Share house ownership?

idk · March 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Surgee

So you and I decide to shack up in my Dagerfall Overlook. I grant you share permission since well, your so fabulous and all. Your help decorate "our special home".

The times have been fun and our home is so beautiful. Then you catch me with that sweet young tavern wench and find out I have a tavern wench in every pub across Tamriel. I have a lot to give and seem to have some charm. Sorry.

Your decide to move out of our castle and back to your lovely garden in Wayrest. When you start packing up all the crown store decos you added to the home you discover they aren't going into your inventory because Zos didn't want the responsibility of tracking who out what where.

The times were good while they lasted. Thanks for the furnishings. Oh, cya, I'm late for a visit to the tavern.

They are already tracking millions of items that are bound. I see no problem here.
Please read below, it's easiest solution:

Owner can set another player as co-owner.
Co-owner can place new items, remove items placed by HIMSELF, or move items placed by others (but can't remove them)
Owner can place or remove items belonging to anyone
If co-owner is demoted or removed from the house, all his crown store decors are removed automatically and sent to his mailbox.

Items that are bound are still bound. No one else can trade them, no one else than an owner of them item can have it in his inventory.

Obviously the game tracks bound items as being bound. Your wanting the items to be tracked as to who owns them in a shared environment. It's not as simple as some may think and can still lead the discord between players that Zos would be wise to avoid.

@DeadlyPhoenix

I didn't read your entire reply to my post since it started out stating that house sharing was not against ToS. I have never said it was against ToS, merely certain aspects of house sharing may very well require an amendment to ToS.

As players we often look at the small picture while Zos must look at a much larger scene. Even if they did implement some sort of house sharing it could very well be different that what is being suggested in this thread.

koralr33fer · March 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The items are:
Bound, collected or blank. The blank items you simply give to the owner to place and if you're a decorator, you move em.....no changes are necessary as that exists now. Even simpler, start a guild with your spouse and add others who would also have decorator privileges and drop items in the bank that are "blank". That's works now....no changes are needed and that has built in privaledges through the guild of who can deposit and remove items from thank bank which then only requires the home owner to pull and drop items for decorator access.

What you don't seem to understand tho on the blank items.....the placement of any item is subject to the owner. The owners home is subject to the account and the allowances are subject to the slots which can change if you have eso plus.

It all still is connect to the account and that drives everything.

If in your suggested idea you caveat things, and ZOS makes sweeping changes then it's possible but that then blocks other features and becomes impossible.....in the way it works which almost everyone likes other than those who won't use the options available which are pretty nice.

Your ideas require things or caveats Such as:
-If the home were purchased in gold only
-if all items were crafted and no crown store items were allowed
-if no eso plus were in play
-if no home was account owner but set to some group like the guild not a player cause the player is still account driven
-no crown pets, mounts or assistants
-no bound or collected items from account achievements

Edit:
But who wants that....it's very limiting and restrictive. As is....one persons account who has the most benefits, unlocks and features should own the home and everyone else, use maybe a guild along with decorator and that co-ownership model exists now and it's not flawed. The only limit is the owners account limits.....but that is going to be in play with your ideas.

I know blank items are not an issue, just an inconvenience to trade each time you want to place but it works. But visitor doesnt have ability to place mounts or pets and other items bound to character. Also they cannot use crowns to purchase items to be placed in a "shared" home.

- I dont see how the house is purchased is relevant it is still owned either way. Shouldnt be an issue
- I didnt mention crafted items because ZOS may choose not to return those items again as they can be recrafted or purchased with game currency. People would be more concerned about losing items they paid real money for.
- If no eso plus in play then you just have the limited number of spaces same as it is now
- Theres lots of possible ways to set up this this system and have it work. I dont have access to the code so I cannot tell you the best way to implement the system, doesnt mean its not do able.
- Crown Pets, Mounts and assistants may be placed, they do not disappear from inventory they are more of a prop so you wouldnt need to worry about where these go
- Maybe only owner could place achievement items

I didnt address all these items because there are a lot of possibilities here and its best to leave options to ZOS so it may be easier for them to implement this system one way or another. We are just putting suggestions out here it seems you wont be satisfied with any answer unless we write the code for you and show exactly how to do this. This is in ZOS control not mine. I'm not paid to do this, they are. And in my post i described how they would reap benefits from doing this. It's not my job to lay out all the details, I'm just suggesting ways how this is very possible. You can nit pick the details all day but it would end up being in ZOS hands. I'm not gonna tell them how to do their job and lay out the whole format and code. But with the ideas we have suggested you can see how this is possible, I can't and wont tell you exactly all the details as I'm not a developer for the company but the potential is there to make this happen. So unless you have positive solutions to contribute I feel like you arent helping much with this idea or post.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

koralr33fer wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The items are:
Bound, collected or blank. The blank items you simply give to the owner to place and if you're a decorator, you move em.....no changes are necessary as that exists now. Even simpler, start a guild with your spouse and add others who would also have decorator privileges and drop items in the bank that are "blank". That's works now....no changes are needed and that has built in privaledges through the guild of who can deposit and remove items from thank bank which then only requires the home owner to pull and drop items for decorator access.

