frost staff taunting didnt change...

dsalter · February 2017

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Stannum · February 2017

Yep, HA taunt is nonsense as you cannot do it urgent and cannot do it blocking. Clench is much more obvious option.

Lynx7386 · February 2017

What they should have done is make inner fire the first undaunted skill.

Komma · February 2017

Ya. With the new class coming out this can not stay a taunt lol.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2017

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

dsalter · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

then allow the morph crushing to taunt, no big deal

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2017

dsalter wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

then allow the morph crushing to taunt, no big deal

There is just no reason to add a taunt to the line. I would prefer they change the other morph of eledrain to apply major fracture. If you want to DPS with an ice staff, you just don't put skill points into the passive. Literally that easy. People use crunching shock in PvP too.

How many ice DPS have you seen? Like I said, I have prolly ran over 10k dungeons in my time and LITERALLY ZERO ice DPS.

Artemiisia · February 2017

Stannum wrote: »

Yep, HA taunt is nonsense as you cannot do it urgent and cannot do it blocking. Clench is much more obvious option.

u dont need to hold block as a tank all the time, lots of time to deal a HA attack.

not saying I like the new frost skill, but ill def going to try it out, since it opens up for more 2nd bar skills as tank, + its a new ranged taunt, u might not even need inner fire as back up anymore

Cronopoly · February 2017

I could see some hybrid Tanks using it back bar for some Ice CC, and Destro Ice Ulti...

Artemiisia · February 2017

thats what im aiming for Cronopoly, I hope to make a dps tank for 4 man content

I have been a tanky tank for a long time, and its way to boring for me personal now in 4 man content to just stand and block, that I wanna try to see if I can do other stuff as well, + I can maybe be a support tank also with having elemental drain on backbar, which means healer has new options as well

Lynx7386 · February 2017

I'm intrigued by the idea of a heavy armor tank using frost staff on one bar and 1h/shield on the other. You'd always be able to block from one resource or the other.

Stannum · February 2017

dsalter wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

then allow the morph crushing to taunt, no big deal

Not morph. Only change ice clench option for taunt.

EldritchPenguin · February 2017

Komma wrote: »

Ya. With the new class coming out this can not stay a taunt lol.

The new class doesn't really have anything to do with it. Even disregarding the upcoming buffs to Inferno and Lightning, Magicka DPS Wardens would have been better off with Inferno than Frost, anyway. I mean, this isn't Diablo or Grim Dawn or something where you can really benefit from specializing in one sole damage type. We don't have any gear or CP stars that boost Frost damage only.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2017

Just make the taunt aspect a passive unlocked early in the line.

Check it, it taunts, don't it doesn't.

Costs one skillpoint & problem solved both ways.

Waffennacht · February 2017

I suspect a sneaky suggestion that removes the roots, I suspect a sneaky nerf thread.

EldritchPenguin · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

then allow the morph crushing to taunt, no big deal

There is just no reason to add a taunt to the line. I would prefer they change the other morph of eledrain to apply major fracture. If you want to DPS with an ice staff, you just don't put skill points into the passive. Literally that easy. People use crunching shock in PvP too.

How many ice DPS have you seen? Like I said, I have prolly ran over 10k dungeons in my time and LITERALLY ZERO ice DPS.

I don't think the complaints about the heavy attack being the taunt have anything to do with the Ice Staff as a DPS weapon, and everything to do with the taunt being clunky and slow, on top of requiring the tank to drop block for an agonizingly long time to pull it off. It's the kind of thing that will probably only be useful at the beginning of a fight, since a tank simply does not have the time to fully charge up a staff attack. I don't see people dropping Inner Fire because of the heavy attack taunt. All I really see happening with it is Tremorscale shenanigans in PvP.

Lynx7386 · February 2017

Wonder if the frost taunt works on partial charged attacks, i.e. medium attacks

UNSeki · February 2017

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

We don't have any gear or CP stars that boost Frost damage only.

Except we do. Ice Furnace Set and Ysgramor's Birthright Set. Also, we have the Elemental Expert CP star, which could be even more useful for frost dps. Still, the game should have more frost dmg skils for frost dps to really be a thing for other classes as well.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Wonder if the frost taunt works on partial charged attacks, i.e. medium attacks

Yeah, I wish it did, but apparently it doesnt.

Molydeus · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

I use frost staffs all the time while leveling a character. If a frost staff is the best staff avaliable then I use it until something better comes along. Very strange that you've played for 2 years and *never* seen a player using one. I have gotten mostly frost staffs while leveling my sorcerer so I have usually had one equipped.

lucky_Sage · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

do you know how many people want to be a frost dps and with the new class coming there will be people using it
and ive been wanting to be a frost mage since before launch but now frost tabking ruined it in pve
good thing i only pve to gett passives or gear

UNSeki · February 2017

Molydeus wrote: »

I use frost staffs all the time while leveling a character. If a frost staff is the best staff avaliable then I use it until something better comes along. Very strange that you've played for 2 years and *never* seen a player using one. I have gotten mostly frost staffs while leveling my sorcerer so I have usually had one equipped.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about dungeons or builds. I havent seen anyone using frost staffs in dungeons since Tamriel Unlimited (and even before there werent many people using them).

