I imagine the more relevant question is how many of us who only play ESO for the PVP would gradually lose interest in the game due to removal of the progression system.

One aspect of ESO I enjoy a lot is all the diverse options available to come up with an interesting idea for a build, trying different armor sets, abilities and allocating CP in different ways are all part of this.

If you don't participate in PVE at all, this kind of change would be removing an important part of how the game works and incentive to continue playing and becoming stronger over time.

The lag can be pretty bad at times, but generally it is a non-issue in Trueflame NA during the times I play (late night Pacific time). I'd rather continue playing the game in its current state with CP than have that entire system removed from the game for PVP players.

I'm already in Azura so it wouldn't affect me, but I know for those outside of Azura it will be a massive change. I'd rather have zos do something to Haderus.

I love the game and I enjoy playing in Cyrodiil very much. If this is what needs to happen to make the game better on a variety of levels, I am all for it. I have 730+ CP.

Hyodyntaa wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

I would hope and assume they would balance things out if they made the change (cost poisons, siege, proc sets, etc.). That being said, I enjoyed PvP far more without CP than with, and many still talk about the old days when things were more balanced due to no CP/soft caps.

Also, I find it weird that people are complaining about "progression" in the champion point environment. Seriously? We get like 15 points every 3 months to invest (that realistically provide like 3% increased efficiency due to our already diminishing returns). The only forms of progression I have felt lately have been with the addition of new sets and theorycrafting.

@Glory

PvP didn't have poisions and Veli/Selenes//Widowmaker etc. back then

Yep, I'm saying that if they rebalanced things like poisons, proc sets, siege, etc., then many things that plague us now (infinite sustain while dealing tons of damage, one-shot mechanics, etc.) would not be possible.

Not a PvP'er, but from the threads I have seen, people do prefer the No CP campaigns, for no other reason than its more balanced. Especially now as it's L50, and not Vet10/12/14/16 like before. This means new players can get to PvP quicker for those current non CP campaigns.

I have also read that performance is much better in Non CP Campaigns.

So, the playing field is more leveled and performance seems to be better. Why would anyone not want this?

Of course ZOS could always keep a CP Enabled Campaign as an exception.

Minno wrote: »

The is no hypothetical future. They can turn off all CP in pvp without harming PvE (Azura Star proves this). PvE will not be touched at all via this method and saying that it might is causing a distraction in the discussion.

@Minno

Three years of "Balance Changes" for PvP have conditioned us PvE'ers to think that any changes to PvP are going to screw up PvE in some way, shape or form. Everytime PvP is "balanced", at the very least I have to overhaul my characters, if not respec them or park them until the pendulum has shifted.

Ever since Beta, I have said that PvP needs to be divided from PvE, not just zones, but the entire skill lines. PvP skills need to be separate and distinct for PvP.

If everyone hate it so much, why is the CP campaign so empty? This doesn't make sense.

Nestor wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

The is no hypothetical future. They can turn off all CP in pvp without harming PvE (Azura Star proves this). PvE will not be touched at all via this method and saying that it might is causing a distraction in the discussion.

@Minno

Three years of "Balance Changes" for PvP have conditioned us PvE'ers to think that any changes to PvP are going to screw up PvE in some way, shape or form. Everytime PvP is "balanced", at the very least I have to overhaul my characters, if not respec them or park them until the pendulum has shifted.

Ever since Beta, I have said that PvP needs to be divided from PvE, not just zones, but the entire skill lines. PvP skills need to be separate and distinct for PvP.

They can find a healthy position for both. I don't think you need to completely separate pvp from pve that severely. We already have our BIS trait that's useless for PvE (impen), we have our BIS weapon traits based on if a player has a shield or not (nirn), there are 2 morphs for each skill and different skill lines, many of which serve a pvp purpose and others that don't.

I think the player base for too long thought they had the right playstyle with zos already considered certain skills/classes great for either PvE/pvp but not both. Based on that intent, we can't separate pvp/PvE as you suggest; they are already separate.

The only logical thing to do is this:
- rip the CP from pvp,
- balance the skills to give a baseline for pvp
- let the CP system buff PvE to the position it should be to promote the MMO progression that people like about it.
- use battle spirit to buff pvp to compensate for the removal of stats. Maybe a separate class battle spirit so the devs can balance the classes without impacting the other classes unintentionally.
- and review all sets/items to insure complete balance (they already have separate pvp sets and PvE sets. So they can balance those according without harming either.)

Minno wrote: »

The only logical thing to do is this:
- rip the CP from pvp,
- balance the skills to give a baseline for pvp

We already have non-CP campaign available for anyone who wants to play without CP. Why not simply implement the special balancing adjustment for Azura's Star only (weaker poisons or whatever people are asking for)?

I already play on Azura's Star so it wouldn't hurt me none.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

No progression = no MMORPG
If they remove it, i'm quitting this game.

Which is just silly. They can create a new system of progression based on AP that gives different bonuses such as:

Faster pack and unpack siege time
Restoring Mag and Stam when purging an ally
Scout quests give more AP and gold
Etc

There is a lot they can do. The CP system should have never been part of Cyrodiil in the first place and many top
High end players who quit tried to tell them

You can leave CP alone for PVE, but pvp and pve profession systems need to be completely different and this would be a good start to that.

Is that what you call character progression? God, this game community is doomed. To me it's very simple, if they don't increase the gear progression(largely) in case they remove CP, then this game is dead to me.
And i also don't like the idea of a separate progression for PVP.

I love non-CP campaigns, but unfortunately none of my friends do.

Minno wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

I don't think it's wise to remove CP from all PvP. They deprecated vet rank for CP. They'd be essentially turning off end game content for PvP players.

I would say there is no likely way the plan is to turn off CP for good, but Brian Wheeler had an opportunity to address that, and he hasn't. So it's a bit unsettling.

That all said, I tried Azura's Star and didn't enjoy it.

Is the end game for pvp accumulated stat points or the ability to face off against a thinking enemy in a rated ladder?

There's nothing in PvP that suggests there is end game content. The only ranking system can be farmed since it relies on AP gains, and there's nothing to do but earn CP to make you stronger. This makes CP end game content by default. But even that is better farmed via PVE so the argument that CP is pvp end game is loose at best.

That said I'm countering by saying there is no more end-game pvp at all. We are receiving the first end game content this summer via 4v4v4 Battlegrounds, and that's only true if there is a rated ladder system that is based on as much skill based stats as possible (wins/loss and score separate from AP). It was supposed to be IC, but what we got was a PvE grind.

Players want progression. If experience was disabled in Cyrodiil, you'd see a lot of people quit. So CP is by default end game content, but it's also a requirement of the game. After you gain the skills from the alliance war, rank is completely achievement based and has nothing to do with content.