What you don't seem to understand tho on the blank items.....the placement of any item is subject to the owner. The owners home is subject to the account and the allowances are subject to the slots which can change if you have eso plus.

It all still is connect to the account and that drives everything.

If in your suggested idea you caveat things, and ZOS makes sweeping changes then it's possible but that then blocks other features and becomes impossible.....in the way it works which almost everyone likes other than those who won't use the options available which are pretty nice.

Your ideas require things or caveats Such as:
-If the home were purchased in gold only
-if all items were crafted and no crown store items were allowed
-if no eso plus were in play
-if no home was account owner but set to some group like the guild not a player cause the player is still account driven
-no crown pets, mounts or assistants
-no bound or collected items from account achievements

Edit:
But who wants that....it's very limiting and restrictive. As is....one persons account who has the most benefits, unlocks and features should own the home and everyone else, use maybe a guild along with decorator and that co-ownership model exists now and it's not flawed. The only limit is the owners account limits.....but that is going to be in play with your ideas.

I know blank items are not an issue, just an inconvenience to trade each time you want to place but it works. But visitor doesnt have ability to place mounts or pets and other items bound to character. Also they cannot use crowns to purchase items to be placed in a "shared" home.

- I dont see how the house is purchased is relevant it is still owned either way. Shouldnt be an issue
- I didnt mention crafted items because ZOS may choose not to return those items again as they can be recrafted or purchased with game currency. People would be more concerned about losing items they paid real money for.
- If no eso plus in play then you just have the limited number of spaces same as it is now
- Theres lots of possible ways to set up this this system and have it work. I dont have access to the code so I cannot tell you the best way to implement the system, doesnt mean its not do able.
- Crown Pets, Mounts and assistants may be placed, they do not disappear from inventory they are more of a prop so you wouldnt need to worry about where these go
- Maybe only owner could place achievement items

I didnt address all these items because there are a lot of possibilities here and its best to leave options to ZOS so it may be easier for them to implement this system one way or another. We are just putting suggestions out here it seems you wont be satisfied with any answer unless we write the code for you and show exactly how to do this. This is in ZOS control not mine. I'm not paid to do this, they are. And in my post i described how they would reap benefits from doing this. It's not my job to lay out all the details, I'm just suggesting ways how this is very possible. You can nit pick the details all day but it would end up being in ZOS hands. I'm not gonna tell them how to do their job and lay out the whole format and code. But with the ideas we have suggested you can see how this is possible, I can't and wont tell you exactly all the details as I'm not a developer for the company but the potential is there to make this happen. So unless you have positive solutions to contribute I feel like you arent helping much with this idea or post.

@koralr33fer

Regarding inconvenience:
You don't have to trade, you can put it in a guild bank and set premissions and access within the group of decorators.
This removes any inconvenience but it continues the permissions, responsibility and respect that needs to remain for the person who owns the house in today's setup.

In the suggested changes, you could be in a state where the "blank" items are freely placed if it was set up as ownership by a guild but this requires removing the guild ownership from the GM as that's an account directed thing....it all goes back to an account so you have to first remove and eliminate all account related functions.

Mounts would only apply for gold purchased mounts by the guild not the player....

I comprehend that you don't see why the house purchase is relevant, the items, mounts, assistants, etc.
Your house being owned by the account whether gold or not.....the space, determines how much of each item can be placed and while the blank items aren't account bound, the management of those items in a house are.

That's why I continue to refer back to the base of all these ideas, which require dismounting everything in the game which can be placed in a house. I truly don't believe any player who paid real money for a mount, a home, furniture, etc would be open to giving others free reign on their items they own.

Now giving others access to move around their items....yes but that exists.

In short, it's not as simple as adjusting the house because everything we are discussing eventually stems from an account based setup.

That has to be removed entirely for any of these ideas to allow free reign on you and the others desires.

Make sense?

koralr33fer · March 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Obviously the game tracks bound items as being bound. Your wanting the items to be tracked as to who owns them in a shared environment. It's not as simple as some may think and can still lead the discord between players that Zos would be wise to avoid.

There are ways to make this happen with creating problems for ZOS. Obviously they arent going to do it if it creates a *** ton of support tickets about everyone QQ everytime people part ways. But rules could be set in advance to avoid this or to put the responsibility on the player and away from ZOS.

