housing caused an immersion break

AzuraKin · February 2017

while i dont care if they change position of skills on a bar or even change the entire skill out with something new, i do not and i repeat do not like them breaking my immersion into the game when i suddenly got to retrain skills that were already trained because they moved the damn skill to another slot. for example bound armor on my sorc is no longer able to be morphed, conjured ward the skill that it swapped with was fully morphed so why do i have to run around with 5% more *** magicka when i am a stam sorc and i need that damn 5% *** stamina not 5% more *** magicka. and this is just 1 of dozens of skills that they have messed up and is breaking my immersion into my characters.

fix the immersion experience zos, how am i suppose to immerse myself in a game when i have to be constantly worried if i gonna in a month, 2 months 3 months whatever have to retrain my skills to use them again?

idk · February 2017

DKs were the first to deal with this and while it was a WTF moment it was hardly immersion breaking.

The skill will level up to morph fast and you will be able to immerse yourself once again. It's not something that's been a regular occurrence.

Tandor · February 2017

I wonder if this is the OP's first MMO?

Unlike single-player offline games which are fixed at launch, MMOs evolve over time and that includes sklll balancing. It's something that players have to adapt to, and it pays to have an overall attachment to a character that stops short of being obsessively committed to a particular skill or skill line. As for whether a character is stamina or magicka oriented, few if any skill changes impact massively in that respect and, again, small changes can easily be adapted to.

If this isn't the OP's first MMO, then he/she will already know this, of course.

For me, far from destroying my immersion such changes keep the game fresh and interesting

[SNIp]

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AzuraKin · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DKs were the first to deal with this and while it was a WTF moment it was hardly immersion breaking.

The skill will level up to morph fast and you will be able to immerse yourself once again. It's not something that's been a regular occurrence.

seeing it happened this time, means that the randon skill 3 months ago on a toon that suddenly had to be retrained to morph range + retrain morphs was not a accidental miss, it was a previous example of this very thing. it is immersion breaking, i cannot immerse myself in the game, heck it destroys my interested in the game if i cannot rely on training a skill and having it remain lvled.

TBois · February 2017

This is definitely an annoying bug. Luckily we didn't lose xp of the morphed abilities. It did affect one ability in almost every class and weapon line.

dday3six · February 2017

Just spend a bit of time re-leveling it's not the end of the world. The sky is not falling Chicken Little. Skill rearranging is a rare occurrence. As I recall it's only been done one other time.

IronCrystal · February 2017

I know its frustrating, but the morphed ability is still leveled.

So all you have to do is max the base ability.

Hope that helps!

idk · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DKs were the first to deal with this and while it was a WTF moment it was hardly immersion breaking.

The skill will level up to morph fast and you will be able to immerse yourself once again. It's not something that's been a regular occurrence.

seeing it happened this time, means that the randon skill 3 months ago on a toon that suddenly had to be retrained to morph range + retrain morphs was not a accidental miss, it was a previous example of this very thing. it is immersion breaking, i cannot immerse myself in the game, heck it destroys my interested in the game if i cannot rely on training a skill and having it remain lvled.

@AzuraKin

Lol. Immersion breaking. To help with your immersion:

A great evil is awakening in an area of Morrowind. This evil is causing havok all across the land with skills being changed and reordered, houses popping up out of nowhere and being sold for 50 million gold or one trillions crown.

This great evil is the onset of dark times for the whole of Tamriel. Will there be a hero grave enough that face this threat even though their skills have been re-ordered?

Will @AzuraKin be that hero?

Problem solved. Immersion reset.

Tryxus · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DKs were the first to deal with this and while it was a WTF moment it was hardly immersion breaking.

The skill will level up to morph fast and you will be able to immerse yourself once again. It's not something that's been a regular occurrence.

seeing it happened this time, means that the randon skill 3 months ago on a toon that suddenly had to be retrained to morph range + retrain morphs was not a accidental miss, it was a previous example of this very thing. it is immersion breaking, i cannot immerse myself in the game, heck it destroys my interested in the game if i cannot rely on training a skill and having it remain lvled.

