Raid Healers: How's the Homestead Patch?

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

Just looking to open a discussion about raid healing post-homestead.

I honestly don't mind the changes with minor magic steal. Radiant aura is pretty nice, the range is huge (which will get you into trouble sometimes as it does pull agro); the only thing I would say about it is that it is really hard to tell if it's been applied or if it has worn off, it does the little glow thing but then disappears (I'm on console, no buff timers). Can anyone tell me if RA is aoe capped at 6? I'm pretty sure it is, but would like comformation.

I started running ele suseptibilty as a sort of 'set it and forget it' as I'm constantly smacking the boss with staff attacks to proc poisons(minor breach) or throwing shards but I'm still not sure about it. Have to do some more testing.

Siphon spirit and quick siphon I don't really see the point in using too much as you could drop a blood alter in an add-pull or have the off-tank drop one on the boss.

How do you guys feel about Homestead raid healing?

Tasear · February 2017

Templar raid healers got another buff >.>

But what interests me is the non-class related support skill. Blood altar... I love how strong it is now. Since it's there is no full stamina healers.... I hoping this never gets a nerf. It has so much potential now so I am starry eyed.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

There was a post earlier on the forums about the warden potentially being a stam healer which would be interesting, but difficult to see as no stam weapons are in anyway affiliated with healing.

A powerfull assault wearing stamwarden healer would be interesting tho. Not sure how viable given current game play and the things I've already heard about the warden, but interesting.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2017

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

TARAFRAKA · February 2017

Did our first vmol since patch tonight then hardmode AA.
Tank told me after AA, he LOVES radiant aura, i was the one healing him on the side with axes and he said he never ran out of magic.
In maw, it was amazing as well, did notice i pulled more aggro, like on the big pull before twins, the little cursed monks kept chasing me when i hit it lol. But i just pop a ward or move and im fine.

Now the sustain is awful for my mag dps of course since ele and aura dont stack anymore, but it was a buff for us, nerf for them.
Not really a buff, just made my bar simpler and less time applying ele to each add even though it dies in .2 seconds.
Just have to send out MUCH more orbs now. Notice my dps are chasing those things down now as opposed to letting them float by like they used to occasionally lmao.

Edit: also took number 1 maw score but I doubt the healer changes had much to do with that

Cellentel · February 2017

Does the "once per second" cooldown on Minor Magickasteal apply per player, or per enemy? In other words, is there any difference in magicka stored if you're aoeing multiple enemies each second versus attack a single target each second?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2017

dws90 wrote: »

Does the "once per second" cooldown on Minor Magickasteal apply per player, or per enemy? In other words, is there any difference in magicka stored if you're aoeing multiple enemies each second versus attack a single target each second?

Per player, no matter the quantity of mobs with the debuff, you still only get 400

TARAFRAKA · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

TARAFRAKA · February 2017

dws90 wrote: »

Does the "once per second" cooldown on Minor Magickasteal apply per player, or per enemy? In other words, is there any difference in magicka stored if you're aoeing multiple enemies each second versus attack a single target each second?

Unfortunately, it does NOT stack, youll only get 400 back per second no matter what, but now we as healers dont need to worry that someone is finishing off a pesky add that doesnt have ele up on it and now they are out of magic. It is an amazing skill, only way itd be better waa if the 400 could stack off multiple enemies. But that may be OP. End uo with like 30000 magic back per second lol.

xblackroxe · February 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

TARAFRAKA · February 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

Our tanks sustain without shards. I only put it on tonight for final boss in hardmode AA due to the axes being a severe strain bc the tanks have to permablock up to 4.
If your tank manages resources correctly, you should have no stam problems whatsoever, even on Rakkhat. Also, if they do it right with correct management, dps have no stam issues either.
If the mag dps are needing to block that much, the tanks are NOT doing their job.

DschiPeunt · February 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

Our tanks sustain without shards. I only put it on tonight for final boss in hardmode AA due to the axes being a severe strain bc the tanks have to permablock up to 4.
If your tank manages resources correctly, you should have no stam problems whatsoever, even on Rakkhat. Also, if they do it right with correct management, dps have no stam issues either.
If the mag dps are needing to block that much, the tanks are NOT doing their job.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure, that the Hodor tanks need a lesson from you.