One option being items are returned to "co owner" if they seperate. If this is too hard, to keep track of who places what. Another possibility could be just a disclaimer when placing bound items. "You are placing a bound item in another players home, bound items will not be returned if you lose "co owner" status. Person QQ's after "divorce" Automatic message come out, "Before placing items you agreed that items may be lost by seperation" no further action required by ZOS. Done hands wiped clean.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

koralr33fer wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Obviously the game tracks bound items as being bound. Your wanting the items to be tracked as to who owns them in a shared environment. It's not as simple as some may think and can still lead the discord between players that Zos would be wise to avoid.

There are ways to make this happen with creating problems for ZOS. Obviously they arent going to do it if it creates a *** ton of support tickets about everyone QQ everytime people part ways. But rules could be set in advance to avoid this or to put the responsibility on the player and away from ZOS.

One option being items are returned to "co owner" if they seperate. If this is too hard, to keep track of who places what. Another possibility could be just a disclaimer when placing bound items. "You are placing a bound item in another players home, bound items will not be returned if you lose "co owner" status. Person QQ's after "divorce" Automatic message come out, "Before placing items you agreed that items may be lost by seperation" no further action required by ZOS. Done hands wiped clean.

@koralr33fer

You're suggesting that ZOS open up the digital ownership which occurs via a real money transaction (on consoles, outside of ZOS). The customers real money agreement which is the only way of access on consoles isn't with ZOS.

Make sense.....you're skipping a very important requirement therefore ZOS can't create a pop-up of sorts cause those types of items in real money scenarios aren't just a ZOS term of agreement.

For PC....if all countries allow it....they can do it but then it breaks parity even more
Personally .....it may seem that I'm splitting hairs, but it's how all this works.

Not trying to frustrate anyone

koralr33fer · March 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@koralr33fer

Regarding inconvenience:
You don't have to trade, you can put it in a guild bank and set premissions and access within the group of decorators.
This removes any inconvenience but it continues the permissions, responsibility and respect that needs to remain for the person who owns the house in today's setup.

In the suggested changes, you could be in a state where the "blank" items are freely placed if it was set up as ownership by a guild but this requires removing the guild ownership from the GM as that's an account directed thing....it all goes back to an account so you have to first remove and eliminate all account related functions.

Mounts would only apply for gold purchased mounts by the guild not the player....

I comprehend that you don't see why the house purchase is relevant, the items, mounts, assistants, etc.
Your house being owned by the account whether gold or not.....the space, determines how much of each item can be placed and while the blank items aren't account bound, the management of those items in a house are.

That's why I continue to refer back to the base of all these ideas, which require dismounting everything in the game which can be placed in a house. I truly don't believe any player who paid real money for a mount, a home, furniture, etc would be open to giving others free reign on their items they own.

Now giving others access to move around their items....yes but that exists.

In short, it's not as simple as adjusting the house because everything we are discussing eventually stems from an account based setup.

That has to be removed entirely for any of these ideas to allow free reign on you and the others desires.

Make sense?

I really dont see how its that much different than the current system. Again I already said everything would still be account based. House is bound to account. And items would be bound to separate accounts.

All the guild stuff you just mentioned about guild bank sounds more difficult than just trading the item to the other player at the house. The visitor would have to go to guild bank, place the items in bank. Then owner would have to leave, go to guild bank, get items and return home. Then the visitor can return home after owner is back. Owner finds the items and places it in the house. Then FINALLY visitor can move it. Like 8 more steps than just trading the item when both in house. That makes it more inconvenient instead of less.

I'm not looking to trade mounts just letting a visitor simply place a prop of their mount in the home, not even the actual mount that would need to be tracked. Like you said its an account bound thing I just want the 3D model in the home. No exchanging, no tracking necessary its not even an actual item just a pic of something bound to ur account. It is still bound to an account which seems to be a big issue for you.

How would they have to dismount the whole game for a visitor to place an unbound object in a home? Seems fairly simple to me. As far as bound items, like I said they could be tracked and returned to owner if lost or removed. Or simply not returned at all up to ZOS the option to place it there would be up to the player. I feel you are making it much more difficult than it really is.

As far as giving up free reign of purchased items. I would hope that you are only doing this with a person you know and trust. And as I suggested you cannot pick up bound items. You could possibly just return to the owner in the mail. So there is no risk of losing purchases. If there is you would be forwarned and it is your responsibility to make that decision. If you dont trust a player with ur stuff then dont place it there that simple. A simple disclaimer would protect ZOS from QQ.

Everything still bound to an account and one account alone this wouldnt require a whole recoding of the current system I dont see why you cant grasp that

koralr33fer · March 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're suggesting that ZOS open up the digital ownership which occurs via a real money transaction (on consoles, outside of ZOS). The customers real money agreement which is the only way of access on consoles isn't with ZOS.

Make sense.....you're skipping a very important requirement therefore ZOS can't create a pop-up of sorts cause those types of items in real money scenarios aren't just a ZOS term of agreement.

For PC....if all countries allow it....they can do it but then it breaks parity even more
Personally .....it may seem that I'm splitting hairs, but it's how all this works.

