Have your Guild Bank get Robbed? Well if yes We should DO SOMETHING!

SirAndy · June 2014

theyancey wrote: »

Anything I put in a guild bank I consider a gift. It is not extra storage.

@theyancey
You're missing the point completely ...

Nobody in any of the guilds i'm a member of uses the guild bank as extra storage. Anything i put in there i expect to be taken. I gave it away.

But (and you knew there was going to be a but):
My guilds have many members all of which access the same guild bank.
It's a *shared* resource (! this is a key word here, read on) for *all* (!) guild members.

The problem is not me losing items i put in the bank.

The problem is one (!) individual taking everything from a *shared* resource without consideration for his/her guild mates.

The guild bank exists for the benefit of *all* members, not just for the personal gain of one individual.
;-)

Blackwidow · June 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

What I meant to say is that blaming the dishonesty of players on the game design is about as absurd as blaming the weather on the game design.

Let's see.

The game design let's people take everything or nothing from the guild bank.

If the guild permissions were changed so there was a limited amount people could take from the bank, people could not wipe the bank out.

Now, please explain how changing the weather could affect the bank.

If you're going to complain about guild bank functionality, start your own thread to complain about it.

This thread is on topic with guild bank problems.

Did you even read the OP? He is asking what we can do to stop this from happening again.

It has nothing to do with an issue that will occur regardless of how specific the controls are over withdrawals.

Wow.

Arsenic_Touch · June 2014

What they need to do is separate the guild bank into tabs, each with specific permissions and withdraw limits. Where you can set one tab as a free for all for everyone, one tab for only the officers to doll out rewards and what not, a tab for pvp and so on and so forth. Also need a guild gold bank as well, where players can donate to the guild itself to fund pvp or dungeons.

I am still appalled that people are defending the current system and so opposed of any changes that would only benefit everyone.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · June 2014

The current system is working. If you trust anyone in an MMO that's what is going to happen and has happened since forever when "banks" and "guild storage" did existed.

You limit access to the bank. If someone wants something has to ask for it and be given by higher ranking members. Nothing valuable should be kept there either.

Having played EVE Online for a numerous years, I didn't even trusted my ex wife when came to valuable items like T2 blueprints. And renown cases there, for whole alliances collapsing (good examples : BoB), with thousands of members and many years history, in matter of minutes.

Because a single individual who was high ranking officer and member since the creation of the organisation, decided to join the other side.

It doesn't suprise me at all. Is down to human nature after all.

However reading all the above I thought this game had an age limitation above 14 in many countries. Apparently not.

Gilvoth · June 2014

if you really need something then just speak to one of the officers in the guild and ask for it, OR just ask the leader directly. 90% of the time youll get what u want as long as it's clear your trustworthy and loyal to your guild.
but, thats part of the problem, today, we dont see loyalty for the guild and zenimax is helping people be disloyal when they permit being able to join more then one guild, infact, they even allow FIVE guilds! totaly wrong imo.

Tabbycat · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

if you really need something then just speak to one of the officers in the guild and ask for it, OR just ask the leader directly. 90% of the time youll get what u want as long as it's clear your trustworthy and loyal to your guild.
but, thats part of the problem, today, we dont see loyalty for the guild and zenimax is helping people be disloyal when they permit being able to join more then one guild, infact, they even allow FIVE guilds! totaly wrong imo.

I don't think any guild has the right to tell any of their members what guilds they can or cannot join.

Fact is, unless you know the person IRL, you don't really know any of those people in your guild. They are all strangers you hang out with online. Why should I give them that much power over how I play my game? Last time I checked, I was the one paying my sub fee.

Blackwidow · June 2014

All of you fighting to keep guild permissions away from ESO.

You need to explain the down side of guild bank permissions .

All I see are B.S. posts about people being too trusting. Stop with this absurd argument.

If anything, the game should be allow us to trust our guildmates more by adding security, so strangers can not wipe the whole bank clean.

The only reason anyone would want no guild bank permissions is to rob a bank clean.

That or some guild leaders want to keep their guild bank away from the guild mates with the excuse it is not safe to share the guild bank because of the lack of permissions.

