Towns and Villages of High Rock (a timeline comparison)

Enodoc · February 2017

There are a number of towns and villages in ESO's High Rock, but how do these fit with the established towns and villages we know from Arena and Daggerfall? Now it's clear that some of them just haven't been built yet. But some of the others should have been.

For starters, where is Glenpoint? Glenpoint is supposed to be a town near Daggerfall that existed through 1E 609 right up to (and beyond) the Third Era, so why is there no sign of Glenpoint in ESO? Based on the Daggerfall game map, it should be in the hills above Daggerfall city, about where Baelborne Rock is in ESO. But Baelborne Rock has its own history, which doesn't mention Glenpoint at all.

Next up is Anticlere. Called Reich Gradkeep in Arena, this town shifted from where it was in Arena (about where Deleyn's Mill is in ESO) further up the coast, to about where Aldcroft is in ESO. Is Aldcroft the precursor to Reich Gradkeep/Anticlere?

Tulune is mentioned in a cargo ledger in ESO, and yet there's no sign of it in the world - it should be located just up the coast from Daggerfall.

The regions of Northmoor, Phrygias and Ykalon are also conspicuous by their absence. These should be located partway up the west side of Glenumbra, but all we see there are Farwatch and Westtry. Northmoor is mentioned in books beyond its appearance in Daggerfall, while Phrygias and Ykalon are home to the ancient woodlands of Skeffington and Ykalon Forest respectively, which seem to have been inexplicably replaced with the barren and marshy Cambray Hills.

Speaking of Cambray, perhaps that is the naming precursor to Kambria. But it's not in the right place to be so. Crosswych, however, is about where Kambria should be.

Eagle's Brook appears in both Arena and ESO, so that should be alright, right? No. For some reason, ESO put Eagle's Brook on the wrong side of Camlorn. Where Eagle's Brook is in ESO would be about where Northmoor or Phrygias should be; Eagle's Brook itself should be north of Camlorn, around where they put Merovec's Folly.

Dwynnen is another place with an important history that should have existed since the First Era. Maybe Dwynnarth Ruins sits near the site that will later be Dwynnen, but that doesn't explain why it's not there now.

Koeglin Village may well be the precursor to the town of Koegria.

Portdun Creek may have developed from Firebrand Keep, as the keep has a outwork called Portdun Watch.

Alcaire, Menevia, Gavaudon and Wayrest exist in both ESO and Daggerfall, and Wind Keep can be found in both ESO and Arena.

Norvulk Hills may well have been built on the Norvulk Ruins.

So, what do you guys think? Is there an official stance on any of this that I don't know? What I'm most interested in is what has happened to Glenpoint, Anticlere, Northmoor, Phrygias and Kambria, as they seem to be historically important towns that have been missed out of ESO without explanation.

Thanks to Sage of Ice for the discussion that lead to this thread's creation.

AzraelKrieg · February 2017

That is quite interesting. Would be interested to see how Rivenspire fits into it all as that is part of High Rock as well

LMar · February 2017

In my head, the map is an approximation of the actual area of High Rock (or Tamriel as a whole). Since for example a major city like Wayrest should be much much larger, we only see a representation of it in the game. Same for locales. Due to map scaling they couldn't fit them all in and rather grouped them in regions. They might be there and nearby landmarks are named as such but they are not in as it would be too tightly packed. However, the important ones such as Glenpoint etc would have been nice to be fitted in/referred to somehow.

Dark_Claw · February 2017

I'd like to know where Margog the Hammer (the second woodworker hireling) was supposed to be located while he was sending materials. He claimed to be staying at a village called Forlorn in the wilds of High Rock, yet no such village exists in-game. There is, however, a ruined building in Wrothgar called Forlorn Watchtower, but the only nearby settlements are the village outside the walls of Orsinium (where Skalar's Hostel is located) and the camp above Morkuldin Forge containing Orzorga's kitchen, so my guess is it's either of those two.

I also think it's pretty obvious that Wind Keep in ESO and Arena would go on to become Gavaudon City in Daggerfall, as they're both located in the western part of the fiefdom and appear to be the seat of the local count.

Enodoc · February 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

That is quite interesting. Would be interested to see how Rivenspire fits into it all as that is part of High Rock as well

Sure! I left it out because there's not too much to talk about, but there are a couple of things:

Oldgate is probably the main one; in Arena it exists as a town, northwest of Shornhelm, while in ESO it is literally just a gate, located south of Shornhelm.

Markwasten Moor is a village in Arena and is also referenced in the history of Ranser's War (important to the background of DC), but there's no place (town or area) called Markwasten Moor in ESO. There is a "Westmark Moor" which may be related, but since Markwasten is directly relevant to ESO it's odd that there's no sign of it. It may just be though that "Traitor's Tor" is Markwasten Moor, and they just renamed it. It's though that if this is the case, it's never mentioned.

Fell's Run is in a similar place to where Thorkan Park or Normar Heights would be in the future, so they could have just used one of those names for that place. Similarly, White Haven may well have been built over the location of Crestshade, but since Crestshade is destroyed, there's no major need for that.

I don't think any of the Rivenspire places have an established history like those in Glenumbra, so there's certainly a lot more leniency available there. Same goes for the villages in Northern Bangkorai.

Enodoc · February 2017

I wonder if @Lawrence_Schick has any insights on these villages and their status in the current time period...