koralr33fer wrote: »

But co-ownership could be a feature within the game. Not xbox live. Everything is bound to each account so they are in reality not sharing anything. Owner has house bound to them and items purchased are bound to separate accounts. We are just looking to share a space which is completely in zos control. When we say co-owning I don't mean that literally you both own the house, but the other player I've been calling Co owner has similar abilities to modify the home. Everything would be assigned to one person or account just a shared space in elder scrolls. And my previous post addresses possible issues as far as separating accounts when "divorce" occurs. The Co owner just has ability to travel to home and place items even though they don't literally own the house or others person's purchased goods inside.

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The reason is that houses, mounts, gear, items, crowns and ESO Plus is tied to the account

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Surgee

Let's say a couple go separate ways. Zos shouldn't have to deal with it and
So you cannot share equally in game.

Besides, everything is either account or character based. None is dual account based.

Na. That's very simple to solve. I don't mean TOTAL shared control. Just ranks like in guild with permissions. There is still ONE owner, but this owner can give permissions such as inviting other visitors and placing and removing items to another player. The person who bought the house still has the real control, just like the guild master.

@Surgee

No it's actually not simple to solve. See this game is also on consoles so those account are not ZOS, they are Sony and Xbox accounts as our purchases are through Sony and Xbox....not ZOS and in the game our accounts are our gamertag and PSN ids

They'd have to rework the entire account system on consoles just to allow something in houses that doesn't add any value to gameplay at all


It's not character based it's account based so ranks are still tied to the account not a character. Everything is account based like the bank, guilds, so while ZOS has individual character achievements.

The account still shares progress

That's not true at all. Changing any BOUND/ACCOUNT wide settings is not hard at all. It's just item parameter that can be edited. Bound = true/false or anytihng simple like that Of course changes like this have to be tested and can affect other parts of the game, but it's nowhere near what you're saying. Devs don't have to change the entire game code to make one item or another ESO account bound. It has been done with several items before and crown store items are no different. They just keep it bound to prevent people making money out off crown store items.
Even with items being bound, there are simple solutions without changing it. Just read above.

@Surgee

ZOS doesn't have access to change it. That's the context I hoped to share.

ESO Plus is through Xbox and Sony

The benefits are from ZOS so it's seperate
My crowns are from ZOS
My purchase is to Xbox/Sony and ZOS can't seperate the two

My save file is on the ZOS server but a copy is on the Xbox cloud. I can delete the Xbox one but not the ZOS files.

Xbox doesn't allow accounts to share in the way you describe. There are family settings but it's seperate from the game developers.


ZOS has to develop their game to align with Xbox and Sony.....not the other way around.

Some things are designed intentionally not to share

I think you are talking about something completely different. Again, this has nothing to do with the xbox live. Its how the game is set ot be and nothing else. If ZOS would want it they could unbind all crown store items. You dont buy stuff from MICROSOFT when you buy eso stuff. You buy crowns from ZOS. Purchases in eso do not work like in other games. With that being said i think you did not read our solution to make it work without changing any crown store/binding settings. Your bound items would still be yours and no one can take them from you by placing it in his inventory. Read my comment abive carefuly.

@Surgee
No I'm talking about the topic.
The house is owned by the account. The account for consoles is the Xbox live or PSN account.

It has everything to do with Xbox live and PSN because when we group, chat, Mail, join a guild, whisper, etc. All of that is our Xbox live account.

I have the game on PC too so I know what I'm saying. On PC you have a ZOS account so for tickets our ZOS account is linked to the Xbox live account.

In order to accomplish what you want.....the game would instead have to not sale the house via crowns , not have any eso plus benefits and limit the house to ingame gold as well as limit the house per character. Basically you'd have to redesign the whole game because pets, mounts, bank, guilds, etc would need to be cut off.

Essentially anything that involves crowns or eso Plus cannot work they way you're describing it because of how the accounts have to work.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Surgee

So you and I decide to shack up in my Dagerfall Overlook. I grant you share permission since well, your so fabulous and all. Your help decorate "our special home".

The times have been fun and our home is so beautiful. Then you catch me with that sweet young tavern wench and find out I have a tavern wench in every pub across Tamriel. I have a lot to give and seem to have some charm. Sorry.

Your decide to move out of our castle and back to your lovely garden in Wayrest. When you start packing up all the crown store decos you added to the home you discover they aren't going into your inventory because Zos didn't want the responsibility of tracking who out what where.

The times were good while they lasted. Thanks for the furnishings. Oh, cya, I'm late for a visit to the tavern.

They are already tracking millions of items that are bound. I see no problem here.
Please read below, it's easiest solution:

Owner can set another player as co-owner.
Co-owner can place new items, remove items placed by HIMSELF, or move items placed by others (but can't remove them)
Owner can place or remove items belonging to anyone
If co-owner is demoted or removed from the house, all his crown store decors are removed automatically and sent to his mailbox.