SaibotLiu · June 2014

Tabbycat wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

if you really need something then just speak to one of the officers in the guild and ask for it, OR just ask the leader directly. 90% of the time youll get what u want as long as it's clear your trustworthy and loyal to your guild.
but, thats part of the problem, today, we dont see loyalty for the guild and zenimax is helping people be disloyal when they permit being able to join more then one guild, infact, they even allow FIVE guilds! totaly wrong imo.

I don't think any guild has the right to tell any of their members what guilds they can or cannot join.

Fact is, unless you know the person IRL, you don't really know any of those people in your guild. They are all strangers you hang out with online. Why should I give them that much power over how I play my game?

He's not saying that he wants to have the ability to tell guild members not to join other guilds, he's saying it was a bad idea to add that mechanic to start with. I dont really feel strongly one way or the other. I dont care much for guilds who take themselves too seriously, but sometimes it is nice to have a solid group who's willing to go to bat for each other,whatever comes.

Its another casual vs hardcore gamer thing IMO. Casual gamers are really only concerned with their own accomplishments. But there's just some things that you can't accomplish without a coordinated effort, and knowing each other IRL or not becomes kind of irrelevant.

JinShepard01 · June 2014

I dunno if thi sis a fact or not but I think that in WoW you can aks a GM to put the stuff back in the bank when its robbed, I think a guild I was in did that once.

All in all people can never be fully trusted, you can never know for 100% if he or she wont do it, its always ar isk, even if he or she is extreamly kind and loyal, it might be a act, it might not be.

wojiaoshiyuan3 · June 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

The current system is working. If you trust anyone in an MMO that's what is going to happen and has happened since forever when "banks" and "guild storage" did existed.

You limit access to the bank. If someone wants something has to ask for it and be given by higher ranking members. Nothing valuable should be kept there either.

Having played EVE Online for a numerous years, I didn't even trusted my ex wife when came to valuable items like T2 blueprints. And renown cases there, for whole alliances collapsing (good examples : BoB), with thousands of members and many years history, in matter of minutes.

Because a single individual who was high ranking officer and member since the creation of the organisation, decided to join the other side.

It doesn't suprise me at all. Is down to human nature after all.

However reading all the above I thought this game had an age limitation above 14 in many countries. Apparently not.

I also played EVE for years and the robbing also happens there.

BUT: It usually happens from a high rank officer who have a lot of permissions. In this case it is not about a random member wipe out everything, it is about a person you trusted so much to give him a high rank took all your stuff AND that is the case where no one in the world can solve.(And don't forget that we can kill him as many time as we want no matter where he was, unlike here)

SO other than that I think this guild bank system really need some permission masochism to minimize the lost.

EQBallzz · June 2014

There is never a way to safeguard things completely but this is a direct result of the lacking guild features in-game. There needs to be custom ranks and permissions so that layers of security can be built in as needed by the GM. This "all or nothing" permission setup is horrible.

This isn't rocket science.

Recruit - no access
Member - limited access
Officer - full access

The current system doesn't allow even the most basic permission setup.

Arora · June 2014

Personally, I am hoping for some kind of bounty system, once the brotherhood gets in the picture.

wojiaoshiyuan3 · June 2014

Arora wrote: »

Personally, I am hoping for some kind of bounty system, once the brotherhood gets in the picture.

Ha! I can see how this is going, I got your back!

Lord_Archaic · February 2017

SystemiK wrote: »

We've not had a single problem since. One thing low life thieves are lacking is patience. Use that to your advantage.

Thieves are definitely patient......They will wait and wait and wait for that moment.......

RavenSworn · February 2017

I think both sides of the camp has valid reasons. "Common sense" is not common after all but there has to be more guild management tools in regard to the guild bank. Guilds are suppose to be a place of sanctuary, a place for belonging. I guess it's that sense of belonging that really gets betrayed when this kind of robbing occurs. But this problem does occur in every mmo. Saying otherwise is not a fact, it's an opinion. When you are dealing with hundreds of people each time you log in, you meet all kinds of characters. Not to mention the anonymity of the Internet allow for almost full access to people's trust and feelings.