Not trying to frustrate anyone

Well that may be true. I'm not entirely sure to be honest. But the option to return items may be possible too. It may also be possible that the purchase is through XBOX or PS for the crowns, but what happens with currency and the things you buy with it may be entirely up to ZOS although it is bound to a XBOX or PS account. ZOS has lots of options as long as it is within TOS of XBOX or PS. XBOX and PS cant dictate everything they do but I'm sure there are rules that they have to follow too. Fact of the matter since we are not in the company we dont know exactly what those rules or regulations are. You are just speculating.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

koralr33fer wrote: »

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@koralr33fer

Regarding inconvenience:
You don't have to trade, you can put it in a guild bank and set premissions and access within the group of decorators.
This removes any inconvenience but it continues the permissions, responsibility and respect that needs to remain for the person who owns the house in today's setup.

In the suggested changes, you could be in a state where the "blank" items are freely placed if it was set up as ownership by a guild but this requires removing the guild ownership from the GM as that's an account directed thing....it all goes back to an account so you have to first remove and eliminate all account related functions.

Mounts would only apply for gold purchased mounts by the guild not the player....

I comprehend that you don't see why the house purchase is relevant, the items, mounts, assistants, etc.
Your house being owned by the account whether gold or not.....the space, determines how much of each item can be placed and while the blank items aren't account bound, the management of those items in a house are.

That's why I continue to refer back to the base of all these ideas, which require dismounting everything in the game which can be placed in a house. I truly don't believe any player who paid real money for a mount, a home, furniture, etc would be open to giving others free reign on their items they own.

Now giving others access to move around their items....yes but that exists.

In short, it's not as simple as adjusting the house because everything we are discussing eventually stems from an account based setup.

That has to be removed entirely for any of these ideas to allow free reign on you and the others desires.

Make sense?

I really dont see how its that much different than the current system. Again I already said everything would still be account based. House is bound to account. And items would be bound to separate accounts.

All the guild stuff you just mentioned about guild bank sounds more difficult than just trading the item to the other player at the house. The visitor would have to go to guild bank, place the items in bank. Then owner would have to leave, go to guild bank, get items and return home. Then the visitor can return home after owner is back. Owner finds the items and places it in the house. Then FINALLY visitor can move it. Like 8 more steps than just trading the item when both in house. That makes it more inconvenient instead of less.

I'm not looking to trade mounts just letting a visitor simply place a prop of their mount in the home, not even the actual mount that would need to be tracked. Like you said its an account bound thing I just want the 3D model in the home. No exchanging, no tracking necessary its not even an actual item.

How would they have to dismount the whole game for a visitor to place an unbound object in a home? Seems fairly simple to me. As far as bound items, like I said they could be tracked and returned to owner if lost or removed. Or simply not returned at all up to ZOS the option to place it there would be up to the player. I feel you are making it much more difficul than it really is.

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@koralr33fer

I think there value in completely understanding "accounts".
It's not that it's difficult, or complicated.....it's that it can or can't happen which is very simple if you understand how "accounts work" on each platform without significant changes. Not complicated or difficult changes but significant in the scope of what requires a different alignment.

How would they dismount all the account based things?
They wouldn't because their current model is a real money transaction based one which is aligned by account and those real money transactions touch almost all the items and features in their game.

Surgee · March 2017

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

@Surgee

Respectfully it's not that I'm not reading your OP or the many different comments. It's that you're actually asking this:

ZOS please let other players disregard the limits or requirements that make players purchase items with gold or real money so that in housing we can share and access account based items

Because there are things you can share outside of your request, I'm responding to what's relevant and omitting what's irrelevant. The relevant parts are the "account based" things.

It's not that I'm speculating or making assumptions.....which I why I begin with suggesting to read through the FAQs

koralr33fer · March 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

koralr33fer · March 2017

Once again thank you for reminding us that everything is account based 1001 times now. But some things are not like Pledge of Mara. Just because most things are account based doesn't mean they can't implement things that are not....can we move forward with the discussion or are you just going to keep replying about how everything is account based. We wanted to tie this in with Pledge of Mara which is character based. I realize the items on your character are account based. And yes you are speculating because you are saying what ZOS can and cannot do because of XBOX and PS terms of service which apply to you the customer and not ZOS. You don't know EXACTLY what rules and regulation ZOS follows to comply with XBOX and PS requirements. It may make this harder to implement but not impossible...Please don't reply telling me its account based again...you've more than driven that point home...

idk · March 2017

koralr33fer wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Obviously the game tracks bound items as being bound. Your wanting the items to be tracked as to who owns them in a shared environment. It's not as simple as some may think and can still lead the discord between players that Zos would be wise to avoid.

There are ways to make this happen with creating problems for ZOS. Obviously they arent going to do it if it creates a *** ton of support tickets about everyone QQ everytime people part ways. But rules could be set in advance to avoid this or to put the responsibility on the player and away from ZOS.