Items that are bound are still bound. No one else can trade them, no one else than an owner of them item can have it in his inventory.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

But co-ownership could be a feature within the game. Not xbox live. Everything is bound to each account so they are in reality not sharing anything. Owner has house bound to them and items purchased are bound to separate accounts. We are just looking to share a space which is completely in zos control. When we say co-owning I don't mean that literally you both own the house, but the other player I've been calling Co owner has similar abilities to modify the home. Everything would be assigned to one person or account just a shared space in elder scrolls. And my previous post addresses possible issues as far as separating accounts when "divorce" occurs. The Co owner just has ability to travel to home and place items even though they don't literally own the house or others person's purchased goods inside.

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The reason is that houses, mounts, gear, items, crowns and ESO Plus is tied to the account

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Surgee

Let's say a couple go separate ways. Zos shouldn't have to deal with it and
So you cannot share equally in game.

Besides, everything is either account or character based. None is dual account based.

Na. That's very simple to solve. I don't mean TOTAL shared control. Just ranks like in guild with permissions. There is still ONE owner, but this owner can give permissions such as inviting other visitors and placing and removing items to another player. The person who bought the house still has the real control, just like the guild master.

@Surgee

No it's actually not simple to solve. See this game is also on consoles so those account are not ZOS, they are Sony and Xbox accounts as our purchases are through Sony and Xbox....not ZOS and in the game our accounts are our gamertag and PSN ids

They'd have to rework the entire account system on consoles just to allow something in houses that doesn't add any value to gameplay at all


It's not character based it's account based so ranks are still tied to the account not a character. Everything is account based like the bank, guilds, so while ZOS has individual character achievements.

The account still shares progress

That's not true at all. Changing any BOUND/ACCOUNT wide settings is not hard at all. It's just item parameter that can be edited. Bound = true/false or anytihng simple like that Of course changes like this have to be tested and can affect other parts of the game, but it's nowhere near what you're saying. Devs don't have to change the entire game code to make one item or another ESO account bound. It has been done with several items before and crown store items are no different. They just keep it bound to prevent people making money out off crown store items.
Even with items being bound, there are simple solutions without changing it. Just read above.

@Surgee

ZOS doesn't have access to change it. That's the context I hoped to share.

ESO Plus is through Xbox and Sony

The benefits are from ZOS so it's seperate
My crowns are from ZOS
My purchase is to Xbox/Sony and ZOS can't seperate the two

My save file is on the ZOS server but a copy is on the Xbox cloud. I can delete the Xbox one but not the ZOS files.

Xbox doesn't allow accounts to share in the way you describe. There are family settings but it's seperate from the game developers.


ZOS has to develop their game to align with Xbox and Sony.....not the other way around.

Some things are designed intentionally not to share

I think you are talking about something completely different. Again, this has nothing to do with the xbox live. Its how the game is set ot be and nothing else. If ZOS would want it they could unbind all crown store items. You dont buy stuff from MICROSOFT when you buy eso stuff. You buy crowns from ZOS. Purchases in eso do not work like in other games. With that being said i think you did not read our solution to make it work without changing any crown store/binding settings. Your bound items would still be yours and no one can take them from you by placing it in his inventory. Read my comment abive carefuly.

@Surgee
No I'm talking about the topic.
The house is owned by the account. The account for consoles is the Xbox live or PSN account.

It has everything to do with Xbox live and PSN because when we group, chat, Mail, join a guild, whisper, etc. All of that is our Xbox live account.

I have the game on PC too so I know what I'm saying. On PC you have a ZOS account so for tickets our ZOS account is linked to the Xbox live account.

In order to accomplish what you want.....the game would instead have to not sale the house via crowns , not have any eso plus benefits and limit the house to ingame gold as well as limit the house per character. Basically you'd have to redesign the whole game because pets, mounts, bank, guilds, etc would need to be cut off.

Essentially anything that involves crowns or eso Plus cannot work they way you're describing it because of how the accounts have to work.

Chat in game is not related to xbox live chat - it's a separate service. When xbox live group chat is down, ESO chat works fine.
Mailbox is not related to Xbox live account in any deeper way - some mails come only to your character while other mail can be read account wide which proves this is a simple setting per email (lets say accountwide - true)
As for the crown store purchase s- You don't get invoices per item purchased in ESO, but an invoice for crowns (from MS), and because it's crowns that you buy, anything you buy with that crowns is not related directly to your xbox live account, but to ESO account that is created and linked to your xbox live account. That's why sharing stuff like Imperial edition and anything else on 2 xbox ones is impossible with ESO, but possible with any other game where purchases are done through the marketplace. ESO as a game is directly connected to your xbox live gamertag, but everything inside of ESO is only connected to ESO account which was automatically created when you first logged in to ESO and linked to your Gamertag. When you have a problem with your in-game characters, you do not contact xbox live support, but ESO customer support. When you report a player you report a player with ESO reporting tool, not xbox live reporting tool.
Anyway, this all doesn't really matter, as sharing of a home can be easily done without interfering into any bound stuff.

