Taunt on frost staff heavy attack.

idk · February 2017

Tapio75 wrote: »

Inner fire is good, but ZOS clearly wants an frost themed taunt for the new Warden frost skill line. This is why it would be good to have alternative in Destro line to be used with Frost staff.

@Tapio75

What do you base that on.

I will explain how this comment if incorrect. Zos clearly gave the S&B a great taunt that provides excelent group benefit yet added a second taunt to the game.

I would say that your comment I quoted is incorrect since it is clear Zos put a FREE taunt into the ice staff that comes at a cost of time and kept the instant magika based taunt (can be stamina if prefered) in the game for use as well. There is no reason to beleive Zos did not intend for an ice tank to not use the Undaunted taunt.

Tyrobag · February 2017

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

Wait, so a frost staff heavy attack is a legitimate taunt???

Depends on how you define legitimate... :P

idk · February 2017

Tyrobag wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

Wait, so a frost staff heavy attack is a legitimate taunt???

Depends on how you define legitimate... :P

It actually taunts. There is no other way to look at it as being legitimate.

Vaoh · February 2017

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

How about they just make inner fire the first undaunted skill and remove taunt from ice staff heavy attack? Also lower the cost of inner fire to be that of a spammable.

^^

Tapio75 · February 2017

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

Goal is to find an alternative to heavy attack taunt forced on every frost staff user, be it in any role in the game. Having taunt on my ice mages most powerful staff attack, takes the attack away in situations where some other player is tanking a world boss for example. If i join a world boss fight, i have to use light or medium attacks on my ice staff which takes away my resource replenisment from heavy attacks. Each time i have tried the boss fights after the change, i run out of Magicka because the heavy attack is unavailable. If i use it, the mob instantly comes after me and kill me,.

I cant use frost staff on soloing bosses either because my pet is no longer keeping aggro at all due heavy attacks doing the taunt, yet with light and medium attacks i run out of magicka and stamina.

Neither of us knows why ZOS really did this change, but there has been speculations about it being part of frost staff changes for the oncomng warden and its tanky frost skill line. many seem to agree on this.

This is why it would be best to jhave an frost themed taunt which is an ability you choose to use, not something thats forced on every frost staff user.

We could have separate passive that costs 1 skill point and enables the taunt on heavy attack but is not tri focus, that would keep it as is but also leave everyone the ability to opt out from the taunt.

idk · February 2017

Cannot add a 6th passive. It would be the only weapon in the game with that many passives.

Personally, I agree in one aspect, Making a weapon into something different was not a great idea. Considering how few use ice staffs for damage it may not change. Even the new class's ice line seems to be for tanking.

EldritchPenguin · February 2017

Kildayen wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The heavy attack is basically "free" taunt. Other taunts are skills (Puncture for stamina & Inner Fire for magicka).
So with frost staff you have one additional slot for skill.

DING DING DING! We have a winner! It is a free taunt that will allow you to have an additional slot for something else. When people adapt and learn how to use this taunt, they will be happy they did.

There are a couple reasons why it can't free up a skill slot.

First and most importantly, it's not instantaneous. Sure, it can be used at the beginning of a fight for a free taunt, but it's not terribly useful beyond that, because the time it takes to fully charge a Destruction Staff attack is significantly longer than the time it takes the boss to blend a 17k health DPS into a dude smoothie. You can't use an ability with a nearly 3 second cast time to draw aggro in an emergency.

The other reason (which is really an extension of the first) is that it leaves the tank completely vulnerable while they're trying to use it. Having to drop block, suffering a snare, and being utterly unable to cast anything else or roll dodge for 3 seconds can be a death sentence.

Are there situations where a frost staff taunt can be useful? Definitely. It's nice to save resources at the start of a fight, and it can be useful to restore resources while starting another fight. But during a fight? It's a lot less feasible for a tank to charge a Destruction Staff attack.

Tryxus · February 2017

It's like a snowball fight: the one you hit in the face wants to get back at ya

Thealteregoroman · February 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

They really should have just made inner fire the first undaunted skill. It makes more sense and is usable from the start of the game.

No tank is going to waste time on a super slow staff heavy attack to taunt something that's turning his healer into a midday snack

LMFAO!

Vaoh · February 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

It's like a snowball fight: the one you hit in the face wants to get back at ya

....would not be surprised if this was legit the same reasoning ZOS used

MercTheMage · February 2017

Tapio75 wrote: »

The taunt is nice feature. But i think it should have been part of force shock morph or perphaps on impulse

lel no. If an ice tank needs to regen, they can heavy attack for that, and hold agro at the same time.
If you're dps wanting to regen, you shouldn't be using an ice staff in the first place, so it's a non issue.

Woeler · February 2017

Kildayen wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The heavy attack is basically "free" taunt. Other taunts are skills (Puncture for stamina & Inner Fire for magicka).
So with frost staff you have one additional slot for skill.

DING DING DING! We have a winner! It is a free taunt that will allow you to have an additional slot for something else. When people adapt and learn how to use this taunt, they will be happy they did.

Will be very handy when you are not blocking in a trial because you have to taunt. I guess there is lots of time to learn when you are dead on the ground.

jbjondeaueb17_ESO · February 2017

Why not use the other morph of elemental drain ?
Somebody use it at the moment ?

Tapio75 · February 2017

MercTheMage wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

The taunt is nice feature. But i think it should have been part of force shock morph or perphaps on impulse

lel no. If an ice tank needs to regen, they can heavy attack for that, and hold agro at the same time.
If you're dps wanting to regen, you shouldn't be using an ice staff in the first place, so it's a non issue.

You need to see the game outside group content and min maxing, thanks.

Tapio75 · February 2017

jbjondeaueb17_ESO wrote: »

Why not use the other morph of elemental drain ?
Somebody use it at the moment ?

Yeah, why not, perphaps clench could have taunt as an extra as well.

How ever it is done, it needs to be frost staff specific so that selecting a morph only taunts on frost staff while other are as they are now.

ADarklore · May 2017

I don't think a thread that's less than six months old can be considered 'necroing', can it?

Anyway, with the Warden being frost-oriented, the taunt is something players should keep in mind if they are planning to use a Frost staff with their build. However, as someone in this thread pointed out, the way to avoid the taunt is to simply NOT put any points into Tri-Focus. Honestly, the tiny 'damage shield' that you get with Tri-Focus is not worth having to deal with the taunt aspect... so I think people will be fine using Ice staff while just skipping the Tri-Focus passive altogether.

I know, I know, min/maxers will be screaming about Lightning's 8% AoE or Inferno's 8% Single Target damage... but if you're playing a Warden using Frost damage (class and destro) abilities, you still have the 6% increase from the Winter tree.