@AzuraKin

Lol. Immersion breaking. To help with your immersion:

A great evil is awakening in an area of Morrowind. This evil is causing havok all across the land with skills being changed and reordered, houses popping up out of nowhere and being sold for 50 million gold or one trillions crown.

This great evil is the onset of dark times for the whole of Tamriel. Will there be a hero grave enough that face this threat even though their skills have been re-ordered?

Will @AzuraKin be that hero?

Problem solved. Immersion reset.

Prob not, cuz by the time he retrained those skills, evil will have won

idk · February 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DKs were the first to deal with this and while it was a WTF moment it was hardly immersion breaking.

The skill will level up to morph fast and you will be able to immerse yourself once again. It's not something that's been a regular occurrence.

seeing it happened this time, means that the randon skill 3 months ago on a toon that suddenly had to be retrained to morph range + retrain morphs was not a accidental miss, it was a previous example of this very thing. it is immersion breaking, i cannot immerse myself in the game, heck it destroys my interested in the game if i cannot rely on training a skill and having it remain lvled.

@AzuraKin

Lol. Immersion breaking. To help with your immersion:

A great evil is awakening in an area of Morrowind. This evil is causing havok all across the land with skills being changed and reordered, houses popping up out of nowhere and being sold for 50 million gold or one trillions crown.

This great evil is the onset of dark times for the whole of Tamriel. Will there be a hero grave enough that face this threat even though their skills have been re-ordered?

Will @AzuraKin be that hero?

Problem solved. Immersion reset.

Prob not, cuz by the time he retrained those skills, evil will have won

Then there is only one hero that can save Tamriel. Will @runagate come to our rescue.

DocFrost72 · February 2017

Warden housing did the planemeld.

But seriously, why is housing in the title? These are the real questions.

alexkdd99 · February 2017

Tandor wrote:

[SNIp]

He is taking about how they changed the order skills appear as well. So skills he had maxed out are no longer maxed out. That is not normal for mmo's. Changing how skills work and their stats are part of mmo's, but removing xp from your skills so you have to level them again is not.(atleast not any I'm aware of)

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ThePaleItalian · February 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I wonder if this is the OP's first MMO?

Unlike single-player offline games which are fixed at launch, MMOs evolve over time and that includes sklll balancing. It's something that players have to adapt to, and it pays to have an overall attachment to a character that stops short of being obsessively committed to a particular skill or skill line. As for whether a character is stamina or magicka oriented, few if any skill changes impact massively in that respect and, again, small changes can easily be adapted to.

If this isn't the OP's first MMO, then he/she will already know this, of course.

For me, far from destroying my immersion such changes keep the game fresh and interesting - that is, whenever I actually notice the changes rather than simply reading the QQ posts about them !

or maybe you should read what people write before you make assUmptions.

I read it very clearly, thank you.

Doesn't seem so. He is taking about how they changed the order skills appear as well. So skills he had maxed out are no longer maxed out. That is not normal for mmo's. Changing how skills work and their stats are part of mmo's, but removing xp from your skills so you have to level them again is not.(atleast not any I'm aware of)

Have you played WoW? They completely remove skills, complete revamps and everything. Constantly changing rotations every year or so. But hey its ok. I get the tiny issue with the ex gains, but we will be able to train them in a blink of an eye.

I am just hear for my monthly quota of "Immersion"

AzuraKin · February 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Warden housing did the planemeld.

But seriously, why is housing in the title? These are the real questions.

i dont know, MAYBE BECAUSE IT WAS THE HOUSING UPDATE THAT DID IT.

Enodoc · February 2017

And there was me expecting a break of immersion caused by housing. This has got absolutely nothing to do with housing.

I guess I can understand how suddenly not knowing a skill that you knew before is a bit immersion breaking, but then skill training is very much a system that doesn't usually mesh well with immersion anyway.

qsnoopyjr · February 2017

They balancing game off animation canceling, which many players do not even know about.