Surgee wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

I understand what you mean, but it still isn't against the ToS because there is nothing in the ToS concerning houses. They already get complaints from people raiding your guild bank and stealing everything because they gave the wrong person access... None of the these companies give any sort of refund when this happens because it's obvious you take the risk upon yourself when allowing people total access.

Also, no one would ever lose a single crown with the solution I mentioned above. Crown items cannot be transfered if I remember correctly? (Unless they went p2w and now allow you to make profit from crowns directly instead of through just motifs) So therefore all these bound items are in no way in danger of being stolen, regardless of whether or not you are the owner or co-owner.

Yep. items can stay bound as you said, it's safer that way. I just wish bound items could be placed in co-owned house.
Sorry for spamming the topic! hehe.

I think they should allow co-owners to place bound items as well. Like I said, if the owner of the house decides to remove the item that belongs to a co-owner, it is simply mailed to the person it's bound to if it's furniture. Pets, assistants and mounts will just be removed since they don't go to the inventory. Same if they completely remove the person from the co-owner list or ban them.

Keep the topic going, the more people that are the better, the more people that provide input the better. It's a system that I feel should have been included with the release of Homestead.

I just feel the whole homestead thing was misleading as they said you could move in together and take your pledge of Mara to the next level, just us in this forums gave the developers plenty of options to make this work...the community is begging you zos pleaseeeeee. I live and play with my wife to be and we were expecting the ability to build a home together. Not just sit idle as the other does all the work.

Lots of people are saying just it's pointless to have this system because you can simply visit the home but you do not have that option if the owner is offline. Plus it's nice and very fun to build it together.

So to recap our ideas from the forum. ONE actual owner to the home. You can grant permission to a pledged player to be "co-owner" status. But because of purchasing issues and possibly the outcome of "divorce" the house in reality is owned by one player. The co-owner can see the house under their owned houses or possibly under another tab of "co-owned" houses so they have the ability to travel there if the actual owner is offline.

As far as furnishings go. Both players can place items freely. Crown items would be bound to each player individually. In the event of separation the owners things would stay as they are. The previous "Co owner's" crown goods would be returned to them in the mail. Or a disclaimer to Co owner that goods placed in owners house may be lost if they lose privileges, however zos would choose to do it. This would eliminate zos from having to deal QQ's about goods in the event of a seperation. We don't want to create a situation that would make work for zos or its not gonna happen.

Bound items not belonging to you would not be able to be picked up. In the event a person loads someone's house with bound items the owner doesn't want possibly have an option for owner to return item to co owner. Cause I can see the next person bringing up that being an issue.

Many people are mentioning houses are bound to accounts and not characters and this system will not work because of that fact...Wrong. Only the one pledged character, "Co owner" would have permission to enter the home of the owner. If the owner wanted additional characters of the Co owner to enter the home that would require an additional pledge. Owner makes an alt or one he/she already has, and again pledges with "Co owner" alt. That way both characters of Co owner can enter home...another pledge sale! This would be incredibly valuable for zos to have as pledge sales would suddenly skyrocket. Level capped player that don't need a pledge for xp boost would suddenly be buying pledges just for this benefit. More sales... Co owner buying more home goods...more sales.

It's like zos is saying no to more money at the present time which to me doesn't sound like a good idea as a business as well as ignoring a request made by a huge number of players in your community. Make this happen and you will reap the benefits. Good for us...good for zos!

Good job so far zos we love the update we are just begging you for one additional feature.

I think we are getting off topic with this account binding issue. I think I've already offered a solution to that.

koralr33fer wrote: »

Many people are mentioning houses are bound to accounts and not characters and this system will not work because of that fact...Wrong. Only the one pledged character, "Co owner" would have permission to place items in the home of the owner. If the owner wanted additional characters of the Co owner to enter the home that would require an additional pledge. Owner makes an alt or one he/she already has, and again pledges with "Co owner" alt. That way both characters of Co owner can enter home...another pledge sale! This would be incredibly valuable for zos to have as pledge sales would suddenly skyrocket. Level capped player that don't need a pledge for xp boost would suddenly be buying pledges just for this benefit. More sales... Co owner buying more home goods...more sales.

We not not looking to change how current purchases are done or in reality to share ownership of ANYTHING. So why do you keep bringing up the xbox and PS account issue. If you READ my previous post, nothing is actually shared between 2 accounts. Everything would be purchased as owned as they currently are. Only thing we are looking for is to allow another player PERMISSION to place items in a home not belonging to them, a home that the OWNER has given the "co-owner" (another player given a special permission, they do not actually partially own) a special permission to use.