TARAFRAKA · February 2017

Ugh. So done.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with @xblackroxe , but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

TARAFRAKA · February 2017

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with xblackroxe, but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

That was exactly my point. All i was saying. Theres 2 healers do its not like you cant have both. Or neither! People can rock whatever they want!
As usual, people on the forums have to go tje snide passive aggressive route.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Did our first vmol since patch tonight then hardmode AA.
Tank told me after AA, he LOVES radiant aura, i was the one healing him on the side with axes and he said he never ran out of magic.
In maw, it was amazing as well, did notice i pulled more aggro, like on the big pull before twins, the little cursed monks kept chasing me when i hit it lol. But i just pop a ward or move and im fine.

Now the sustain is awful for my mag dps of course since ele and aura dont stack anymore, but it was a buff for us, nerf for them.
Not really a buff, just made my bar simpler and less time applying ele to each add even though it dies in .2 seconds.
Just have to send out MUCH more orbs now. Notice my dps are chasing those things down now as opposed to letting them float by like they used to occasionally lmao.

Edit: also took number 1 maw score but I doubt the healer changes had much to do with that

You can also start pulls accidentally because the range is so large (found out the hard way

lol)

I'm curious about the simpler bar tho. How are you achieving simplicity? I mean I'm pretty much doing the same thing I was before with ele drain that I'm doing with the armour break, only now I'm hitting an extra button for the magic steal. Wouldn't just throwing up ele drain be simpler? I have yet to try out the old method as I was pretty hyped about aoe magic steal lol.

DschiPeunt · February 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with xblackroxe, but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

That was exactly my point. All i was saying. Theres 2 healers do its not like you cant have both. Or neither! People can rock whatever they want!
As usual, people on the forums have to go tje snide passive aggressive route.

If that would've been your point, why didn't you say so?

If someone says, that they need it for the tanks and you answer by saying, that they wouldn't need it, if they managed their resources correctly, you are saying, that they don't manage their resources correctly. Same goes for the part with the stamina and magicka DDs.

Don't act like a know-it-all and start crying, if you're called out on it.

xblackroxe · February 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

Our tanks sustain without shards. I only put it on tonight for final boss in hardmode AA due to the axes being a severe strain bc the tanks have to permablock up to 4.
If your tank manages resources correctly, you should have no stam problems whatsoever, even on Rakkhat. Also, if they do it right with correct management, dps have no stam issues either.
If the mag dps are needing to block that much, the tanks are NOT doing their job.

Shards are key for our tanks. Our offtank is in medium armour dodging attacks left and right while everybody is sprinting when not damaging and blocking in melee range. The stam is definitely needed. Also its a synergy for alkosh. And shards deal damage which is always welcome.

If every mob thats around is stacked on 1 position things like the s&b guy in mol will probably kill you without blocking and if 2 are stacked together and sync their aoe you are 100% dead withou block. Also better safe than sorry and 1 dies and we have to restart again.

EDIT: if the off tanks timing isn't perfect half the group is gonna be shattered so even more reason to block.

xblackroxe · February 2017

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with @xblackroxe , but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

Sure it is possible but its just not needed. For aoe the sustain is mainly from orbs anyway and for the boss and that 1 or 2 adds you dont need an aoe magicka steal either.

You are right ofc that both healers dont need repent but they don't do that anyways. No need for redundancy and slots are precious for healers anyway.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

I disagree with this as I think blood alter, while not a super HOT can come in quite clutch when u need just a little bit more healing and it's healing that you don't have to do yourself, so that's always welcome.

Edit: I should also say that I've never run blood alter on my healer I've always had an off-tank willing to run it but it would be possible to run on a healer, not as convenient but possible.

xblackroxe wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with @xblackroxe , but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

Sure it is possible but its just not needed. For aoe the sustain is mainly from orbs anyway and for the boss and that 1 or 2 adds you dont need an aoe magicka steal either.

