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Can we please drop the double-AP?
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »@Biro123
This is only for a week, but I think you do highlight an issue with this testing!
We now have everyman and his Noob in the campaigns, so the behaviour is not the same as normal, as the Newbies to PVP will play completely differently using different skills and tactics.
So I don't think this is a like for like test....
So what? That has nothing to do with what the devs are testing xD
I think it does. You have to have controls in a test.. you keep some factors the same - adjust others. They already know Azura runs better than TF. The suspect is CP. They try to prove that by turning it off in TF to see if it runs the same way as Azura. If TF still lags - then it isn't CP - its something to do with the way players are playing there.. bigger zergs, more large-scale 3-way fights, more proc-sets, more ball-groups.. could be any of those - or none.. The devs are hoping that people are playing the way they usually do for the duration of this test to try to keep that a constant. - in fact they asked us to.. But obviously that isn't happening.
Ummm, nope. Check this explanation out: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3851106/#Comment_3851106
Anyway, queue for Azura or Haderus and your problem is solved
Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 1, 2017 2:32PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's happening on Xbox EU too, there all farming the sh't out of nikel getting like 14k AP a flip.
The thing that no one has taken into consideration is that this will break the economy in game, people have farmed literally millions of AP. Expect to see a lot of gold jewels from cyrodil vendor on the weekend, and akaviri motifs ect. Pretty much anything they can use to convert their millions of AP into gold1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭At some point.....for your sake and those who really enjoy PvP
I hope ZOS changes Cyrodil and breaks it into smaller chunks so ppl can queue and jump in, play and it reset so imagine maybe a 2 hour or 3 hour smaller campaigns that reset and where multiple versions occur simultaneously so that each small group can go in once the campaign has X min players.
I have absolutely no idea why they are trying to force this whole zone and IC as one campaign.
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I gave up pvp for the week idc about the AP means Nothing to me I'll let the noob pve Zerg bads go nuts can't wait for this "test" to be over and nothing to be done about the lag0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »@Biro123
This is only for a week, but I think you do highlight an issue with this testing!
We now have everyman and his Noob in the campaigns, so the behaviour is not the same as normal, as the Newbies to PVP will play completely differently using different skills and tactics.
So I don't think this is a like for like test....
So what? That has nothing to do with what the devs are testing xD
I think it does. You have to have controls in a test.. you keep some factors the same - adjust others. They already know Azura runs better than TF. The suspect is CP. They try to prove that by turning it off in TF to see if it runs the same way as Azura. If TF still lags - then it isn't CP - its something to do with the way players are playing there.. bigger zergs, more large-scale 3-way fights, more proc-sets, more ball-groups.. could be any of those - or none.. The devs are hoping that people are playing the way they usually do for the duration of this test to try to keep that a constant. - in fact they asked us to.. But obviously that isn't happening.
Ummm, nope. Check this explanation out: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3851106/#Comment_3851106
Anyway, queue for Azura or Haderus and your problem is solved
Sorry man - you've just done the cardinal sin of taking an assumption and treating it as fact. It could be right but I don't believe so looking at ZoS's main post:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323521/cyrodiil-performance-test-and-double-ap-event/p1
notably:Simply put, Azura’s Star (the non-Champion Point campaign) runs much better, more efficiently, and is overall a much better PvP experience than the standard campaigns such as Trueflame or Haderus. Now that we’ve had a significant population density in Azura’s Star, we strongly suspect what has been theorized for a long time: Champion Rank passives and abilities are causing too much server load, especially in situations like Keep battles where there are tons of players in one place.
So, I'm not convinced his theory that double-ap is there to generate a stress-test is correct as they already have good population-density in Azura. He could be correct - but equally he could be wrong.
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ie. they want TF to be played in the same way with non-cp as it was with cp. ofc. I'm only guessing too - but you can't prove I'm wrongWe encourage all players to continue their PvP activities in their respective Home, Guest, and Friends campaigns
I suspect that they were worried that people who like CP's would stop playing during the no-cp week - and added the double-ap incentive to try to counter that - not to generate a stress-test.
btw, I have 25 years experience working in software development and testing in very large-scale applications. That other guy isn't the only one who knows what he's talking about.
Edited by Biro123 on March 1, 2017 3:35PMMinalan owes me a beer.
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why does another server not exist to you?
All servers will have action.
Cheers!0 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They have to test it on the same server (TF), because there will be differences between them even if they are built exactly the same. This will also eliminate any potental difference in server hardware performance. Comparing Azura to TF is apples to oranges.
Also if they kept any of the servers as CP, the CP crowd will just move there.