I'm not trying to argue just trying to understand why this keeps getting brought up?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

But co-ownership could be a feature within the game. Not xbox live. Everything is bound to each account so they are in reality not sharing anything. Owner has house bound to them and items purchased are bound to separate accounts. We are just looking to share a space which is completely in zos control. When we say co-owning I don't mean that literally you both own the house, but the other player I've been calling Co owner has similar abilities to modify the home. Everything would be assigned to one person or account just a shared space in elder scrolls. And my previous post addresses possible issues as far as separating accounts when "divorce" occurs. The Co owner just has ability to travel to home and place items even though they don't literally own the house or others person's purchased goods inside.

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The reason is that houses, mounts, gear, items, crowns and ESO Plus is tied to the account

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Surgee

Let's say a couple go separate ways. Zos shouldn't have to deal with it and
So you cannot share equally in game.

Besides, everything is either account or character based. None is dual account based.

Na. That's very simple to solve. I don't mean TOTAL shared control. Just ranks like in guild with permissions. There is still ONE owner, but this owner can give permissions such as inviting other visitors and placing and removing items to another player. The person who bought the house still has the real control, just like the guild master.

@Surgee

No it's actually not simple to solve. See this game is also on consoles so those account are not ZOS, they are Sony and Xbox accounts as our purchases are through Sony and Xbox....not ZOS and in the game our accounts are our gamertag and PSN ids

They'd have to rework the entire account system on consoles just to allow something in houses that doesn't add any value to gameplay at all


It's not character based it's account based so ranks are still tied to the account not a character. Everything is account based like the bank, guilds, so while ZOS has individual character achievements.

The account still shares progress

That's not true at all. Changing any BOUND/ACCOUNT wide settings is not hard at all. It's just item parameter that can be edited. Bound = true/false or anytihng simple like that Of course changes like this have to be tested and can affect other parts of the game, but it's nowhere near what you're saying. Devs don't have to change the entire game code to make one item or another ESO account bound. It has been done with several items before and crown store items are no different. They just keep it bound to prevent people making money out off crown store items.
Even with items being bound, there are simple solutions without changing it. Just read above.

@Surgee

ZOS doesn't have access to change it. That's the context I hoped to share.

ESO Plus is through Xbox and Sony

The benefits are from ZOS so it's seperate
My crowns are from ZOS
My purchase is to Xbox/Sony and ZOS can't seperate the two

My save file is on the ZOS server but a copy is on the Xbox cloud. I can delete the Xbox one but not the ZOS files.

Xbox doesn't allow accounts to share in the way you describe. There are family settings but it's seperate from the game developers.


ZOS has to develop their game to align with Xbox and Sony.....not the other way around.

Some things are designed intentionally not to share

I think you are talking about something completely different. Again, this has nothing to do with the xbox live. Its how the game is set ot be and nothing else. If ZOS would want it they could unbind all crown store items. You dont buy stuff from MICROSOFT when you buy eso stuff. You buy crowns from ZOS. Purchases in eso do not work like in other games. With that being said i think you did not read our solution to make it work without changing any crown store/binding settings. Your bound items would still be yours and no one can take them from you by placing it in his inventory. Read my comment abive carefuly.

@Surgee
No I'm talking about the topic.
The house is owned by the account. The account for consoles is the Xbox live or PSN account.

It has everything to do with Xbox live and PSN because when we group, chat, Mail, join a guild, whisper, etc. All of that is our Xbox live account.

I have the game on PC too so I know what I'm saying. On PC you have a ZOS account so for tickets our ZOS account is linked to the Xbox live account.

In order to accomplish what you want.....the game would instead have to not sale the house via crowns , not have any eso plus benefits and limit the house to ingame gold as well as limit the house per character. Basically you'd have to redesign the whole game because pets, mounts, bank, guilds, etc would need to be cut off.

Essentially anything that involves crowns or eso Plus cannot work they way you're describing it because of how the accounts have to work.

Chat in game is not related to xbox live chat - it's a separate service. When xbox live group chat is down, ESO chat works fine.
Mailbox is not related to Xbox live account in any deeper way - some mails come only to your character while other mail can be read account wide which proves this is a simple setting per email (lets say accountwide - true)
As for the crown store purchase s- You don't get invoices per item purchased in ESO, but an invoice for crowns (from MS), and because it's crowns that you buy, anything you buy with that crowns is not related directly to your xbox live account, but to ESO account that is created and linked to your xbox live account. That's why sharing stuff like Imperial edition and anything else on 2 xbox ones is impossible with ESO, but possible with any other game where purchases are done through the marketplace. ESO as a game is directly connected to your xbox live gamertag, but everything inside of ESO is only connected to ESO account which was automatically created when you first logged in to ESO and linked to your Gamertag. When you have a problem with your in-game characters, you do not contact xbox live support, but ESO customer support. When you report a player you report a player with ESO reporting tool, not xbox live reporting tool.
Anyway, this all doesn't really matter, as sharing of a home can be easily done without interfering into any bound stuff.