One option being items are returned to "co owner" if they seperate. If this is too hard, to keep track of who places what. Another possibility could be just a disclaimer when placing bound items. "You are placing a bound item in another players home, bound items will not be returned if you lose "co owner" status. Person QQ's after "divorce" Automatic message come out, "Before placing items you agreed that items may be lost by seperation" no further action required by ZOS. Done hands wiped clean.

I agree there are ways it can be done. One is the current design of course.

The current design makes it clear who actually owns the home with further clarity that when a friend helps decorate a home that they are giving the deco to the homeowner. When looking at each item in a home the ownership is known and no quarrels due to the design of the homes become sn issue Zos need to deal with when two players who chose to pretend to share a home to their separate ways.

Every idea in this thread and others to increase the level of sharing strays from this clarity with some clearly requiring additional wording in the ToS or an additional agreement. For consoles additional issues are in place since it's easier for consoles to get refunds than PC players.

I'm not saying it cannot be done. I'm merely pointing out it's likely something Zos will choose to avoid for valid reasons.

koralr33fer · March 2017

They may choose to avoid it but it would be foolish for them to, the number of sales they would get if they implemented this would be insane...more purchases from "co owner" on furnishing goods ( my old lady loves to decorate, she currently cannot), if it was tied into pledge system people would be buying pledges even if level capped just to have the benefit of sharing a house...more sales. The pledge sales alone I can only imagine. One pledge for every couple and friend wanting to share a home (which from what I can see in forum is a looooot of people). Maybe require a co-owner form in addition to pledge...even more sales. People would pay lots of money for this feature, I know I would.

To avoid this feature is to avoid sales and money. Not a good idea for a business. I know they wanna avoid couple drama but there are safeguards and rules they can implement to put responsibility on player and off of them.

As far as sharing we tried to make it clear "co owner" was a term for a player allowed to decorate the home. The house, and all goods and sales would want to stay bound to a single account if possible. So why would there be a need for refunds if this was put into place?

idk · March 2017

@koralr33fer

You may be right. It may be foolish for them to not implement this.

However, it's not something we can accurately know without the model of potential revenues or the potential headaches. Basically our statements are all assumptions and opinions.

Surgee · March 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

koralr33fer · March 2017

Is there any other features people would like to see, I for one just want the pledged character, "co owner" to be able to place items of their own like mount displays as well as ability to spend their crowns on goods, which would be bound, for the same home.

OmniDo · March 2017

Possible logical alternatives:

1) Use "Stronghold System" in SWTOR
In Star Wars the Old Republic, these types of "houses", called "strongholds", have their own inventory which is bound to the building itself. The building is of course controlled by the owner, but the owner can grant permissions to anyone else and allow them to retrieve items from the building storage for immediate display, or put them "away", returning them to the building storage.
Said folks can also deposit items into the building storage, but these are considered "lost", both to the owner and to the player donating them, since they become "owned" by the building itself and cannot ever be taken from the building.

2) Create individual permissions for items

"Locked"
Cannot be moved, hidden, or made visible by anyone but the owner.
"Unlocked"
Can be moved, hidden, or made visible by anyone with "Decorator" permissions
"Hidden"
Objects are no longer visible, but can be "Retrieved" by the owner, or "Selected" for placement by a decorator, provided said object is not also "Locked" by the owner
All objects whether hidden or visible still count towards the total number of allotted items in the homestead.

3) Create a "Loan" function
Bound objects can be "Loaned" to the owner by anyone with decorator status, with all the applicable permissions from #2, excluding the retrieve function by the owner.
This would allow decorators to donate their bound items for display, but would prevent the owner from controlling them other than placement and visibility.
This also solves the potential problem of "House-Wrecking"; whereby a player with decorator permissions would attempt to wreck havoc with the environment or overall display of the owners home, using their own loaned items.
All "Loaned" items would count towards the total number of allotted items permitted in each homestead, but can be retrieved by their respective Loaners at any time.
All loaned objects "removed" by the owner, or any decorator who is demoted or banned, will be automatically mailed to their respective loaners.

Any or all of the above will solve the current limitations for homestead decoration and participation.
Its not rocket surgery, its simply a matter of database flags on the server side and permission functions implemented into the UI and Client.
Zo$ can either decide to follow suit and potentially increase their profits from crown-purchased merchandise, or they can ignore the suggestion and hurt their own pocketbooks.

STEVIL · March 2017

I would also like to see this added in the future as one of the many good idea for expanding housing capabilities.

i am not sure i want it more than (read worked on and added in prior to):

mannequins and other storage improvment/enhancers.
tunable wayshrines pedestals
bard/guests
gardens
ore veins
animal traps
chefs
mailboxes/couriers to guilds for dailies (inc writs)

i am very happy this did not get rushed into first release. Adding a whole set of permissions that do allow adding and removing at any level except by owner directly as part of day one release is incredibly risky. They opted with the safest - no permission can add/remove. Can you imagine how disastrous if on day three threads of "all my stuff is gone bug" threads were spawning like skeevers in heat?

i hope it will come... just like lotsa of other good ideas still in the waiting wings neighborhood.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

@Surgee

Please stop arguing with me because I'm sharing what I know to be accurate and not spreading misinformation.

