If Champion Points were removed from all campaigns would you quit PVP?

Rohamad_Ali · February 2017

No

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Pointless thread. ZOS is not removing CP permanently. They're isolating CP passives as sources of server strain and removing population density as a variable by performing a temporary test on the most populated server.

But if they were to hypothetically remove CP permanently, I'd adapt and continue playing just like every single other patch so far. No-CP PvP is actually pretty balanced and challenging. Damage and survivability feel fine there. They just aren't limitless like with CP due to sustain limitations. God forbid you have to actually build a little regen and manage resources...

Honestly, though, we should be supporting ZOS and contributing to their testing efforts, not discussing hypotheticals.

LeifErickson wrote: »

For those saying that you would quit because of all your time spent grinding going to waste, did you quit when they increased the level cap to v16?

And everyone's carebear arguments just came falling apart.

"But I grinded my CP to PvP on an equal playing field with other CP-capped players!"

Well, if PvP doesn't involve CP, is everyone not on an even playing field? They aren't changing the playing field with removing CP, like they did with vet rank changes. They're leveling it. Leif just /threaded this so hard.

It's not pointless and they are removing it for a week . Unless you have heard an official statement saying otherwise . The thread is relevant because people may quit pvping that week as some have stated in the official thread Wheeler created . Even if I am excited for the change and testing the effects , others are not and have just as much right to voice concerns about direction as any of Us . The poll is unbiased as well .

Publius_Scipio · February 2017

No

Koolio wrote: »

Yes.
I only gained Cp for PVP. I would be insulted if they removed it. Along with the work my friends put in. None of them use the forums. But I would say the 12 of us would be gone really quick.

You can always release a new single. Gangsters Paradise 2: Neva' Died In The Phirst Place (feat. Drake and King Richard).

NedicWildling · February 2017

LeifErickson wrote: »

For those saying that you would quit because of all your time spent grinding going to waste, did you quit when they increased the level cap to v16?

That's a terrible argument, level had already been raised before it was raised to v16, CP isn't the same as just raising a level cap, so the change can't be compared, even though I am all for the CP change happening.

Firerock2 · February 2017

No

LMAO

DannyLV702 · February 2017

No

We'd all have to adapt anyway. Although being zerged down by low levels will actually hurt more now...

tplink3r1 · February 2017

Yes

No progression = no MMORPG
If they remove it, i'm quitting this game.

LjAnimalchin · February 2017

No

Anybody who enjoys the game will stay.

asneakybanana · February 2017

Yes

Satiar wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Also just flat out removing CPs encourages zerging and really hurts smaller groups fighting outnumbered. Maybe if they reintroduced dynamic ultimate but just pulling the plug on CPs right now would require everyone to cut most their dmg and stack into sustain and would make zergs pretty much untouchable. Or they can review battle spirit and increase the amount of dmg that people would do to make up for the lack of dmg bonuses from CPs might be viable but in reality that would probably just break more than it fixes.

The power creep in this game is massively out of control. Like, I understand why you like CP: a build like yours has insane, group wiping damage, but also enough sustain to keep up shields, hit purge and be survivable. I've played the exact same spec. It's great, it's also terrible game mechanics. At this pointin ESO PvP we really can do it all, and it's just not good PvP. Infinite sustain, one shot builds, etc., all these come from CP and most would go away if CP were removed.

I mean I play what is the most efficient and right now that's destro nb. I dont really care if I couldnt sustain but it's the fact that w/ cp removal we will have less dmg and less sustain and its already tough enough to kill tanks imagine w/ no cp dmg bonus. If they were to leave dmg as it is and nerf my sustain fine or if they were to nerf dmg but leave sustain fine but nerfing dmg and sustain forces everyone into this weird full sustain seducer/lich type setup where you have to sacrifice a decent amount of dps sets on top of the dps you already lost it's just going to be terrible.

DocFrost72 · February 2017

I'd like to mention something else

Seems kinda selfish to want "my" CP at the expense of server performance. What good is power if the lag ruins it all the same?

Minalan · February 2017

Yes

Honestly? I'd probably find something else to play, and PVP less. But I wouldn't quit entirely.

I actually PvP'ed for the longest time on Azuras, and I just didn't enjoy it long term. I don't care for super powerful NPC's, players should be the threat. Imperial city is much less fun to run around in when a boss can one shot you. I didn't care for how proc set damage scales with the lower health and max magicka. I didn't like how some builds were ridiculous (maluplars at the time) without CP on the attacker. I didn't like how some abilities (like EoTS) are monstrously harder to counter without CP in elemental defender. I didn't like how heavy armor and impen made stam builds so much stronger without any points in erosion or elfborn to counter it.

I'm having a lot more fun on TF with CP. Azuras is still fun, but playing there makes me remember why I left it.

DeadlyRecluse · February 2017

No

TBH I hope this leads to the permanent removal of "active" cp passives all together, and a slight toning down/nerfing of CPs and player power in general.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2017

No

nope, should make the cheaters stand out like sore thumbs, and I also play ESO because it is an elder scrolls game played all of them since Daggerfall.

Rohamad_Ali · February 2017

No

Wheeler said this at the end of his statement . "The results of this test will determine the next course of action for refining Cyrodiil server performance. Thank you for your perseverance and patience – we thoroughly appreciate your time"

I sure would like to know where his mind is going if the results are a success .

technohic · February 2017

No

I wouldn't mind; but then I like the no-CP campaigns. I know a lot who don't however. They should at least do something to aid the sustain loss since they kind of nerfed it as far as non-CP goes compared to where it was prior to CP existing.