@Surgee

Not sure if you're just arguing to argue or if you don't understand or play on consoles.

It's all account bound and the account is the Xbox live account. It's really that barrier and if you go to the FAQ / support pages here it's made very clear

The only reason I have a ZOS account is because I'm a PC transfer. Otherwise you would just have your forum account and your Xbox live account.

You're now mixing up two parts in your argument trying to suggest what isn't accurate.

The items which are under real money are aligned with your account. The actual monetary exchange of real money only occurs between the customer and Xbox or the customer and PSN.

The crowns and eso plus are the ZOS currency which unlocks items and features ...which again is all aligned under the Xbox live or PSN account.

Your house, costumes, ESO plus, etc belong to the account. ZOS handles the save but the account that the save is aligned under is not a ZOS account, it's a ZOS save file aligned with an Xbox live or PSN account.

Point blank, if you are banned, your Xbox live or PSN account is banned which means the save, the crowns, the house, the features all go away.

You can create a new Xbox live profile or PSN if and buy the game again or use your disc but all the crown or ESO plus items cannot be accessed because the account is not a ZOS account.

In reverse if you're banned from Xbox live or PSN....you can't play your eso save under another Xbox live or PSN account.

The house is "account bound".
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/28399/kw/Console account

Updated 01/19/2016 05:54 PM Published 04/16/2015 03:19 PM
Accounts for The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited on console are each tied to a unique PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account. Attempts to link a different PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account to an ESOTU console account will result in an error.

I don't want to argue but I'm 100% sure that you are wrong and you're digging in the wrong area. It happens that I'm a UI and UX designer working on many systems connected in a very similar way. While some things that you mentioned are present, the way it work in the backend is completely different from what you're describing. I will not go on with this discussion anymore, as you seem to not understand the basic principles This is nothing personal, mate. You're also completely missing the point that we've given solutions that would not interfere in anything being unbound. Trying to prove your point about accounts is not helping or solving any issues.
Even if it would be as you say (and it's not) this doesn't stop ZOS at all from implementing the solutions we've mentioned.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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Updated 01/19/2016 05:54 PM Published 04/16/2015 03:19 PM
Accounts for The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited on console are each tied to a unique PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account. Attempts to link a different PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account to an ESOTU console account will result in an error.

Thank you for posting this last bit. It actually proves my point very well
Read carefully.
ACCOUNTS for elder scrolls (so elder scrolls has it's own accounts) are TIED (keyword, TIED!) to a unique XBOX LIVE ACCOUNT. Exactly what I've explained. There are 2 accounts linked to each other. *drops mic*

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

I realize that you are saying the home is owned through a player's XBOX or PS account. Fine. But permissions on how that ownership is used is strictly within the game. Not looking to share ownership. Just like how other players can interact with another person's purchased property now by moving objects. WE would just like the other players to have the ability to place items of their own in this space.

@koralr33fer
No the permissions are account....that's the road block. What determines IF you can take something from your inventory (inv is account based and items in the inventory are account bound) is what prevents co-sharing ownership because it's not just the house, it's everything in, around, combined.

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

But co-ownership could be a feature within the game. Not xbox live. Everything is bound to each account so they are in reality not sharing anything. Owner has house bound to them and items purchased are bound to separate accounts. We are just looking to share a space which is completely in zos control. When we say co-owning I don't mean that literally you both own the house, but the other player I've been calling Co owner has similar abilities to modify the home. Everything would be assigned to one person or account just a shared space in elder scrolls. And my previous post addresses possible issues as far as separating accounts when "divorce" occurs. The Co owner just has ability to travel to home and place items even though they don't literally own the house or others person's purchased goods inside.

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Surgee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The reason is that houses, mounts, gear, items, crowns and ESO Plus is tied to the account

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Surgee

Let's say a couple go separate ways. Zos shouldn't have to deal with it and
So you cannot share equally in game.

Besides, everything is either account or character based. None is dual account based.

Na. That's very simple to solve. I don't mean TOTAL shared control. Just ranks like in guild with permissions. There is still ONE owner, but this owner can give permissions such as inviting other visitors and placing and removing items to another player. The person who bought the house still has the real control, just like the guild master.

@Surgee

No it's actually not simple to solve. See this game is also on consoles so those account are not ZOS, they are Sony and Xbox accounts as our purchases are through Sony and Xbox....not ZOS and in the game our accounts are our gamertag and PSN ids

They'd have to rework the entire account system on consoles just to allow something in houses that doesn't add any value to gameplay at all


It's not character based it's account based so ranks are still tied to the account not a character. Everything is account based like the bank, guilds, so while ZOS has individual character achievements.