The ESO account is a page that literally

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

@Surgee

It's not speculation or misinformation, but further, it's important details to the discussion.

I have a ESO account because I have a PC account and I had to transfer my PC stuff to Xbox one which was a ZOS store purchase and not via Xbox live. ZOS gave me a code to use on Xbox live so for me it was required cause of PC but it's my PC game account.

My specific example above shared that my wife and kids play on Xbox live and were asked to link their Xbox profile but they just typed in a dummy email address and keep going and play.....now for over a year. ....from actual experiences not speculation. They literally don't have this account you keep bringing up, and it's important to note how these things work and what isn't a factor or related in order for your ideas and others to be considered and relevant.

You're talking about an ESO login page to create a ESO account. Not a game account! In the PC environment which exists for you, it's very different and that's what I've been saying all along.

That eso account is a ZOS thing that but it's not involved in playing ESO. It is there in order to purchase from ZOS whether that be a t-shirt, the pc game etc but in terms of and in context of what you're talking about.......no it's not a separate thing to play the game and actually not even required for Xbox

You have good ideas.....and I don't even disagree with your ideas, I'm just pointing out that those ideas would need to consider actual game account meaning Xbox live or psn

Surgee · March 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

@Surgee

Please stop arguing with me because I'm sharing what I know to be accurate and not spreading misinformation.

The ESO account is a page that literally

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

@Surgee

It's not speculation or misinformation, but further, it's important details to the discussion.

I have a ESO account because I have a PC account and I had to transfer my PC stuff to Xbox one which was a ZOS store purchase and not via Xbox live. ZOS gave me a code to use on Xbox live so for me it was required cause of PC but it's my PC game account.

My specific example above shared that my wife and kids play on Xbox live and were asked to link their Xbox profile but they just typed in a dummy email address and keep going and play.....now for over a year. ....from actual experiences not speculation. They literally don't have this account you keep bringing up, and it's important to note how these things work and what isn't a factor or related in order for your ideas and others to be considered and relevant.

You're talking about an ESO login page to create a ESO account. Not a game account! In the PC environment which exists for you, it's very different and that's what I've been saying all along.

That eso account is a ZOS thing that but it's not involved in playing ESO. It is there in order to purchase from ZOS whether that be a t-shirt, the pc game etc but in terms of and in context of what you're talking about.......no it's not a separate thing to play the game and actually not even required for Xbox

You have good ideas.....and I don't even disagree with your ideas, I'm just pointing out that those ideas would need to consider actual game account meaning Xbox live or psn

What?? It's wrtten there by ZOS themselves that there is an ESO account that is linked to XBOX LIVE account. How can you not understand that? This is madness. *facepalm* I shall no longer reply your posts, sir. I don't want to be rude but it seems like you're missing a skill of reading with understanding.

STEVIL wrote: »

I would also like to see this added in the future as one of the many good idea for expanding housing capabilities.

i am not sure i want it more than (read worked on and added in prior to):
mannequins and other storage improvment/enhancers.

tunable wayshrines pedestals

bard/guests

gardens

ore veins

animal traps

chefs

mailboxes/couriers to guilds for dailies (inc writs)

i am very happy this did not get rushed into first release. Adding a whole set of permissions that do allow adding and removing at any level except by owner directly as part of day one release is incredibly risky. They opted with the safest - no permission can add/remove. Can you imagine how disastrous if on day three threads of "all my stuff is gone bug" threads were spawning like skeevers in heat?

i hope it will come... just like lotsa of other good ideas still in the waiting wings neighborhood.

Great stuff!
I'd love to see that.

I'm fetching a bit far but what I also would like as well is to have a questline related to the house I already own (like let's say, the house is haunted and you need to clear it of evil spirits).
Occasional, repeatable house quests that appear every few days would be awesome too (Your house is getting raided!) it would make it feel like a part of the living world. The bigger the house, the more dangerous the quests would be.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2017

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

@Surgee

Please stop arguing with me because I'm sharing what I know to be accurate and not spreading misinformation.

The ESO account is a page that literally

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Edited first post for the ones who don't read beyond it. Once again - ownership of items would not be interfered with. It can be done. Period.
@NewBlacksmurf This is a suggestion to ZOS and I'm pretty sure they are aware if it can be done or not, so no need to try to act as an advocate for them when you might be completely wrong at your theory. If ZOS believes they can't or won't do it, then they won't - simple as that. The purpose of this topic is to show ZOS that there are players that would like to see this feature in the game. Let's leave the technical part to ZOS if they decide to implement it.