Artemiisia · February 2017

I have been trolling my friends in dungeons with this, slamming on my frost staff on back bar as healer

EldritchPenguin · February 2017

meu.cachorronrb18_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

We don't have any gear or CP stars that boost Frost damage only.

Except we do. Ice Furnace Set and Ysgramor's Birthright Set. Also, we have the Elemental Expert CP star, which could be even more useful for frost dps. Still, the game should have more frost dmg skils for frost dps to really be a thing for other classes as well.

I'll concede that point. However, Ysgramor suffers the same problems as Silks of the Sun (a health bonus resulting in DPS loss, does not benefit from Major Sorcery, does not boost healing spells), while Ice Furnace has a few problems of its own (heavy armor only, very low proc damage).

My point about Elemental Expert isn't that it doesn't boost Frost DPS, but that it doesn't especially benefit Frost DPS. Elemental Expert doesn't benefit one element builds any more than it benefits four element builds. I realize my post was poorly worded in that regard, but there's no CP path that benefits picking one sole damage type and milking it for everything it's worth. And gear is more or less the same way in that regard; Ysgramor is weaker that Julianos in terms of DPS, and Julianos doesn't lock you into one damage type. BSW benefits from dealing substantial fire damage, but doesn't require it--if you have two fire DoTs, it's easy to get high enough uptime on it to outperform Julianos, regardless of what other damage types you're running.

Here's what my original post should have said: Having a primarily Frost-based class doesn't mean that Frost Staff tanking shouldn't be a thing, because there's no advantage to running pure Frost over running 2-4 elements, and Fire and Lightning staves are far better DPS options than Frost staves anyway (which was true before Homestead, between BSW for fire staves and AoE heavy attacks for lightning staves).

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2017

meu.cachorronrb18_ESO wrote: »

Molydeus wrote: »

I use frost staffs all the time while leveling a character. If a frost staff is the best staff avaliable then I use it until something better comes along. Very strange that you've played for 2 years and *never* seen a player using one. I have gotten mostly frost staffs while leveling my sorcerer so I have usually had one equipped.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about dungeons or builds. I havent seen anyone using frost staffs in dungeons since Tamriel Unlimited (and even before there werent many people using them).

I was talking about what you are saying, I even started as much in my post.

This whole frost staff DPS stuff is bunk. How could a frost staff be different? Simply making it a copy of lightning or fire is lazy and if you want to use a frost staff for CC, well in a dungeon, CC is handle by the tank. DPS just needs to kill stuff when it comes to group content.

Waffennacht · February 2017

Let's wait to see the warden. If he has the right stuff frost staff + Winterborn could be really good.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · February 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

To ensure Frost Staff tanking can be used as soon as you can enter dungeons at level 10, we’ve put a taunt on the heavy attack; this means you don’t have to gain ranks with the Undaunted faction to start experiencing this playstyle. This does have the potential to cause issues with players who have Tri Focus and are doing DPS with a Frost Staff. We’re aware of this potential issue and will make adjustments in the future as needed.

i see the suggestion i made of putting the taunt into the first skill of destruction staff while using a frost staff went unanswered... the morph destructive clench would have made the perfect opportunity for making frost staff taunt.

Well force pulse is the first skill you unlock in the destroy staff tree now, so that suggestion goes out the window. I really don't see the problem. I have played this game for over 2 years and you know how many ice staff DPS I have seen? Literally zero. I have never seen ANYONE join a dungeon, with an ice staff equiped, as a DPS. People are making a mountain out of a molehill for no real reason.

then allow the morph crushing to taunt, no big deal

There is just no reason to add a taunt to the line. I would prefer they change the other morph of eledrain to apply major fracture. If you want to DPS with an ice staff, you just don't put skill points into the passive. Literally that easy. People use crunching shock in PvP too.

How many ice DPS have you seen? Like I said, I have prolly ran over 10k dungeons in my time and LITERALLY ZERO ice DPS.

100% Frost Mage DPS here. I don't have as high as my Storm and Fire Mage compatriots, but my survivability while causing high Deeps has been loved and bedaffled by all I've ran with.

#FrostMageDPSLivesMatter haha

Joosef_Kivikilpi · February 2017

do you know how many people want to be a frost dps and with the new class coming there will be people using it
and ive been wanting to be a frost mage since before launch but now frost tabking ruined it in pve
good thing i only pve to gett passives or gear [/quote]

My only thing about the Frost Tanking is that it could majorly mess with, as a Frost Mage dps, magick regeneration with the light attack animation weaving. You cut many abilities off with block, which then in turn will stop magicka regeneration for that split second, which then could cause the regen to miss its regen tick.

Please help us resolve this issue and how it could be remedied.

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno

datgladiatah · February 2017

I rarely see tanks that provide high enough CC that didn't make me wish for more. Talons doesn't solve all problems and not every tank slots bash or other target stuns. Besides, snares are very nice to have. I can definitely see frost staff DPS use their cc to benefit the team far more than, say, two melee stam dps that just stay in one place and die from mobs and mechanics. In terms of casual play, less so trials, I'd value someone with a frost staff.

More than likely though, the warden magdps won't be using a frost staff, either a different element or dual wield. They don't want to taunt with heavies but they can still make their sleet storm ability do a lot for them. High damage + cc can be better than simply higher damage against certain targets. A big thing in moba's is the ability to kite, it's why they had to nerf rylai's in league