The account still shares progress

That's not true at all. Changing any BOUND/ACCOUNT wide settings is not hard at all. It's just item parameter that can be edited. Bound = true/false or anytihng simple like that Of course changes like this have to be tested and can affect other parts of the game, but it's nowhere near what you're saying. Devs don't have to change the entire game code to make one item or another ESO account bound. It has been done with several items before and crown store items are no different. They just keep it bound to prevent people making money out off crown store items.
Even with items being bound, there are simple solutions without changing it. Just read above.

@Surgee

ZOS doesn't have access to change it. That's the context I hoped to share.

ESO Plus is through Xbox and Sony

The benefits are from ZOS so it's seperate
My crowns are from ZOS
My purchase is to Xbox/Sony and ZOS can't seperate the two

My save file is on the ZOS server but a copy is on the Xbox cloud. I can delete the Xbox one but not the ZOS files.

Xbox doesn't allow accounts to share in the way you describe. There are family settings but it's seperate from the game developers.


ZOS has to develop their game to align with Xbox and Sony.....not the other way around.

Some things are designed intentionally not to share

I think you are talking about something completely different. Again, this has nothing to do with the xbox live. Its how the game is set ot be and nothing else. If ZOS would want it they could unbind all crown store items. You dont buy stuff from MICROSOFT when you buy eso stuff. You buy crowns from ZOS. Purchases in eso do not work like in other games. With that being said i think you did not read our solution to make it work without changing any crown store/binding settings. Your bound items would still be yours and no one can take them from you by placing it in his inventory. Read my comment abive carefuly.

@Surgee
No I'm talking about the topic.
The house is owned by the account. The account for consoles is the Xbox live or PSN account.

It has everything to do with Xbox live and PSN because when we group, chat, Mail, join a guild, whisper, etc. All of that is our Xbox live account.

I have the game on PC too so I know what I'm saying. On PC you have a ZOS account so for tickets our ZOS account is linked to the Xbox live account.

In order to accomplish what you want.....the game would instead have to not sale the house via crowns , not have any eso plus benefits and limit the house to ingame gold as well as limit the house per character. Basically you'd have to redesign the whole game because pets, mounts, bank, guilds, etc would need to be cut off.

Essentially anything that involves crowns or eso Plus cannot work they way you're describing it because of how the accounts have to work.

Chat in game is not related to xbox live chat - it's a separate service. When xbox live group chat is down, ESO chat works fine.
Mailbox is not related to Xbox live account in any deeper way - some mails come only to your character while other mail can be read account wide which proves this is a simple setting per email (lets say accountwide - true)
As for the crown store purchase s- You don't get invoices per item purchased in ESO, but an invoice for crowns (from MS), and because it's crowns that you buy, anything you buy with that crowns is not related directly to your xbox live account, but to ESO account that is created and linked to your xbox live account. That's why sharing stuff like Imperial edition and anything else on 2 xbox ones is impossible with ESO, but possible with any other game where purchases are done through the marketplace. ESO as a game is directly connected to your xbox live gamertag, but everything inside of ESO is only connected to ESO account which was automatically created when you first logged in to ESO and linked to your Gamertag. When you have a problem with your in-game characters, you do not contact xbox live support, but ESO customer support. When you report a player you report a player with ESO reporting tool, not xbox live reporting tool.
Anyway, this all doesn't really matter, as sharing of a home can be easily done without interfering into any bound stuff.

@Surgee

Not sure if you're just arguing to argue or if you don't understand or play on consoles.

It's all account bound and the account is the Xbox live account. It's really that barrier and if you go to the FAQ / support pages here it's made very clear

The only reason I have a ZOS account is because I'm a PC transfer. Otherwise you would just have your forum account and your Xbox live account.

You're now mixing up two parts in your argument trying to suggest what isn't accurate.

The items which are under real money are aligned with your account. The actual monetary exchange of real money only occurs between the customer and Xbox or the customer and PSN.

The crowns and eso plus are the ZOS currency which unlocks items and features ...which again is all aligned under the Xbox live or PSN account.

Your house, costumes, ESO plus, etc belong to the account. ZOS handles the save but the account that the save is aligned under is not a ZOS account, it's a ZOS save file aligned with an Xbox live or PSN account.

Point blank, if you are banned, your Xbox live or PSN account is banned which means the save, the crowns, the house, the features all go away.

You can create a new Xbox live profile or PSN if and buy the game again or use your disc but all the crown or ESO plus items cannot be accessed because the account is not a ZOS account.

In reverse if you're banned from Xbox live or PSN....you can't play your eso save under another Xbox live or PSN account.

The house is "account bound".
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/28399/kw/Console account

Updated 01/19/2016 05:54 PM Published 04/16/2015 03:19 PM
Accounts for The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited on console are each tied to a unique PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account. Attempts to link a different PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account to an ESOTU console account will result in an error.