Preyfar · February 2017

I'd like to mention something else

No, but I would expect Battle Spirit to be lifted somewhat, and perhaps PVP-centric armors to have a bit more variety (e.g. more regen, other factors). Without CP my viable armor selection would drop immensely since I've had to massively compensate for loss of regen/skill cost reduction.

That said, I'd much rather PVP didn't have CP at all. Keep skill based. Everybody is on equal footing.

WRX · February 2017

No

I'm just glad they are trying something.

Astanphaeus · February 2017

Yes

I don't mind the test, but if they remove it completely afterwards, then yes, I will quit pvp. Every time I go to Azuras I get bored because people are so much easier to kill there, though maybe that is just the player base that stayed behind on Azuras during the exodus to TF when it first became the non-CP campaign.

Also I have zero faith in ZOS actually doing anything balance wise with the removal of CP, partially because it would create huge conflict between PvEers and PvPers. They can't balance with the two groups now, why would anyone think they could do it with one group not having CP while the other does?

And for those who like no-CP, they already have Azura's. But there is a reason why TF is the most populous campaign and not Azura's. Most people prefer having their CP over any reduction in lag that might exist from not having it.

cdobratz · February 2017

No

The tears of people complaining about not having an advantage over newer players fuel me, and I'm at the CP cap

DHale · February 2017

I'd like to mention something else

I am really getting tired of you making us farm gear then making it useless.

mtwiggz · February 2017

Yes

Pros;
Better performance, equal playing field.

Cons;
Lack of build diversity (worse than it already is), no character progression for PvP only players.

Honestly I probably wouldn't quit PvP altogether. I enjoy playing on AZ once and a while. It reminds me of the old days where your decisions in battle actually meant something, you had to manage your resources to a T and light armor vs. medium armor vs. heavy armor was actually a question.

With that said, no character progression, lack of build diversity and throwing away countless hours of grinding/farming really makes me salty.

I hope the test provides some good information for ZoS to move forward and find an actual fix. Removing CP altogether, if somewhere down the line they decide to do, would appear as only a bandaid fix. Which I'm quite sick of with this game.

Jules · February 2017

No

But while I may not quit PVPing over it, it still would be pretty annoying. The game (as imbalanced as it is) is balanced around the CP system, like someone else mentioned, battle spirit for one. I think its removal would be swift, messy, and have terrible consequences if not thought out methodically.

Chuga_Rei · February 2017

No

I prefer pvp without champ points. but IMO its a personal preference and no wrong answer.

that said if it makes performance amazing then i would hope everyone is fine with it.

thankyourat · February 2017

No

I would rather them just switch the champion tree layout. like make sustain and damage in the same champion tree or something to that effect. Because the way the champion trees are set up right now basically let you have everything. I can pump up all my sustain, my damage and my mitigation because they are in different trees.

LeifErickson · February 2017

No

NedicWildling wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

For those saying that you would quit because of all your time spent grinding going to waste, did you quit when they increased the level cap to v16?

That's a terrible argument, level had already been raised before it was raised to v16, CP isn't the same as just raising a level cap, so the change can't be compared, even though I am all for the CP change happening.

Grinding for gear to suit up a v16 and grinding for champion points. Both are grinding, both most people hate doing. Not sure why they can't be compared.

SnubbS · February 2017

Yes

Numbers are going to be even more important now than they were before. I'm not a fan of being Xv1d or 50v9d.

ssewallb14_ESO · February 2017

No

If we brought back sustain meta and achieved decent balance there I would play this game more than I do now.

Mojomonkeyman · February 2017

I'd like to mention something else

No-CP is a joke in its current form. All forms of noskill-scrub tools (procs, posions, destro ult, siege, etc.) are far more mighty compared to cp-campaigns. Lots of balancing would be needed to make this work. That balancing would be a very painful process, that ZOS is not willing to go through. The pve outcry will be huge if they attempt changes to accomodate no-cp pvp gameplay.

I would probably quit due to lack of fun over time, not immediately.

kyle.wilson · February 2017

I'd like to mention something else

That would be the last straw.
I'd not only quit pvp, I would stop playing.
The only way to make these fools learn, is to stop paying them.
I've been a sub since launch.

LegendaryChef · February 2017

LeifErickson wrote: »

NedicWildling wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

For those saying that you would quit because of all your time spent grinding going to waste, did you quit when they increased the level cap to v16?

That's a terrible argument, level had already been raised before it was raised to v16, CP isn't the same as just raising a level cap, so the change can't be compared, even though I am all for the CP change happening.

Grinding for gear to suit up a v16 and grinding for champion points. Both are grinding, both most people hate doing. Not sure why they can't be compared.

I have to side with Nedic here man. I really don't think you can compare increasing a level cap to pretty much removing a levelling system altogether, that's 2 completely different things.

Sure you had to grind to get new gear but it was a higher level to gain and that gave you bonus' like more stats and new gear etc.

I'd say removing the CP system is more like a rollback than anything else and that's nothing like level cap increase.

On topic though, I personally don't really care if the system stays or goes and I'm here to play with the people I enjoy spending time with and to have fun myself. If the removal of the CP system were to stop me from doing any of those two then yes I'm out

Turelus · February 2017

No

Adapt or die, we didn't all quit when they removed soft caps, we didn't all quit when they added CP, we didn't all quit when they capped CP etc.

If you care about PvP you care about PvP not a specific build in PvP.