Agreed he is speculating when he doesnt know what all the rules and regulations that apply to ZOS. We are not trying to debate what the laws are here. It was simply a suggestion forum to POSSIBLY lie out the framework like on pg 2 #45, not all the little details and legal BS. Whether or not this is doable is ultimately up to ZOS and consoles etc.

We're not asking them nor would I ever ask them to rewrite the code for the whole inventory and account system. Just ideas on how it could possibly be implemented and best suite the players as well as ZOS.

This was a forum for features the community was looking for and it somehow turned into a legal debate so let's please return to that like in OP.

All we wanted was to not have to build 2 houses with our dearly beloveds...and build together the details and the ball is and will forever will be in the ZOS court.

And yes we realize its account base >.> you've mentioned that about 1000X times we got it bro. Doesnt mean it cannot be done >.>

@koralr33fer

Please don't make accusations that I'm speculation.
Also don't speculate that I'm suggesting it require legal action, court, etc.

I've simply hoped to inform you that as written, your ideas that are shared with @Surgee touch on account based features that as written cannot work

Not that it's worth your time to look up but ZOS has official comments and FAQs around some of the things your suggestions touch on and those being specific account based allowances.

A lot of what you are discussing is already accessible, it's just requires different cooperation and steps that you two feel shouldn't exist or that you comment as too restrictive or cumbersome.

if you play on PC or care to review the PTS forums, you'll also find a lot of expressed desires which contain some similarities and where even some responses occurred back during testing on PTS.

Maybe that's worth reading up on as to elevate these ideas that I'm speculating.
Either way...as is.....you have options now to do some of the things you desire, just not as you desire for account based reasons and restrictions.

I ask you again, sir - please stop spreading the wrong information. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's a fact. You by yourself posted a quote from ZOS confirming that ESO has a separate account from XBOX LIVE account, but these accounts are linked. This alone completely contradicts your entire theory.

You keep on mentioning FAQ so here it is:

Can I play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited using only my Xbox One login details?
No. Access to ESOTU requires that players have a link between their Xbox One account and their ESOTU account. When they access the game from their Xbox One for the first time, players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in with their ESOTU User ID and password once they link their ESOTU and Xbox Live accounts.

New players will need to create a new ESOTU account - accessible via a link on their consoles - register their e-mail address, choose a password, and complete the account creation steps. They will also have the option to sign up for Bethesda updates, newsletters, and special offers at this time.

Players who already have an ESOTU account will be able to log in using their existing ESOTU UserID and password after they have linked their Xbox Live and ESOTU accounts by following the on-screen prompts during setup.
"
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/xboxaccountfaq

This is just a short part of it, proving that XBOX LIVE account and ESO account are 2 different things.ZOS have a full control of what account CAN or CAN'T do and what is bound or not If you will buy a horse for crowns and it won't work in some way, you can not get a money refund, but a crown refund because....you know what, if you can't grasp this then I don't know anymore. You keep on posting about technical stuff...THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKEND of the game. I completely don't understand why you're trying to argue about that stuff. Just relax and let it be. We are not asking YOU to implement it, we are asking ZOS to implement it. Let them figure it out. Really mate, you're runing the entire topic. Seems like you're working hard to make mods close it.

@Surgee

It's not speculation or misinformation, but further, it's important details to the discussion.

I have a ESO account because I have a PC account and I had to transfer my PC stuff to Xbox one which was a ZOS store purchase and not via Xbox live. ZOS gave me a code to use on Xbox live so for me it was required cause of PC but it's my PC game account.

My specific example above shared that my wife and kids play on Xbox live and were asked to link their Xbox profile but they just typed in a dummy email address and keep going and play.....now for over a year. ....from actual experiences not speculation. They literally don't have this account you keep bringing up, and it's important to note how these things work and what isn't a factor or related in order for your ideas and others to be considered and relevant.

You're talking about an ESO login page to create a ESO account. Not a game account! In the PC environment which exists for you, it's very different and that's what I've been saying all along.

That eso account is a ZOS thing that but it's not involved in playing ESO. It is there in order to purchase from ZOS whether that be a t-shirt, the pc game etc but in terms of and in context of what you're talking about.......no it's not a separate thing to play the game and actually not even required for Xbox

You have good ideas.....and I don't even disagree with your ideas, I'm just pointing out that those ideas would need to consider actual game account meaning Xbox live or psn

What?? It's wrtten there by ZOS themselves that there is an ESO account that is linked to XBOX LIVE account. How can you not understand that? This is madness. *facepalm* I shall no longer reply your posts, sir. I don't want to be rude but it seems like you're missing a skill of reading with understanding.

