websites, everyone is in for a bad time like the OP.2 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
Well, well, look at you! Your policy. If they want to join a trial group because someone is asking in zone who are you to tell them they cannot.
One question to you, did you bother ask if they were new or knew what they were doing before out right refusing to heal? You conveniently do not mention exactly what you said to get the response they gave you. All that is fine, but coming to the forum and whine about the lack of skill of lower level players while trying to "consume some of that enlightenment" is what makes you that special kind of person.
I don't tell they cannot - but if I see they are lacking in certain areas I will point my finger at them.
Do you ask people who join you for a football/basketball match if they understand the sport - or do you expect them to know certain basics when they do join in for such activities?
As for my comments to them: Something along the lines of "A DK who only uses 2 abilities and light-attacks and an NB who only uses sap" - just observations.
Are you another one of those who needs savespaces if you label my opinion of something I've just seen in-game as "whining"?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
@ThePaleItalian Since OP would have nothing to gain by pissing that dps off I'd expect the conversation to the dps was polite.
Yes, that dps may have been new however I'd think providing some information to point them in the right direction would be beneficial as long as they had an open mind and desire to move towards improvement. Some don't.1 -
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✭You lost me at this part:daedalusAI wrote: »Once I saw that I refused to heal
As a long-time healer in multiple MMOs, I don't care how bad the group is. Unless the tank is utterly failing at taunting and therefore sending all the bosses your way, there is no excuse for withholding the heals the rest of the team needs to succeed. You're essentially holding their run hostage at that point, just so you can stand on your soapbox about complex rotations.
And you do know that not a lot of players try group content until endgame, right? For exactly this reason: because high CP players are hyper critical about low and no CP players? No matter their levels, these people could very well have been on one of their first dungeon runs, and so were still using solo strategies in group play... which, for some builds, does mean spamming the same one or two buttons.
Next time, teach instead of telling. Say "Hey, guys, I notice your damage output is pretty low. Mind if we pause for a sec while I give you a few pointers?" And if they say no, just finish the run and then go your separate ways. You catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)29 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »daedalusAI wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »I am so glad that you knew everything about the game when you first played and never needed help or advise or ever checked online to help your gameplay out..... please teach us all.
Plus I am sure your observations were so nice an eloguent to help possible new players to the game that might not understand the game play.
But thank you o great one for posting this today!
My policy is to first learn the basics before I join group activity - but I guess that's just me.
If people offer advice I will take it - or do you see any merit when the DK above attacks me personally without actually evaluating what I said?
A lvl 46 DK is hardly a new player if you consider you unlock your 2nd weapon bar at lvl 15.
And if you honestly are a new player opting to play dungeons where you need a basic understanding of the game isn't a logical choice.
Interesting that your post only serves to attack me without even considering if a lvl 46 should know more than to only use 2 abilities out of a maximum of 12.
I did take that into consideration, I understand what you mean.
The issue I have and you obviously missed... why do you feel the need to share it? Your title makes you come right out like a pompous A$$. Then your thread just confirmed my thought on you.
A forum is a place to share opinions.
If you don't agree with my opinion that's totally fine and if you think am an ass that's fine too.
The more interesting question is why are you so against me posting something like this?
Is it that the lack of a proper tutorial is indeed an issue, or that people can queue right at lvl 15 for random dungeons without some sort of test if they even know the basics.1 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Where do you see how much enlightenment you have
Mouse-over your champion level bar.1 -
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Consider communication a set of skills. Now use more than two of those and you might be able to reach players who aren't skilled in the game (for whatever reason) and teach them.
I confess, I'm trying to be clever here.
Depending how you read this you will find it either funny, sarcastic or perhaps condescending. I have to rely on the use of a smiley because you can't see my face or hear the tone of my voice to try and convey how I intend it to come across ...:
Hint - funny.
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett14 -
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@JamieAubrey Hover over the XP bar in the character sheet for PC and it will tell you. Not sure for console.JamieAubrey wrote: »Where do you see how much enlightenment you have
Also going on faith this isn't trolling OP and a serious question, I can never tell with these forums.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
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Consider communication a set of skills. Now use more than two of those and you might be able to reach players who aren't skilled in the game (for whatever reason) and teach them.
I confess, I'm trying to be clever here.
Depending how you read this you will find it either funny, sarcastic or perhaps condescending. I have to rely on the use of a smiley because you can't see my face or hear the tone of my voice to try and convey how I intend it to come across ...:
Hint - funny.
You sir, just won this thread.2 -
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✭✭Blame the PvE zergs. There's no skill required to kill world bosses or dolmens anymore thanks to overland sets coming from them and everyone and their brother farming them. They then take the zerg mindset into the dungeon.3 -
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✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »I sit on about 2 million exp worth of enlightenment and I though to consume some of that by doing a random normal dungeon on my templar healer.
Wayrest II it is. I get a lvl 46 tank Sorc who is doing quite good, a lvl 48 DK who only uses breath fire and searing strikes with light attack spam as far as I could tell and a 146cp magicka NB who's only spamming drain power.
Just for reference: on the 1st boss I did my usual rotation of reflective light, elemental blockade, ritual of retribution, purifying light and a few healing spells here and there and I already got up to 30% of group damage according to combat metrics in about 10sec.
Once I saw that I refused refused to heal - if I as a healer do this much of my groups damage in mere 10sec there is something major going wrong.
I told my previous observations to those 2 players and while the NB was completely silent the DK was like "You're like the first flamer I've ever seen in ESO" and "pathetc kiddo" and proceeded to report me.
You already are limited to only 12 skills and you proceed to only use 2 at best - and you get angry when people point that out?
Guess your normal quests don't require you to actually learn how to play - light attack spamming might even be all you need combined with some sort of healing.
Normal is Practice Mode and Sight-Seeing Mode.
You queued Normal, and now you want to scoff at people who intentionally spend their time in Normal mode for the right reasons...?
I know the term "paint chips" can be confusing for a badass of your caliber, but come on man, try to put 2 and 2 together to get 4 at least this one time.16 -
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Being annoyed and then telling people how to play is going to get varying reactions both good and bad. It also seems to depend on the delivery of the message. Refusing to perform your role in the group because someone else is not performing theirs, may not be the best approach. If they go into 'road rage' mode, why did it happen? Did your approach trigger it?
Additionally, even at level 46 you can't assume with 100% certainty that they have the experience you personally require in a group. You also can't assume they were using this character all the way up. Who knows, they might be sharing an account with someone else in the house and just gave this one a try, or perhaps they haven't played in a while and are just getting back into it.
There are many possibilities in this situation, and even if you must, airing it out in a forum. But you can't assume anything, or expect a certain type of response, both in game or here.Edited by CapnPhoton on March 3, 2017 4:32PMXbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion2
