Why should they bring this from behind sub. Its been behind sub how long??? Obviously, they didn't lose subs because of it which is why it is still there. I am willing to bet the subs went UP, not down. People that think players wont sub for this single option is crazy. It is easily worth 15 a month.

All the ones speculating the game would do better if it was free. I think its the opposite. Just stop...Anyone in their right mind knows at this point 90% of the people that sub only sub for the bag. If they made it free, I think in the long run they would lose money. This is about them...not you.

The funny thing is all the people on here that acts as if the bag inst already an option for 100% of the player base. It is....the option for you to have it is already there. How much more available could they make it..... Just because you don't like the option doesnt make the statement any less true.

Crafting bag is fine as is, pay ESO+ or do without. How else could I have amassed 11000 Alkahest but with the craft bag.

Someone here suggested unlimited inventory space at 1000 crowns per slot - I'd go along with that, if anyone is silly enough to buy it, let them have as many inventory slots as they like.

Making the craft bag an ESO+ exclusive furnishing pretty much confirms they're not maneuvering outside the current system.

Craft bag, costume dyes, and double furnishings are a solid trio of perks for $15 a month. Plus you get a few minor buffs, and if nothing else interests you, four guilt-free crate gambles. Even if DLC is a wash at this point, there's enough other stuff there.

I can see the argument against not continuously subbing - there's definitely a point where you can kick back and survive off what you've already done with the perks. But you're not getting ripped off if you wake up and say, hey, let's get ESO+ this month. Audiences sank more than 40 million dollars into the Fifty Shades sequel. That's what a lot of people flushing $15 down the drain actually looks like.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Follow me here:
- We know most don't sub
- We know many threaten not to sub if AC or Y is or isn't changed each update
- We know DLC for ESO Plus will only come at most 3 times a year but based on housing, it's twice a year.

• We don't know how many sub, or do not sub.
• We know that some people in the forum announce they are unsubscribing, but we don't know whether these people really are unsubscribed, like they say they are. And stay that way.
• We do not know how many new people subscribe every day.

Personally, I believe that the ESO Plus on PC NA is very popular. I have no more proof of this than your "we know most don't sub" statement. Fact is, we don't know.

@lordrichter

I started to type all this detailed stuff.....in short I'm referring to Xbox one.

There's a lot we can see because of how he store, game hub, clubs and social systems work.

There are more who don't subscribe period and consider since release, the majority of us who continue to try and subscribe, don't get crowns still as well as not getting access to dlc unde a active sub.

Ppl don't give money away for free....pc and PS4 may differ but it's so low on Xbox one that we don't even have options to buy more than 30 days.

It was confirmed that actual sales are split evenly among the three platforms.

Youre speaking for one platform. PS4 is very popular and has held a top spot on Add-Ons for quite a while.

Saying that more players dont sub doesnt change anything for ZOS. The vast majority dont sub AND they dont pay beyond the base game. So by your logic ZOS should open up Crafting Bags to players that dont pay because.......? Why would they stop something that consistently brings in 15 dollars per Sub monthly vs a one time purchase that will never garner them another cent for the life of that account?

@NewBlacksmurf
I am prepared to pay my ESO+ for QoL and if others are not prepared to pay it, that is their choice. The only other thing I can suggest is that if you want to get the same major perk as a subscriber, it should come at a substantial cost - maybe the equivalent of 12 months subs or more.

As it is, anyone can get around the inventory issue very cheaply by getting a 1 months sub to ESO+, putting all of their crafting supplies in the craft bag, farm as much as possible for a month and then simply not renew it.

Why should someone have a one off option of even $60 for a permanent craft bag when lots pf players are happy paying their monthly dues?

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Follow me here:
- We know most don't sub
- We know many threaten not to sub if AC or Y is or isn't changed each update
- We know DLC for ESO Plus will only come at most 3 times a year but based on housing, it's twice a year.

• We don't know how many sub, or do not sub.
• We know that some people in the forum announce they are unsubscribing, but we don't know whether these people really are unsubscribed, like they say they are. And stay that way.
• We do not know how many new people subscribe every day.

Personally, I believe that the ESO Plus on PC NA is very popular. I have no more proof of this than your "we know most don't sub" statement. Fact is, we don't know.

@lordrichter

I started to type all this detailed stuff.....in short I'm referring to Xbox one.

There's a lot we can see because of how he store, game hub, clubs and social systems work.

There are more who don't subscribe period and consider since release, the majority of us who continue to try and subscribe, don't get crowns still as well as not getting access to dlc unde a active sub.

Ppl don't give money away for free....pc and PS4 may differ but it's so low on Xbox one that we don't even have options to buy more than 30 days.

It was confirmed that actual sales are split evenly among the three platforms.

Youre speaking for one platform. PS4 is very popular and has held a top spot on Add-Ons for quite a while.

Saying that more players dont sub doesnt change anything for ZOS. The vast majority dont sub AND they dont pay beyond the base game. So by your logic ZOS should open up Crafting Bags to players that dont pay because.......? Why would they stop something that consistently brings in 15 dollars per Sub monthly vs a one time purchase that will never garner them another cent for the life of that account?

@Korah_Eaglecry

Please scroll up and read. I didn't suggest removing the Unlimited option from a sub nor did I suggest offering an unlimited option for paying customers outside of a sub.

