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Sell the Warden Separately
Skritha
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I personally have zero interest in PvE or instanced PvP. So the new xpac doesn't provide much value for me. The Warden class, however, looks good.
At some point, maybe 6 months after the xpac's release it would be nice if just the Warden class was made available for purchase in the crown store. There is a precedent, The Lord of the Rings Online sells their expansion classes (one of whom also happens to be named the Warden) in the cash shop, and it seems to work fine.
I realize there was a whole debate about what is, and what is not, DLC, but I don't think ZOS can capture customers like me unless they do something like this.
At some point, maybe 6 months after the xpac's release it would be nice if just the Warden class was made available for purchase in the crown store. There is a precedent, The Lord of the Rings Online sells their expansion classes (one of whom also happens to be named the Warden) in the cash shop, and it seems to work fine.
I realize there was a whole debate about what is, and what is not, DLC, but I don't think ZOS can capture customers like me unless they do something like this.
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Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭I personally have zero interest in PvE or instanced PvP. So the new xpac doesn't provide much value for me. The Warden class, however, looks good.
At some point, maybe 6 months after the xpac's release it would be nice if just the Warden class was made available for purchase in the crown store. There is a precedent, The Lord of the Rings Online sells their expansion classes (one of whom also happens to be named the Warden) in the cash shop, and it seems to work fine.
I realize there was a whole debate about what is, and what is not, DLC, but I don't think ZOS can capture customers like me unless they do something like this.
So, what is it exactly you do in this game?21 -
Kawall✭✭✭I personally have zero interest in PvE or instanced PvP. So the new xpac doesn't provide much value for me. The Warden class, however, looks good.
At some point, maybe 6 months after the xpac's release it would be nice if just the Warden class was made available for purchase in the crown store. There is a precedent, The Lord of the Rings Online sells their expansion classes (one of whom also happens to be named the Warden) in the cash shop, and it seems to work fine.
I realize there was a whole debate about what is, and what is not, DLC, but I don't think ZOS can capture customers like me unless they do something like this.
So, what is it exactly you do in this game?
Probably ganking 3-4 people in Cyroddil whole day.4 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not gonna happen. The Warden class is part of the "hook" to get players that aren't nostalgic about Morrowind to buy the "chapter".Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Skritha
I would suggest the expansion would become available to subscribers just like DLCs are from the start. This will probably occur after 6-12 months. I would also expect this expansion to be inlcuded in a package at a reduced price about the same time just like they offered the first 4 DLC package recently.
For free, much longer than that, if ever.0 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
How is it going to be pay to win? We have no idea if the Warden is more powerful then other classes.
Calm your jimmies. The term pay to win is bandied about far too much and very incorrectly around here.Sweetrolls for all!
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AtAfternoon✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
Couldn't you make the same argument to claim ESO always have been p2w due to Imperials?2 -
Djem✭✭✭
Guys you need to buy the game to be able to play and therefore to win so this game is PAY TO WINTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
Glarthir is crazy. Maybe harmless crazy, maybe not.
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Guys you need to buy the game to be able to play and therefore to win so this game is PAY TO WINTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
LMAO.. I see what you did there?
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I mean jesus. I get it people want everything given to them anymore, but this is getting ridiculous.
How about they just start each piece of armor, and quest line separate as well? Each skill could be say 50 crowns too while you're at it.
I get people don't want to have to pay for their entertainment anymore, but you start asking for classes to be sold separate they will start breaking everything down. Just except it's an EXPANSION and that every other B2P MMO with or without a sub charges for expansions.2 -
Sovjet✭✭✭No buying and still wanna play new content, that's not the way the world works.For every player that quits, more will join in my name - Molag Bal 2E 5830 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Sell the Warden Separately"
Well it could be nice... but we all know it wont happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXDwIo5_AMo
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Makes this one question how do you WIN in ESO?
Guys you need to buy the game to be able to play and therefore to win so this game is PAY TO WINTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
Finishing the main quest? becoming emperor, doing all the trials?
Do the game continue afterwards? If not this one has to avoid winning.