I don't want to argue but I'm 100% sure that you are wrong and you're digging in the wrong area. It happens that I'm a UI and UX designer working on many systems connected in a very similar way. While some things that you mentioned are present, the way it work in the backend is completely different from what you're describing. I will not go on with this discussion anymore, as you seem to not understand the basic principles This is nothing personal, mate. You're also completely missing the point that we've given solutions that would not interfere in anything being unbound. Trying to prove your point about accounts is not helping or solving any issues.
Even if it would be as you say (and it's not) this doesn't stop ZOS at all from implementing the solutions we've mentioned.

@Surgee

Being a UI and UX designer has Nothing to do with the current design. It's not that a small change here or there makes it possible, it's a redesign of the code because the items, guild, permissions, bank, mail are all account controlled.

I wrote initially that the only way is to "redesign" the whole code around how an account behaves and code everything down to a per character base.

You're basically looking at rebuilding the core part of the games systems.

The solutions are ignoring the common and most important part....the account.

Before you try and solve for this idea, you have to first solve for what is allowed not what a programmer or UI developer or designer can create.


I'm not sure that you actually understand because I'm your last quote and comment your words suggest that you interpret that the account and the Xbox live gamertag are two seperate things.

They are one in the same.....that's what I'm sharing, it's not two seperate things.

The save file which ZOS owns and controls on their server only works with the Xbox live account. The account is the save, the profile, the settings, etc. it's one thing not seperate therefore because the digital rights of each item is purchased through Xbox live, ZOS aligned those purchases in their currency as crowns. That currency unlocks a digital license to an account, that account is the Xbox live, PSN, etc.

Each user has one or more but they are seperate and therefore, to share a purchase, that's account based, it's bigger than just what ZOS wants to do.

That's the part you're skipping over which has to be addressed.

You just said in your own post by quoting ZOS, that I'm right and you are wrong. Please read it. What's wrong with you? You will now argue with ZOS that they give wrong information?

koralr33fer wrote: »

I just feel the whole homestead thing was misleading as they said you could move in together and take your pledge of Mara to the next level, just us in this forums gave the developers plenty of options to make this work...the community is begging you zos pleaseeeeee. I live and play with my wife to be and we were expecting the ability to build a home together. Not just sit idle as the other does all the work.

Lots of people are saying just it's pointless to have this system because you can simply visit the home but you do not have that option if the owner is offline. Plus it's nice and very fun to build it together.

So to recap our ideas from the forum. ONE actual owner to the home. You can grant permission to a pledged player to be "co-owner" status. But because of purchasing issues and possibly the outcome of "divorce" the house in reality is owned by one player. The co-owner can see the house under their owned houses or possibly under another tab of "co-owned" houses so they have the ability to travel there if the actual owner is offline.

As far as furnishings go. Both players can place items freely. Crown items would be bound to each player individually. In the event of separation the owners things would stay as they are. The previous "Co owner's" crown goods would be returned to them in the mail. Or a disclaimer to Co owner that goods placed in owners house may be lost if they lose privileges, however zos would choose to do it. This would eliminate zos from having to deal QQ's about goods in the event of a seperation. We don't want to create a situation that would make work for zos or its not gonna happen.

Bound items not belonging to you would not be able to be picked up. In the event a person loads someone's house with bound items the owner doesn't want possibly have an option for owner to return item to co owner. Cause I can see the next person bringing up that being an issue.

Many people are mentioning houses are bound to accounts and not characters and this system will not work because of that fact...Wrong. Only the one pledged character, "Co owner" would have permission to enter the home of the owner. If the owner wanted additional characters of the Co owner to enter the home that would require an additional pledge. Owner makes an alt or one he/she already has, and again pledges with "Co owner" alt. That way both characters of Co owner can enter home...another pledge sale! This would be incredibly valuable for zos to have as pledge sales would suddenly skyrocket. Level capped player that don't need a pledge for xp boost would suddenly be buying pledges just for this benefit. More sales... Co owner buying more home goods...more sales.

It's like zos is saying no to more money at the present time which to me doesn't sound like a good idea as a business as well as ignoring a request made by a huge number of players in your community. Make this happen and you will reap the benefits. Good for us...good for zos!

Good job so far zos we love the update we are just begging you for one additional feature.

What SPECIFICALLY in this post would be an issue, because of items and houses being bound to accounts. Nothing is shared. You can move another person's items with decorator PERMISSION which you say cannot happen because permission is a road block...you arent making sense.

koralr33fer wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Each user has one or more but they are seperate and therefore, to share a purchase, that's account based, it's bigger than just what ZOS wants to do.

That's the part you're skipping over which has to be addressed.