The results of their subs pre Tamriel Unlimited til now doesn't fit most of their customers. So yes it makes complete sense to offer other opportunities for other paying customers.

dbgager wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Crafting bag is fine as is, pay ESO+ or do without. How else could I have amassed 11000 Alkahest but with the craft bag.

Someone here suggested unlimited inventory space at 1000 crowns per slot - I'd go along with that, if anyone is silly enough to buy it, let them have as many inventory slots as they like.

So you're arguing that it's reasonable to expect everyone who wants QoL inventory be forced to pay $15/month or pay $10/slot but considering that this game wouldn't launch with a sub, that no option to buy a limited bag for 1000 -5500 crowns for 25-100 slots isn't something they should ever offer?

@disintegr8
That contradicts allowing players to buy dlc or chapters. That's like saying you can only play dlc unless you subscribe.

That's the point of view this topics aligns under.

Not having a crafting bag does not stop you from doing anything in the game. Its a convenience item. A very powerful one that not any other game i can think of has. Zenimax is a company. A companies goal is to make money. If they want to make money then it is to their advantage to motivate people to sub. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Not a thing. If you want that convenience pay for that sub. This used to be a sub only game. If you want to play for free then your not going to get all the advantages of subbing. Subbers all paid for the original game to. The difference is they all pay an additional cost of $180 year. Far more than that original purchase to enjoy the subbing advantages.

@dbgager
.....scroll up. I do sub.
Regarding being a business.....if they intend to actually make money their current model is shooting themselves in the foot. It's exactly why their taking feedback and have stopped using ESO Plus for dlc and replaced one with a chapter outside of it and intend on making changes to the sub.

Consider mounts, costumes, motif, dlc, chapter expansions are all accessible for purchase. The crafting bag isn't, however, they removed their sub because a significant amount of their player base was/is adverse to that.

A company who doesn't offer options for their current and future player base eventually ceases to fund itself. That's the whole point of all their 2017 changes.

disintegr8 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf
I am prepared to pay my ESO+ for QoL and if others are not prepared to pay it, that is their choice. The only other thing I can suggest is that if you want to get the same major perk as a subscriber, it should come at a substantial cost - maybe the equivalent of 12 months subs or more.

As it is, anyone can get around the inventory issue very cheaply by getting a 1 months sub to ESO+, putting all of their crafting supplies in the craft bag, farm as much as possible for a month and then simply not renew it.

Why should someone have a one off option of even $60 for a permanent craft bag when lots pf players are happy paying their monthly dues?

@disintegr8
Your opinion is far off any realistic value.
Let's understand that those who don't subscribe aren't doing so because.....they don't want to subscribe. It's that simple. It's not that IF ESO Plus were changed, they would.

Now the idea that if someone wants QoL they must subscribe or do without.

As I noted above....so would you suggest ZOS change dlc so that it's only accessible via a sub and not via any other purchase? That's a very poor business decision for ZOS which is why this topic continues to come up.

Also comprehend that you're trying to create and base a limited bag cost for your ESO plus sub which isn't $15/month for a craftingbag

Heck the bag hasn't even existed for 12 months
All things considered, you're paying about $1/month maybe $2 for the bag.

1,000-5500 crowns for 25-100 slot bag is extremely reasonable.

Lots of players aren't happy with being forced to sub as the only option for additional inventory options. Ppl who don't have any reservation to sub are happy but seemingly you're speaking for yourself and not everyone cause there's a few very large threads expressing they don't want to sub anymore cause of the dlc change with Morrowind.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The problem with this poll is that the crown numbers do not even get close to the value of the bag. 10000 was as high as it went. I wouldn't sell it for less than US$500.

$500?

Really $500? Really lol?
Please come back down to planet Earth.

We get it the crafting bag is only allowed for "loyal subs" in no way should it be sold to lesser creatures without the sub. Because that wouldn't be fair and life isn't fair.

Yeah, $500 for a permanent unlimited crafting bag. Minimum.

Figure people are subscribing for the bag. Estimate how many months they would like to have people subscribe. Multiply by $15. I figured that they might want people to subscribe for 2 and a half years, and rounded to $500.

As far as subscriptions go, a crown bag is Pandora's Box. Once they price it and sell it, they can't go back. If they lose subscriptions, that bag has to be worth what that subscription is worth. They won't be too generous and give it away because once people have the bag, they won't pay for it again.

This is moot. They have no reason to make Crown bags, and every reason to keep them ESO Plus. Anything they add to ESO Plus will benefit from the bag, and be a harder sell without it. They want people to buy ESO Plus. It is the best of both worlds for them.

alifesoft wrote: »

What do you think about permanent purchasing of crafting bag like DLC permanent purchasing.

No because this is what makes subbing worth it truly, crowns are nice but the biggest feature is the crafting bag.

As for me, crafting bag should not be even exist. But if it is, it should be for subscription only. It is only reason to pay for subscription anyway.

Pay the subscription, get crowns, get DLC´s and other benefots.

Should be free IMO, but if you have to put a price on it, it'll have to be 10.000 crowns.
The banker & merchant are both 5.000 crowns and not as useful as the actual NPC, while this bag is definatly thrice as useful as both of these assistants combined. I would consider paying that much, but lower is also good.

I don't see them doing it for any amount of crowns as someone could just sub till they had enough crowns for it and all dlc then just stop subbing. I could see them adding it as an account upgrade for real world currency, even though that would still be unlikely.