But, ultimately, it is up to the guild leader and its officers to decide what's best for guild access. It is up to us players to think what's best for the guild with the tools we have now. We can give suggestions, we can rant and rave about the system but right now, work with what we have. Because in the end, value is up to the individual, not the common masses. And value is the driving factor for these thieves.

kyle.wilson · February 2017

WOW!

Problem is, they were given permission to withdraw and it doesn't violate any TOS. So, ZOS can't take any action.
Be wiser on who you give full access to the bank.

The_Undefined · February 2017

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kyle.wilson wrote: »

WOW!

Problem is, they were given permission to withdraw and it doesn't violate any TOS. So, ZOS can't take any action.
Be wiser on who you give full access to the bank.

I really should look at the date on these threads more often ,_,

BlackSparrow · February 2017

Lord_Archaic wrote: »

SystemiK wrote: »

We've not had a single problem since. One thing low life thieves are lacking is patience. Use that to your advantage.

Thieves are definitely patient......They will wait and wait and wait for that moment.......

This is one of the most egregious thread necromancies I have seen on this site. Is this... is this post deliberately alluding to that? O_o

SydneyGrey · February 2017

Katarina wrote: »

Nobody really throws anything they can't afford losing in our guild vault, it was more of a gift room than actual storage, everything in there is meant to be taken by someone, and no one is guilty of anything if they decide to take everything.

If they decide to take everything, it's selfish and greedy and just plain mean and inconsiderate to everyone else in the guild. It's something only selfish, awful people do because they don't care about anyone but themselves.

Now, if you take only a couple of things out and replace them when you're able to, there's no problem.

Shad0wfire99 · February 2017

Necro'd af.

Enslaved · February 2017

If my guildmates would decide to rob gb, I could just walk to their homes and hit them in the face. Other guildies would do the same, so bank is safe as it can be.

Duiwel · February 2017

I usually say Hail Sithis

but Hail Necromancer!

Danikat · February 2017

I agree that having more detailed controls (like setting a maximum number of items that can be withdrawn per day, or restricting it by rarity) would be helpful.

But I also think it's possible to make the current system work. One of my guilds does it by setting the bank so only the leader and officers can withdraw items and then put a note in the guild info to say that items in the bank are available to everyone - you just have to ask an officer to withdraw it. Yes it does mean you have to be patient (especially if an officer isn't online at the time) but I can't imagine many situations when someone would need something from the guild bank right this instant and can't afford to wait.

Another guild allows everyone to withdraw and warns people not to put high value items in there. It does limit how useful the bank is, but it works for them.

In both cases they make it clear that the guild bank is not an extension of your personal bank. Once you put an item in there it is not yours anymore, it belongs to the guild as a whole and any member can take and use it. So if you don't want to lose something you don't put it in. That seems to go a long way towards preventing most issues with items being removed.

GreenhaloX · February 2017

Ahhh.. if it was the guild bank's gold, then I would feel sympathy, but it is just items. You get 500 inventory slots for members to drop whatever items. It shouldn't matter who takes out what and how many. You drop things in there for other members to take. I don't care if members take it to put on other traders.. good for them, make some gold. I would rather that a guild has an open bank (items only) access. I normally have lots of stuff from treasure chests hunting, and all my 5 traders are always stocked up and full (even though sales are good.) My toon's personal inventory is always near full and have to constantly sell to merchants or destroy to make more inventory space. From time to time, I would just announced on the guilds to give away free sets and purple jewelry pieces, to clear room in my inventory. It can just be a hassle sometimes, though, to post the items on guild chats and then sending via email to the requestors. It would just be much easier to be able to drop all the items into the guild bank (open access), and any member can take the items; especially with glyphs and others crafting deconstructable items. The only issue is members dropping trash or useless crap items that can just be sold to merchants themselves, rather than taking up bank space.

ZOS_JohanaB · February 2017

This thread is from more than two years ago, and as such it is considered to be a necro. If something strikes your interest in a thread this old we would ask that you would create a new thread rather the resurrect the old one.