So everyone else in my home who plays ESO was asked to link their Xbox live profile to a ZOS account and supply an email. You can skip that step so it's important to understand that the way Xbox players play eso isn't through a ZOS account.

That's the roadblock it's through an Xbox live gold account or family

@NewBlacksmurf
If you read longer post, which clearly you havent, it's not litterally shared ownership.... before you continue arguing read it and see what we are suggesting. I clearly put co owner in quotes because i do not mean share ownership. Just a single character that has a special ability to place items of their own in a virtual space owned by ZOS not xbox live.

The items are account bound....

koralr33fer wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

koralr33fer wrote: »

I realize that you are saying the home is owned through a player's XBOX or PS account. Fine. But permissions on how that ownership is used is strictly within the game. Not looking to share ownership. Just like how other players can interact with another person's purchased property now by moving objects. WE would just like the other players to have the ability to place items of their own in this space.

@koralr33fer
No the permissions are account....that's the road block. What determines IF you can take something from your inventory (inv is account based and items in the inventory are account bound) is what prevents co-sharing ownership because it's not just the house, it's everything in, around, combined.

NewBlackSmurf if what you are saying was true and you didnt have permission to access anything owned by another player...
The decorator feature wouldnt work...currently other players can interact and move items not owned by them, in a house not owned by them. And you can. Other players can interact with personal merchants and bankers not owned by them if they are grouped. Another gap in your account issues. You are saying permission is a road block...currently you have permission to interact with another person's belongings with no issue. You are acting like in no way shape or form can another person interact with another person's belongings which are bound to another account. It just isnt true. And I'm not saying players can interact with items in another persons inventory. Each player can place items in the house from their own inventory.

And if you read my previous longer post you can see that the items in the house would still be bound to players individually. We are burying useful information on this topic arguing about accounts that doesnt seem to make any sense.

Moving an item that another account owns which was placed by the owner in the owners owned home.....that is completely different from the idea of a non owner placing an item in another owners home. The items belong to the account in many cases. I've not checked every housing item but those which aren't account bound, you'd give to the owner and let them place it and the decorator would then move the owners, owned items around which is exactly what exists now and needs no changes.

Haha I see divorce court implemented in eso...how would you split up the items if both parties would split ways?

koralr33fer wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf u said..
"The items are account bound.... BRUH"

"Moving an item that another account owns which was placed by the owner in the owners owned home.....that is completely different from the idea of a non owner placing an item in another owners home. The items belong to the account in many cases. I've not checked every housing item but those which aren't account bound, you'd give to the owner and let them place it and the decorator would then move the owners, owned items around which is exactly what exists now and needs no changes."


Again this is already addressed in my post, do me a favor. Stop posting for a second and READ!

I said...

As far as furnishings go. Both players can place items freely. Crown items would be bound to each player individually. In the event of separation the owners things would stay as they are. The previous "Co owner's" crown goods would be returned to them in the mail. Or a disclaimer to Co owner that goods placed in owners house may be lost if they lose privileges, however zos would choose to do it. This would eliminate zos from having to deal QQ's about goods in the event of a seperation. We don't want to create a situation that would make work for zos or its not gonna happen.

So again not sharing any account bound items...just abiity to place them. EVERYTHING stays in the POSSESSION of ONE account.....

@koralr33fer

The items are:
Bound, collected or blank. The blank items you simply give to the owner to place and if you're a decorator, you move em.....no changes are necessary as that exists now. Even simpler, start a guild with your spouse and add others who would also have decorator privileges and drop items in the bank that are "blank". That's works now....no changes are needed and that has built in privaledges through the guild of who can deposit and remove items from thank bank which then only requires the home owner to pull and drop items for decorator access.


That is what I wrote in my comment earlier.

Regarding reading........I've read every comment at least 4 times and always before I post to make sure I'm not writing out of context, you skipped past the rest of my comment which was under the next quote and important to read because it continues the whole though of all related posts.

What you don't seem to understand tho on the blank items.....the placement of any item is subject to the owner. The owners home is subject to the account and the allowances are subject to the slots which can change if you have eso plus.

It all still is connect to the account and that drives everything.

If in your suggested idea you caveat things, and ZOS makes sweeping changes then it's possible but that then blocks other features and becomes impossible.....in the way it works which almost everyone likes other than those who won't use the options available which are pretty nice.

Your ideas require things or caveats Such as:
-If the home were purchased in gold only
-if all items were crafted and no crown store items were allowed
-if no eso plus were in play
-if no home was account owner but set to some group like the guild not a player cause the player is still account driven
-no crown pets, mounts or assistants
-no bound or collected items from account achievements



Edit:
But who wants that....it's very limiting and restrictive. As is....one persons account who has the most benefits, unlocks and features should own the home and everyone else, use maybe a guild along with decorator and that co-ownership model exists now and it's not flawed. The only limit is the owners account limits.....but that is going to be in play with your ideas.