[Suggestion] Sanctuaries (please please oh please)
grumlins
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With the addition of dueling I have to say that the game is working overtime just to animate all of the nonsense going on inside the cities and near the wayshrines. So I'd like to make a suggestion called Sanctuary. In other MMORPGs Sanctuaries are locations that even if you are flagged or trying to duel it declines because it's an area of peace. It's a place where no faction exists and no PVP can take place.
I'd love to see this come to all of the cities in Tamriel in PVE zones because it's apparent that PVPers and Duelists have no concept of where to do things. I wonder sometimes if they just wander around making doodies anywhere they are standing in real life because that's just how annoying dueling is when you try to load into a city and you get the all too familiar "This might be a long load time" because not just one but a whole army of doofs are dueling inside the cities where crafting and banking is done.
Thank you.
I'd love to see this come to all of the cities in Tamriel in PVE zones because it's apparent that PVPers and Duelists have no concept of where to do things. I wonder sometimes if they just wander around making doodies anywhere they are standing in real life because that's just how annoying dueling is when you try to load into a city and you get the all too familiar "This might be a long load time" because not just one but a whole army of doofs are dueling inside the cities where crafting and banking is done.
Thank you.
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Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just make Auridon a sanctuary. This sounds like something the elves would do...
the Covenant doesn't mind a duel to keep the reflexes sharp.@Duiwel:Join ORDER OF SITHIS We're recruiting! PC EU"Dear Brother. I do not spread rumours. I create them..."2 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't mind dueling as long as it's kept away from places of business, like banks, crafting areas, traders, etc. The perfect place to do it is in the Arenas out away from the cities or near the Undaunted camps, since the Undaunted seem like the type who would doof around fighting each other all the time.3 -
WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?1 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.
But dueling is annoying to everyone else and creates an asston of lag. How does banking and crafting bother you or create long load times?3 -
WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.
But dueling is annoying to everyone else and creates an asston of lag. How does banking and crafting bother you or create long load times?
Do you know what annoys me? People selling things in zone chat, and people looking for group in zone chat, all sorts of things, but I don't go telling them they can't go talking in chat or doing whatever irks me where I can't see them.
I rather like watching duels, sometimes hoping someone challenges me, so the scope of "everyone else" is narrower than you think.
Lastly, the sheer number of people in an area, crafting, banking, selling, creates lag. Take Rawl'ka as an example. Sometimes I need to go to these places, or just need performance, so I turn my graphics down so my computer can handle it. Subsampling quality can be reduced without a load screen and I have found for each step down you gain 10 FPS. I, and many other players, deal with these sort of things, but we don't go around telling people what they can and cannot do. Towns belong to no one.
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What's the difference of dueling and before dueling when pve ppl would just spam AoE while waiting for a group?1 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭FloppyTouch wrote: »What's the difference of dueling and before dueling when pve ppl would just spam AoE while waiting for a group?
There's no difference in my eyes. Those kinds of players are just as responsible for creating lag and placing a burden on already overtaxed servers.0 -
WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭If the servers are overtaxed, that's on ZOS, not the players.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?1 -
WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mhmm. And it's easy to point a finger at a point-source you can identify, like an insensitive dueler or two, but much harder to do that for a non-point-source of lag, even though the sum of the latter contribute far more than the former to the lag.
I remember one day I visited Deshan and one person asked 30 people to leave the zone so she and a friend would have less lag. How do you thing we reacted to her? (It was brutal and hilarious, tbh, and went on for 10 minutes lol)
I'd also like to take a moment to address the assumption that the particle effect for skills just a significantly larger stain on the servers than mere player presence. Its completely unfounded! We actually know nothing about the load they apply to the server, all we have is guesses and intuition, which I have found is worthless when dealing with things we have no experience with. Oh, but you know what? You can actually limit the maximum number of these rendered on your screen at once to lighten the load on your computer. I personally have them set to the minimum number, and that helps in situations where they are flying all over the place, like large PvP battles. Every bit counts. Hope some of these help, because I have a feeling it may be more your computer than their servers. But then, my intuition is worthless, so...The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?1 -
Artanis✭✭it's apparent that PVPers and Duelists have no concept of where to do things.
Nah, we do have the concept of where to do things. It's just usually the cities where wayshrines are close, most ppl are gathered at, and are therefore easier to find ppl to duel with. It's not our fault for making the cities a good place to duel right? Don't blame us, blame ZOS for not making a dueling zone.
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Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Enslaved remind me again who else apart from Razum Dar assists in saving the world?Oh that's right DC!
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.
But dueling is annoying to everyone else and creates an asston of lag. How does banking and crafting bother you or create long load times?
The problem with your load times is not duels it is your pc0 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Enslaved remind me again who else apart from Razum Dar assists in saving the world?Oh that's right DC!
LOL
1st one saves the world with his ****
2nd one is a prisoner I sacrifice to Molag Bal, since that is sole purpose of his existance
3rd one... Tell me you are joking, right? This must be troll post.
4th one... A true savior, yeah right.
5th ... lol wut
and last but not least, whiny breton merchant wannabe king. I might be wrong on this, but for me that is the most pathetic npc with more than one line in entire game.
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »What's the difference of dueling and before dueling when pve ppl would just spam AoE while waiting for a group?
Now you have people who spam skills and duel at the same time. good bye frame rates.Edited by me_ming on February 24, 2017 12:09PM"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
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grumlins✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.