It will be over in a few days.Beta tester November 20131 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »Why does another server not exist to you?
All servers will have action.
Cheers!
I'm kind of invested in TF. I've played there for ages - and have in interest in seeing and helping my faction do well on that server. Yeah, I could go Azura (and I sometimes do for a change when I want no-CP) - but it's not the same.
To go Haderus - well, I'd have to switch guest-campaign for that - and won't be able to turn it back for a while after.. and even so - it just doesn't mean anything.. I won't care about the campaign/my faction etc as it will only be temporary. I don't care about farming AP either.
I just want to play in the server I usually play on as I normally do - and when I want to, group with my guildies who will also be (or are normally) there. Surely that's not too much to ask?Minalan owes me a beer.
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HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hope most folks realize that having a queue Is a good thing.
That temporary inconvenience to you means that PVP is active with a lot of players & not a ghost town. It means ZOS doesn't need to shut down another under populated campaign. It means that for all the bitching that "ZOS only does things for PVE", they are now paying attention to PVP because there is an active crowd in it right now.
This PVP fever will end shortly after the double AP event I'm sure, but maybe more people will stick around and maybe, just maybe, ZOS will get some meaningful data to improve the state of Cyrodiil for good.Edited by HeroOfNone on March 1, 2017 4:19PM2 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭As frustrating as this is for the individual and those in your situation this is very good for the game.
It means there are lots of people playing lots of PvP and giving ZOS lots of data to go over, if they can find ways to mitigate the lag they might even be able to raise population caps in future meaning more access for more people.
It means nothing. I see you registered in 2014, so by now you should be well aware of The Way of Wheeler, which comprises of:
1) The Lag.
2) Players are annoyed.
3) Wheeler announces X.
4) Players are excited.
5) Nothing really happens.
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Set your guest campaign to Azura or Haderus and play there while waiting for your Trueflame queue.0 -
I'm terrible at PVP with no CP. I can't do anything XD.Feel free to add me. I'm part of the Gummy Guars PC/Mac NA server. Master crafter and working on getting 9 traits on everything0 -
JamieAubrey wrote: »Cyrodiil auto accept is what you need, never miss that notification again
I've searched for something similar to this with no luck, auto invite is the only add-on I find0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭you try another campaign or just que for one? People keep complaining about this, but refuse to go to another campaign outside of the main one (tf on pc/na).0 -
Remag_Div✭✭✭✭✭I entered a delve in Cryodiil and I couldn't leave for about 5 minutes because the queue was full.
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Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So PvP becoming popular for a weak has ruined the game for you. Makes logic.0 -
Nutshotz✭✭✭✭What I've found from pvping the last few nights whether it be bombing or single target or ball group. You can definitely tell which players rely on CP and which players can adapt to survive without CP. You would be surprised on how many players can't pvp without CP cuz they can't manage there resources and they are still wearing there old sets. Which is fine, but without cp or soft caps 800 - 1.3k regen on magicka or stam won't work well. Solo play yes. Group play yes and no, depending on the group make up. I've made a regen build and changed a few things on my dps sets so that I'm able to sustain at 1.6k regen.
By no means am I picking on anyone I'm just stating that if people can't adapt to no CP. Than how are yout gonna pvp if all campaigns go no CP?0 -
Alex_Lex✭✭✭✭✭No, please, let this AP week be finished.
I've got vigor with 7 toons already, 9 more left.Edited by Alex_Lex on March 1, 2017 8:43PMEU: Beatrice gra-Brog, Rebellie, Yshterie, Jearra , Lirielline
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a one-week data-mining exercise to try to improve the entire Cyrodiil experience. Nothing about that says, "This is going to be a convenient and totally pleasant experience for everyone. Enjoy!"
It's just a week. Suffer through it for the good of the game."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »It's a one-week data-mining exercise to try to improve the entire Cyrodiil experience. Nothing about that says, "This is going to be a convenient and totally pleasant experience for everyone. Enjoy!"
It's just a week. Suffer through it for the good of the game.
I will say, my PvE guild is enjoying this event quite a lot. We can finally find loads of people that are equally bad at PvP!ESO Balance:
“All skills are equal, but some skills are more equal than others.”0 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As frustrating as this is for the individual and those in your situation this is very good for the game.
It means there are lots of people playing lots of PvP and giving ZOS lots of data to go over, if they can find ways to mitigate the lag they might even be able to raise population caps in future meaning more access for more people.
Just set your guest campaign to the least populated campaign and play there until your queue for your main campaign pops.
Sure, but don't you want actual PvPers doing the testing. Right now a lot of the people are plrobably PvErs gaining th epoints0