Its not really animation canceling, its really the DPS those players do, and the developers see it and think to themselves. This skill is too powerful.
Yeah, if you animation cancel with it. The other players who have no idea what animation canceling is, those players get the real shaft.

You wonder why Veteran Dungeons are so hard for random PUGs... They have no idea about animation canceling and cannot compete with the DPS needed that animation cancelers do, which makes the dungeon a DPS check. So since they cannot meet that DPS, long hours are spent in frustration.

Meanwhile, developers look at a skill that the animation cancelers put out and have to nerf it because it deals so much damage, making the regular players who never taught or found out the trick of animation canceling get the biggest brunt of the nerf.

So basically, they just trying to balance things around animation cancelers, if its moving traits and getting rid of stuff, thats what it is. But they must not read forums. Too much data to comprehend. Forums is just for community enjoyment or place for community to stress frustration with other players.

Because, when is last time you saw a GM in the game, just cuz he wanted to be there? Not cuz he fixing an issue?
Because when is last time you saw a ZoS or any ESO employee take part of discussions? Not cuz he stating something, but because they wanted to bring about ideas and tell you there intentions why they made something the way they made it?

Callous2208 · February 2017

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

AzuraKin · February 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

or maybe you just too closeminded to see how i used it. zos cares about immersion so i explained how people not being able to rely on the ability to remorph skills. like when they go oh i wanna change this skill to the other skill and go and respec only to find suddenly they cannot remorph skill for god knows what reason, or to have a patch come out and bam no longer can they use the morphs of skills they have relied on because suddenly they gotta use base skill that is useless to them after they spent the time previously training that skill to morph range effects players characters and creates distrust in the game, the devs, which derails player interest and involvement.

Callous2208 · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

or maybe you just too closeminded to see how i used it. zos cares about immersion so i explained how people not being able to rely on the ability to remorph skills. like when they go oh i wanna change this skill to the other skill and go and respec only to find suddenly they cannot remorph skill for god knows what reason, or to have a patch come out and bam no longer can they use the morphs of skills they have relied on because suddenly they gotta use base skill that is useless to them after they spent the time previously training that skill to morph range effects players characters and creates distrust in the game, the devs, which derails player interest and involvement.

Cool words. You just described every mmo since forever. Persistent, ever changing world's brother. Still not really seeing where immersion comes into play in all this.

qsnoopyjr · February 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

My post?
Well this guy mentions housing, and all I see is my Magic increased 5% and stamina decreased 5%.
This guy already offtopic LOL.
Nothing to do with housing.

Callous2208 · February 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

My post?
Well this guy mentions housing, and all I see is my Magic increased 5% and stamina decreased 5%.
This guy already offtopic LOL.
Nothing to do with housing.

I ain't even mad at ya. I just know silly posts like this that make no sense, quickly turn into platforms for folks to bring up other random issues.

AzuraKin · February 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

or maybe you just too closeminded to see how i used it. zos cares about immersion so i explained how people not being able to rely on the ability to remorph skills. like when they go oh i wanna change this skill to the other skill and go and respec only to find suddenly they cannot remorph skill for god knows what reason, or to have a patch come out and bam no longer can they use the morphs of skills they have relied on because suddenly they gotta use base skill that is useless to them after they spent the time previously training that skill to morph range effects players characters and creates distrust in the game, the devs, which derails player interest and involvement.

Cool words. You just described every mmo since forever. Persistent, ever changing world's brother. Still not really seeing where immersion comes into play in all this.

must be high, saying cool words like you read what was said but missig the entire point of what was said. I DID NOT SAY CHANGING POSITION OF SKILLS ON BAR WAS IMMERSION BREAKING, I DID NOT SAY CHANGING SKILLS IN ANY WAY WAS IMMERSION BREAKING, I SAID TAKING XP EARNED FROM SKILLS WAS IMMERSION BREAKING.