You are right ofc that both healers dont need repent but they don't do that anyways. No need for redundancy and slots are precious for healers anyway.

@xblackroxe I'm curious do you guys use just the two orb morphs or all three?

xblackroxe · February 2017

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

I disagree with this as I think blood alter, while not a super HOT can come in quite clutch when u need just a little bit more healing and it's healing that you don't have to do yourself, so that's always welcome.

Edit: I should also say that I've never run blood alter on my healer I've always had an off-tank willing to run it but it would be possible to run on a healer, not as convenient but possible.

xblackroxe wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with @xblackroxe , but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

Sure it is possible but its just not needed. For aoe the sustain is mainly from orbs anyway and for the boss and that 1 or 2 adds you dont need an aoe magicka steal either.

You are right ofc that both healers dont need repent but they don't do that anyways. No need for redundancy and slots are precious for healers anyway.

@xblackroxe I'm curious do you guys use just the two orb morphs or all three?

Only the morphs. One healer the healing morph as they actually heal really good. Tanks and the other healer the damage morph.

Dasovaruilos · February 2017

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

I disagree with this as I think blood alter, while not a super HOT can come in quite clutch when u need just a little bit more healing and it's healing that you don't have to do yourself, so that's always welcome.

Edit: I should also say that I've never run blood alter on my healer I've always had an off-tank willing to run it but it would be possible to run on a healer, not as convenient but possible.

xblackroxe wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Repentance is such a strong skill, I would never drop it. In my opinion, the only one that ought to be running it is a magtemp dps. You are right that syphon is worthless now but so is blood alter. The heal would only be around 1k on average, with buffs. Still a joke. I

We dont run any stam dps post patch (like most guilds now) so repentance is useless, trust me an AOE ele drain is more awesome than you realize. Besides you can always throw stam dps a shard if needed.

Also one of us runs quick siphon now instead of force siphon for the heal and its instant cast so also nice. Trust me, on hardmode maw that 1k may be the difference between a healer catching you with a breath of life or you dying.

Its not for stam dps. Its for tanks and people who block which on trash is every melee.
Also its not an aoe ele drain cuz the major breach is missing and even if the tanks taunt everything you still only profit once from the minor magickasteal. No point in putting it on all the mobs.

I tend to agree with @xblackroxe , but I also think it is rather short sighted to count out restoring aura. I think one healer should run RA and one run repentance so the perma blocking on add pulls is nice. As for the armour break, you can put up ele susceptibility on large adds/bosses.

However, you could also put up an ele drain which would cover both of those skills in one, you're just not getting the coverage that you would with RA. I have yet to decide which style I like best.

Also, please keep the conversation civil. We don't need this to devolve into something ridiculous.

Sure it is possible but its just not needed. For aoe the sustain is mainly from orbs anyway and for the boss and that 1 or 2 adds you dont need an aoe magicka steal either.

You are right ofc that both healers dont need repent but they don't do that anyways. No need for redundancy and slots are precious for healers anyway.

@xblackroxe I'm curious do you guys use just the two orb morphs or all three?

Only the morphs. One healer the healing morph as they actually heal really good. Tanks and the other healer the damage morph.

Yeah, that's all I've implemented on my raid teams as well. However, I've heard that the unmorphed version stacks with both morphs. Haven't tried this yet, is it a thing?
I believe you would run healing orbs on both healers and then mystic and necrotic on the tanks as the orbs would have a greater chance of passing through enemies.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

hugocbp wrote: »

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

What will you be using as an armour break? Just the tanks taunt?

Also, like I said before RA isn't bad, I just don't know if it is as efficient as ele drain.

Dasovaruilos · February 2017

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

What will you be using as an armour break? Just the tanks taunt?

Also, like I said before RA isn't bad, I just don't know if it is as efficient as ele drain.

We will test and see. Usually Ele Drain is applied only on big guys anyway. We will try to run without it to see if it is possible, but will have it ready to go if we feel like we misjudge how effective Major Breach is.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

hugocbp wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

What will you be using as an armour break? Just the tanks taunt?