STEVIL wrote: »

I would also like to see this added in the future as one of the many good idea for expanding housing capabilities.

i am not sure i want it more than (read worked on and added in prior to):
mannequins and other storage improvment/enhancers.

tunable wayshrines pedestals

bard/guests

gardens

ore veins

animal traps

chefs

mailboxes/couriers to guilds for dailies (inc writs)

i am very happy this did not get rushed into first release. Adding a whole set of permissions that do allow adding and removing at any level except by owner directly as part of day one release is incredibly risky. They opted with the safest - no permission can add/remove. Can you imagine how disastrous if on day three threads of "all my stuff is gone bug" threads were spawning like skeevers in heat?

i hope it will come... just like lotsa of other good ideas still in the waiting wings neighborhood.

Great stuff!
I'd love to see that.

I'm fetching a bit far but what I also would like as well is to have a questline related to the house I already own (like let's say, the house is haunted and you need to clear it of evil spirits).
Occasional, repeatable house quests that appear every few days would be awesome too (Your house is getting raided!) it would make it feel like a part of the living world. The bigger the house, the more dangerous the quests would be.

@Surgee

ZOS writes a lot of stuff....so the reason I type what I typed in addition to referring to the FAQ is specifically for that reason
The FAQ also says that on Xbox one if you buy ESO Plus you won't get crowns u til the end if another sub is active. Oddly Xbox live doesn't allow it in one circumstance

It also says you get crowns with a new sub.....but for two years, they can't seem to provide many of us with crowns.
ZOS also wrote that eso on console required a cd key....and later had to edit the article

It also says they don't refund crown purchases .....to date I've received 4 individual refunds.

There is value in referring to the FAQ but relying on actual experiences from ppl who do support, testing and Dev alpha testing and beta tests for Xbox.

koralr33fer · March 2017

I'm with surgee there is no point in debating with you at this point about the technicalities of eso and Xbox accounts that's not what this thread was about. We understand this would play into designing this system but we are not here to discuss this in fine detail. Leave that to the developers if they even choose to do this. This was a forum to contribute ideas and possible solutions. Also last reply from me. You can argue with yourself from here on out.

@OmniDo some good thoughts and another possible solution to this dilema

We need more people like you in this thread to contribute possible solutions instead of people just shooting everyone's ideas down like some people won't don't bring anything to the conversation but conflict...

Also some good possible features @STEVIL

We realize this is only the first release and hopefully the foundation and building blocks to something not just good but great

Ihatenightblades · March 2017

Dude you guys are leaving essay long answers like it's necessary lol

Its simple, it would make them less money .

Boom a good reason for them to not allow it lol

FuriousStar · March 2017

Haha, they forced a prenup on you! That's hilarious! My question is....who gets the dog?

koralr33fer · March 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Dude you guys are leaving essay long answers like it's necessary lol

Its simple, it would make them less money .

Boom a good reason for them to not allow it lol

That's debatable, many of the houses are purchasable with in game currency so they are not making money on some house sales anyways. And also a person can only afford to spend so much on decorating a house, but if you have two people contributing money it might offset those loses from buying a second home. And also if you tied this into pledge of Mara people who are level capped and don't need the xp boost would buy them just for this benefit. And if you wanted to tie multiple alts of a player into a home that would require a pledge sale for each character. Maybe require a pledge and a new crown item like a "Co owner" form. I feel if it's done right there is money to be made here

STEVIL · March 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Great stuff!
I'd love to see that.

I'm fetching a bit far but what I also would like as well is to have a questline related to the house I already own (like let's say, the house is haunted and you need to clear it of evil spirits).
Occasional, repeatable house quests that appear every few days would be awesome too (Your house is getting raided!) it would make it feel like a part of the living world. The bigger the house, the more dangerous the quests would be.

You know, that would be great!

matter of fact, take it one better, every so often throw in some ESo Housing quests related to seasonal events.

Come Halloween time - house becomes haunted.

Come springtime, amorous giants nearby.

Winter - hungry ogres whose food has been captured by interlopers.

Each quest rewards with a house furnishing tailored to the event.

maybe have that house banker guy show up with "a problem..."

Surgee · March 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

Great stuff!
I'd love to see that.

I'm fetching a bit far but what I also would like as well is to have a questline related to the house I already own (like let's say, the house is haunted and you need to clear it of evil spirits).
Occasional, repeatable house quests that appear every few days would be awesome too (Your house is getting raided!) it would make it feel like a part of the living world. The bigger the house, the more dangerous the quests would be.

You know, that would be great!

matter of fact, take it one better, every so often throw in some ESo Housing quests related to seasonal events.

Come Halloween time - house becomes haunted.

Come springtime, amorous giants nearby.

Winter - hungry ogres whose food has been captured by interlopers.

Each quest rewards with a house furnishing tailored to the event.

maybe have that house banker guy show up with "a problem..."

Love it!!

holosoul · March 2017

ugh this was the first thing I wanted to do when I came back to the game again.
You can't even let a spouse be a primary resident. What gives ZOS?