However if you get an message like this it might be wort seeing
http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/205620-carz_2008_07_22_12_34_26_82_super.jpg
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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It's entirely plausible that it is going to be the strongest class right after release. It's likely not going to be the strongest by a huge margin, but it's very likely to the the top dog. Then, after release, they'll gradually bring it back in line with the other classes.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
How is it going to be pay to win? We have no idea if the Warden is more powerful then other classes.
Calm your jimmies. The term pay to win is bandied about far too much and very incorrectly around here.
The reason I say this? They want it to sell. If the Warden sucks, then far fewer people are going to spend $50 to be able to play it, and it will quickly be forgotten.
Obviously, I can't say for sure that this is going to be the case, but based on my experience with other (albeit primarily single-player) games that released new classes behind paywalls, it's pretty fair to anticipate a similar scenario.Edited by EldritchPenguin on February 13, 2017 2:18PMLilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think this is an unreasonable request. For those complaining about people wanting things for free I suggest you re-read the original post. The OP is not asking for the warden to be free, only to be able to buy it separately from a bunch of stuff they don't want.
ZOS are perfectly capable of splitting the expansion up and selling us each bit separately. They used to sell the Imperial upgrade, the palomino horse and I think some other stuff through the website so the tech is actually there already. And I think it's completely understandable that people would like to be able to buy things they want without things they don't want. If they gave us the choice I'd like a slightly cheaper Collectors Edition with the armoured horse, spider pet and grey bear but without the emotes because I'll probably never use them.
But I'm certain ZOS haven't just forgotten that they can sell small upgrades individually. They will have made a deliberate decision to package it all together as an expansion, for a variety of reasons which may well include requiring players to buy it all to get the part/s they want. So it's highly unlikely they're going to offer the option to get it separately.
If you're willing to wait (and you don't want the pre-order bonuses) the best option is to wait until 6 months or so after the expansion is released and then look on trustworthy 3rd party sites like Amazon. You'll probably be able to find a copy for far less than the current price. And that comes to basically the same thing - you still get the stuff you don't want, but you're not paying for it.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
Like Imperials are Pay to Win?
Like all IC/Orsinium/TG/DB/Hist DLC BoP sets are Pay to Win?@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭ITT OP is salty that the game is getting new content and he doesn't want to support it but doesn't want to be excluded.
here's a compromise OP :
IF you don't want to buy it, don't, add it to your wishlist & then when it goes on sale pick it up in a couple of months or a year from now? (aprox 6 months after it launched then)
OR
Support it and be included in the fold...
I am glad we are getting a new class, I am pre-ordering dat $#!*
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There are several main differences here.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
Like Imperials are Pay to Win?
Like all IC/Orsinium/TG/DB/Hist DLC BoP sets are Pay to Win?
First, a difference in race is far less important than a difference in class. A different race can give you better stats overall (Altmer's Gift of Magnus), or it can give you one or two tricks up your sleeve (Argonian's Resourceful), but a class can completely shake up your playstyle. Sure, different racials are important, but the difference between classes is far greater than the difference between races. It's also worth mentioning that Imperials are really only the go-to choice for tanks, and racials are the least important for tanks out of all three roles.
Second, not owning Orsinium does not prevent you from using Law of Julianos. You can't access the crafting stations, but crafted sets are BoE, so someone can make it for you, and then you can use it all the same.Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Skritha
I would suggest the expansion would become available to subscribers just like DLCs are from the start. This will probably occur after 6-12 months. I would also expect this expansion to be inlcuded in a package at a reduced price about the same time just like they offered the first 4 DLC package recently.
For free, much longer than that, if ever.
They will never do this because it would devalue the purchase in the first place and instead of purchasing an expansion when it came out, many people would just wait. They have also stated that Morrowind will NOT be available for Crowns, again, which would devalue the purchase of the expansion. Sure they offered the first 4 DLCs as a package, but they were also available from the Crown store from the very beginning... Matt Firor has already stated and Gina also stated that 'expansions' are different and will not be available in the Crown Store.CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭I personally have zero interest in PvE or instanced PvP. So the new xpac doesn't provide much value for me. The Warden class, however, looks good.
At some point, maybe 6 months after the xpac's release it would be nice if just the Warden class was made available for purchase in the crown store. There is a precedent, The Lord of the Rings Online sells their expansion classes (one of whom also happens to be named the Warden) in the cash shop, and it seems to work fine.