Also, like I said before RA isn't bad, I just don't know if it is as efficient as ele drain.

We will test and see. Usually Ele Drain is applied only on big guys anyway. We will try to run without it to see if it is possible, but will have it ready to go if we feel like we misjudge how effective Major Breach is.

Lol I drained and aethered EVERYTHING (you'd see little spiders or crawlers with drain on them sometimes. Not intentionally, just a happy accident. Lol). Over-kill? Meh, I think it made healing a challenge: can you keep up debuffs while also providing consistent sustain and heals (healing orbs help with this balace ALOT).

Let me know how your testing goes though, I'm interested to hear how you make out.

Oompuh · February 2017

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

What will you be using as an armour break? Just the tanks taunt?

Also, like I said before RA isn't bad, I just don't know if it is as efficient as ele drain.

As I see it, everything that would have ele drain on it would be taunted (besides the Mage and her reflections, still need WtE for that) I feel that RA just helps sustain in ad pulls. Havent had a lot of raid experience this patch on Xbox because raids are laggy and DC-ridden but yeah, We'll see.

Dasovaruilos · February 2017

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

What will you be using as an armour break? Just the tanks taunt?

Also, like I said before RA isn't bad, I just don't know if it is as efficient as ele drain.

We will test and see. Usually Ele Drain is applied only on big guys anyway. We will try to run without it to see if it is possible, but will have it ready to go if we feel like we misjudge how effective Major Breach is.

Lol I drained and aethered EVERYTHING (you'd see little spiders or crawlers with drain on them sometimes. Not intentionally, just a happy accident. Lol). Over-kill? Meh, I think it made healing a challenge: can you keep up debuffs while also providing consistent sustain and heals (healing orbs help with this balace ALOT).

Let me know how your testing goes though, I'm interested to hear how you make out.

We just starting putting a team together, so our team still needs more constant healing. It is getting better, but that is why me, as the Ele Drain healer, usually only worry about applying on bosses and mini bosses. If I had time, I'd put it everywhere too! We have just completed the 3 Craglorn trials on non-HM so far, but are advancing quickly.

Can't wait to test everything out, specially Aura and another set. Healer meta has been the same for so long, hehe. It is nice to see some new stuff apparently becoming viable for trials.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

Oompuh wrote: »

NeuroAutonomy wrote: »

hugocbp wrote: »

Our guild tried last night but the servers went crazy and then went down right at the gates of vAA...

We are speculating on a bunch of stuff. We will try starting with one healer running Radiant Aura, the other Power of the Light, both running Lightning Blockade (but no Charged staves). No Drain or Siphon.

We will keep Infallible for the first bosses of AA, but try another setup without it for other bosses. We heard Mending will probably be the one to take IA's place.

The irony is that IA is still kind of required to farm Mending, hehe.

This is the baseline we are starting from considering the very small amount of information we got so far even from PC players about this specific subject.

What will you be using as an armour break? Just the tanks taunt?

Also, like I said before RA isn't bad, I just don't know if it is as efficient as ele drain.

As I see it, everything that would have ele drain on it would be taunted (besides the Mage and her reflections, still need WtE for that) I feel that RA just helps sustain in ad pulls. Havent had a lot of raid experience this patch on Xbox because raids are laggy and DC-ridden but yeah, We'll see.

Well, the issue with that is: the tanks might not taunt everything and their armour break only lasts 12sec whereas ele drain lasts for 21sec and ele susceptibility can last as long as you want provided you do damage.

Yeah, it has been extremely laggy since patch. We have only attempted hel ra and bar-swapping was terrible and we had a couple dc's the first time we went in, the next few no one dc'd but the lag was still bad.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

Just an update: after a bit of testing, I think switching back to ele drain is more efficient.

While the aoe magic steal is unique and interesting, it doesn't apply the armour break and as such forces you to either rely on the tanks taunt which only keeps the armour broken for 12sec or to apply a wte morph which means your using two skills instead of one.

NeuroAutonomy · February 2017

Here's a question: why does radiant aura pull agro when ele drain no longer does? Do you think that's intended? Does siphon spirit?

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