But dueling is annoying to everyone else and creates an asston of lag. How does banking and crafting bother you or create long load times?
The problem with your load times is not duels it is your pc
Actually no it's not and it's not on the pc only it's actually on every console as well which means it's a game wide issue and it's not limited to one person.0 -
grumlins✭✭✭Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.
But dueling is annoying to everyone else and creates an asston of lag. How does banking and crafting bother you or create long load times?
Do you know what annoys me? People selling things in zone chat, and people looking for group in zone chat, all sorts of things, but I don't go telling them they can't go talking in chat or doing whatever irks me where I can't see them.
I rather like watching duels, sometimes hoping someone challenges me, so the scope of "everyone else" is narrower than you think.
Lastly, the sheer number of people in an area, crafting, banking, selling, creates lag. Take Rawl'ka as an example. Sometimes I need to go to these places, or just need performance, so I turn my graphics down so my computer can handle it. Subsampling quality can be reduced without a load screen and I have found for each step down you gain 10 FPS. I, and many other players, deal with these sort of things, but we don't go around telling people what they can and cannot do. Towns belong to no one.
They could easily fix this with a trade channel, go make your suggestion on another post.1 -
grumlins✭✭✭it's apparent that PVPers and Duelists have no concept of where to do things.
Nah, we do have the concept of where to do things. It's just usually the cities where wayshrines are close, most ppl are gathered at, and are therefore easier to find ppl to duel with. It's not our fault for making the cities a good place to duel right? Don't blame us, blame ZOS for not making a dueling zone.
You still miss the point you choose the do that there it's not the developers fault when bad people do bad things it's those who make that decision. It's not the public parking lot owner's fault that suddenly someone decides to capture children for the international sex trade in real life it's the criminal who is doing it.0 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dueling needs to be set in specific places instead of everywhere, they're lowering our fps with all this rubbish (mainly with all the info that slams us). It's not the flashy skills that do it, it's all the extra info, ESO seems to have problems getting it all to us in a timely way, which affects the whole game.
I want to get around and not have my connection swamped with all their stupid CP point info and current skill info.
They basically cursed pve areas with the Cyrodill Herpvirus.
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UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I clicked on this thread thinking it would be about Dark Brotherhood Sanctuaries... :'(
On topic, I think that anywhere you can't be mounted should be off limits for dueling. Anywhere else I consider to be fair game.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nope, nope, noooooooooope! There are certainly places where dueling is just insensitive, like in a crowded bank, but really. I'm not asking you to only do your business in dungeons, or only role play out in the wild. Cutting off the entire town? I've played games where they do that and it is a huge hassle.
But dueling is annoying to everyone else and creates an asston of lag. How does banking and crafting bother you or create long load times?
Do you know what annoys me? People selling things in zone chat, and people looking for group in zone chat, all sorts of things, but I don't go telling them they can't go talking in chat or doing whatever irks me where I can't see them.
I rather like watching duels, sometimes hoping someone challenges me, so the scope of "everyone else" is narrower than you think.
Lastly, the sheer number of people in an area, crafting, banking, selling, creates lag. Take Rawl'ka as an example. Sometimes I need to go to these places, or just need performance, so I turn my graphics down so my computer can handle it. Subsampling quality can be reduced without a load screen and I have found for each step down you gain 10 FPS. I, and many other players, deal with these sort of things, but we don't go around telling people what they can and cannot do. Towns belong to no one.
What about consoles? You can't reduce quality there.
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LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭With the addition of dueling I have to say that the game is working overtime just to animate all of the nonsense going on inside the cities and near the wayshrines. So I'd like to make a suggestion called Sanctuary. In other MMORPGs Sanctuaries are locations that even if you are flagged or trying to duel it declines because it's an area of peace. It's a place where no faction exists and no PVP can take place.
I'd love to see this come to all of the cities in Tamriel in PVE zones because it's apparent that PVPers and Duelists have no concept of where to do things. I wonder sometimes if they just wander around making doodies anywhere they are standing in real life because that's just how annoying dueling is when you try to load into a city and you get the all too familiar "This might be a long load time" because not just one but a whole army of doofs are dueling inside the cities where crafting and banking is done.
Thank you.
Completely agree. Take the dueling outside of cities at least until the game is optimized so that the duels don't hamper performance.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I said it elsewhere:
Actually... duelling in city limits being considered a crime -would- be fitting a classic clichee.
Anyone remember when the three musketeers wanted to have a little friendly duelling fun with a country rube, and what happened then with the guard?
And it would not mean that duelling in town was impossible. Just... that you better not let the guard see you doing it, or they'd interfere, and arrest both duellants. Now ask yourself... are the places in town guards -don't- go? Check out their partol routes, and in a pinch, move the duel outside somewhere...
"Let's meet behind the southern watchtower at noon, you cur! -slaps with glove-"
(Oh, and we definitely need a "slap with glove" emote as well!)
And added designated duelling areas would be a good addition.
There are some that could be made accessible... remember that instanced one in Eastmarch for the finale of the Windhelm festival questline? (the Hall of Trials where you help king Jorunn against another assassination attempt by the victorious duellist?) Or the Thizzrini arena in reapers march - once you get through the matching questline, the arenas could be opened up for all sorts of player based duelling fun...
And there are several "practice yard" areas around many places, all those could be "free duelling" areas... since really, that is part of practice, right? Including schools of swordsmanship, like Leki's Blade in the Alik'r... or those found in some military forts/castles...0