I realize there was a whole debate about what is, and what is not, DLC, but I don't think ZOS can capture customers like me unless they do something like this.
so you want to be able to buy the warden seperately for Cyrodil? Truthfully ZOS has been catering to people who dont play the full game for far to long. Honestly its a large reason the guilds in this game are in shambles. there is no permanent community. its a giant ses pool of churn and cosmetic players. Its a large reason elitism is so bad in this game. so no dont play the warden and continue to run around cyrodil ganking people , your hardly a customer.0 -
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✭I personally have zero interest in PvE or instanced PvP. So the new xpac doesn't provide much value for me. The Warden class, however, looks good.
At some point, maybe 6 months after the xpac's release it would be nice if just the Warden class was made available for purchase in the crown store. There is a precedent, The Lord of the Rings Online sells their expansion classes (one of whom also happens to be named the Warden) in the cash shop, and it seems to work fine.
I realize there was a whole debate about what is, and what is not, DLC, but I don't think ZOS can capture customers like me unless they do something like this.
See, OP, that means they are packaging this together properly and are able to hit many walks of life with this update. While you, the player, doesn't want to spend the money, they are a company making sure they can get as much out of this as possible. The more play styles and interests they can hit, the better they are actually doing.Edited by ThePonzzz on February 13, 2017 3:02PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EldritchPenguin wrote: »
There are several main differences here.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
Like Imperials are Pay to Win?
Like all IC/Orsinium/TG/DB/Hist DLC BoP sets are Pay to Win?
First, a difference in race is far less important than a difference in class. A different race can give you better stats overall (Altmer's Gift of Magnus), or it can give you one or two tricks up your sleeve (Argonian's Resourceful), but a class can completely shake up your playstyle. Sure, different racials are important, but the difference between classes is far greater than the difference between races. It's also worth mentioning that Imperials are really only the go-to choice for tanks, and racials are the least important for tanks out of all three roles.
Second, not owning Orsinium does not prevent you from using Law of Julianos. You can't access the crafting stations, but crafted sets are BoE, so someone can make it for you, and then you can use it all the same.
The thing is people complain anything which they want and is behind a pay wall Pay 2 Win.
On launch the Imperial Edition was Pay 2 Win on launch because it offered something which people wanted but couldn't get hold of with the base game.
DLC has for the most part fallen under that definition as well, but people don't kick up a fuss. Sure crafted sets can be made and sold to non-DLC players but what about those very strong sets from dungeons or Maelstrom weapons? Those are advantages in game, which you have to pay to get.
I am fine if people say "I feel the Warden should be a base game addition to make sure everyone has access to it without locking it behind a pay wall" I am not fine with people throwing the "pay to win" argument around to try and bolster their argument when their logic doesn't make any sense.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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makeumrage✭✭✭If they ever put it in the crown store later I bet it'll cost more then the simple upgrade does now.1 -
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✭✭✭Never understood why people get all defensive when someone asks for certain parts of dlc to be released as separate pieces at a later date. What difference would it make? In this case, those of you pre ordering or that will buy the entire dlc come release will be in the same position as you are if they were to release it separately. ZoS haven't said either way whether this will be released on it's own after a certain duration, so no point getting your Daisy Dukes in a twist if they did do it.
I'm buying morrowind because I want the entire experience, not just the Warden. People stating he just wants *** handed to him in such a manner as to insinuate he's acting all entitled etc, are every bit as bad with all their immature exclusivity bull. Sound like spoiled little brats yourselves. "I bought the entire expansion, so no one else can have it unless they buy the entire thing too" Boo-Hoo.2 -
Valestris✭✭I get that they shouldn't pick apart an xpac like that but some of the people here seemingly cannot read at all, he isn't saying give it to me for free he's saying put it up on the crown store so he can pay for just the class as Morrowind has no other pull to him. Am I the only one who can see this or something? o.O3
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kongkim✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What they should do is make the class a part of the base game patch as this strictly effects combat otherwise it is going to be PAY TO WIN.
So you WIN if you have the Warden Class? 0