Callous2208 · February 2017

But it's not immersion breaking. And if I'm high and you're not, and that's the type of grammatically superior and well punctuated paragraphs you come up with...

Here, take some of what I'm smoking and sit your ass in the corner to calm down.

idk · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

And so begins the era of off topic rage posts that have nothing to do with the OP's misunderstanding of the word immersion. The post 2 spots above mine won't be the last.

or maybe you just too closeminded to see how i used it. zos cares about immersion so i explained how people not being able to rely on the ability to remorph skills. like when they go oh i wanna change this skill to the other skill and go and respec only to find suddenly they cannot remorph skill for god knows what reason, or to have a patch come out and bam no longer can they use the morphs of skills they have relied on because suddenly they gotta use base skill that is useless to them after they spent the time previously training that skill to morph range effects players characters and creates distrust in the game, the devs, which derails player interest and involvement.

Cool words. You just described every mmo since forever. Persistent, ever changing world's brother. Still not really seeing where immersion comes into play in all this.

must be high, saying cool words like you read what was said but missig the entire point of what was said. I DID NOT SAY CHANGING POSITION OF SKILLS ON BAR WAS IMMERSION BREAKING, I DID NOT SAY CHANGING SKILLS IN ANY WAY WAS IMMERSION BREAKING, I SAID TAKING XP EARNED FROM SKILLS WAS IMMERSION BREAKING.

Technically your incorrect.

Skills stop aging XP once their fully leveled. Any XP earned afterward is not recorded.

Since Zos moved these skills to higher levels that need more XP they are no longer fully leveled.

It's life in an MMO. lol f it's somehow immersion breaking I suggest you find a distraction two help you move past this because most importantly of us have been able to adjust with little issue.

Edit: and if you consider posts to be rage because they l don't agree with you or find humor in what is a humorous thread then I'd suggest you avoid the use of all caps cause yelling is keep kinda looks like rage.

BRCOURTN · February 2017

If you're so immersed in a game that having to level a certain skill for an hour or two is breaking said immersion, then you probably need to take a break from the game anyways...

idk · February 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Minor inconvenience != Immersion breaking

Weekly maintenance breaks my immersion as I should be living in Tamriel at all times. :'(

I fell ya on that. Reading patch notes breaks my immersion as well so I just go blindly into the game after the update to have my immersion broken anyhow when i discover Zos changed how some of my skills worked.

qsnoopyjr · February 2017

Oooh, noo.

How come we now have a lot of people that cannot complete Veteran Dungeons now.
Use to be an odd percentage of people who took 4 hours to do it... Now its 4 hours and they never complete it.

Did we nerf it too much?
What the heck is that odd number??
Animation Canceling? Whats that? Why have none of you mentioned this to me? Of course it needs to go away, its giving me bad data and making my calculations all wrong.

All it took was 1 animation cancling DPS guy to carry? Oh and if you had 2, you could literally do it in few short minutes?
But if you have no animation cancling people in your DPS... You basically struggle?
This isnt fair, my data is all wrong. Very disappointed that no one brought this up to me.
You guys make me look very bad.

OrphanHelgen · February 2017

I did a morph respec 2 min before raiding, and my poison injection couldn't be morphed.

idk · February 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I did a morph respec 2 min before raiding, and my poison injection couldn't be morphed.

That's it, your off the raid team because your dps dropped below 50k. Call back once you have it know morphed again.

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DocFrost72 · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Warden housing did the planemeld.

But seriously, why is housing in the title? These are the real questions.

i dont know, MAYBE BECAUSE IT WAS THE HOUSING UPDATE THAT DID IT.

@AzuraKin You mean the Homestead update?

Thanks for clearing that up, though. On topic, you don't need to fully relevel them. Morphs take a universal amount of XP, so once you get poison arrow to V (end of IV), and morph it, you're right back where you started.

Is it annoying? Kinda? I really don't know how it's immersion breaking though.