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OrphanHelgen
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I know some exploiters who have got atleast 5 reports with high details written. I still see them in game every day. Why?
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  • covenant_merchant
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    They might be actually playing with TBS for all you know :3
  • Dragonnord
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    Same with bots. I've seen the same exact bots for days on the same exact spot, again; same exact bots on the same exact spots, reported several times with video and screenshot proof, so ZOS know EXACTLY where they are, but their accounts haven't been banned. Why?
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    They might be actually playing with TBS for all you know :3

    It's different way to tell if they do or not via addons. Also, they admitted on ts and made fun of me for not exploiting and taking this game to seriously since zos doesn't give a *** anyway. Actually, that part I agree on.
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  • CapnPhoton
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    Bans take time and after sufficient investigation. Unless you did it yourself, are you sure the reports were submitted?
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    CarbonX wrote: »
    Same with bots. I've seen the same exact bots for days on the same exact spot, again; same exact bots on the same exact spots, reported several times with video and screenshot proof, so ZOS know EXACTLY where they are, but their accounts haven't been banned. Why?

    I have given up reporting bots. I would report bots and they would continue to bot and sell for another week on a guild trader in a guild I used to be in, getting millions in gold sales.
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    The last botter I reported took something like 6 months, including a thread about him where he could be found and multiple people reporting him with video evidence.

    Even now I am not convinced his ban was permanent as he is still on my ignore list. Perm banned players are supposed to be removed from ignore lists. So my guess is it got a 3 day ban but they thought it was permanent and never came back.
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  • arena25
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    My hypothesis as to why bots haven't been banned goes like this (and again, this is a hypothesis, not a theory, so I have some flexibility in my argument):

    Patch 2.7 (I think that's the new patch version, correct me if I'm wrong) is coming out in about a week. So, I hypothesize that because bots are probably trying to make a lot of gold so they can buy their dream house when it comes out on February 6th, ZOS will send their strongest message ever by, during patch maintenance, banning all accounts they found are botting. What they are doing right now is gathering up all the reports, and then on patch day do one swing with their gold quality Ban Hammer and throw the bots out of Tamriel.

    Again, this is only a hypothesis, and by no means can I see into ZeniMax's mind. But let me just say this...if I were banned after botting for 2 weeks to try and get my dream home, I would say "Not worth it" and not come back, thus accomplishing ZeniMax's goal.
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    arena25 wrote: »
    My hypothesis as to why bots haven't been banned goes like this (and again, this is a hypothesis, not a theory, so I have some flexibility in my argument):

    Patch 2.7 (I think that's the new patch version, correct me if I'm wrong) is coming out in about a week. So, I hypothesize that because bots are probably trying to make a lot of gold so they can buy their dream house when it comes out on February 6th, ZOS will send their strongest message ever by, during patch maintenance, banning all accounts they found are botting. What they are doing right now is gathering up all the reports, and then on patch day do one swing with their gold quality Ban Hammer and throw the bots out of Tamriel.

    Again, this is only a hypothesis, and by no means can I see into ZeniMax's mind. But let me just say this...if I were banned after botting for 2 weeks to try and get my dream home, I would say "Not worth it" and not come back, thus accomplishing ZeniMax's goal.

    If ZOS did that, and publicly announced it, I would re-sub.

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    CapnPhoton wrote: »
    Bans take time and after sufficient investigation. Unless you did it yourself, are you sure the reports were submitted?

    if WoT has the capability to ban someone right on the spot while you know you are doing something wrong, i'm sure any game can.
    Edited by Cpt_Teemo on January 28, 2017 5:28PM
  • OrphanHelgen
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    CapnPhoton wrote: »
    Bans take time and after sufficient investigation. Unless you did it yourself, are you sure the reports were submitted?
    arena25 wrote: »
    My hypothesis as to why bots haven't been banned goes like this (and again, this is a hypothesis, not a theory, so I have some flexibility in my argument):

    Patch 2.7 (I think that's the new patch version, correct me if I'm wrong) is coming out in about a week. So, I hypothesize that because bots are probably trying to make a lot of gold so they can buy their dream house when it comes out on February 6th, ZOS will send their strongest message ever by, during patch maintenance, banning all accounts they found are botting. What they are doing right now is gathering up all the reports, and then on patch day do one swing with their gold quality Ban Hammer and throw the bots out of Tamriel.

    Again, this is only a hypothesis, and by no means can I see into ZeniMax's mind. But let me just say this...if I were banned after botting for 2 weeks to try and get my dream home, I would say "Not worth it" and not come back, thus accomplishing ZeniMax's goal.

    That would be awesome ! :D
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  • Elsonso
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    Runs wrote: »
    The last botter I reported took something like 6 months, including a thread about him where he could be found and multiple people reporting him with video evidence.

    Even now I am not convinced his ban was permanent as he is still on my ignore list. Perm banned players are supposed to be removed from ignore lists. So my guess is it got a 3 day ban but they thought it was permanent and never came back.

    I would not trust them to be removed from your list.
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  • alexkdd99
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    CapnPhoton wrote: »
    Bans take time and after sufficient investigation. Unless you did it yourself, are you sure the reports were submitted?

    if WoT has the capability to ban someone right on the spot while you know you are doing something wrong, i'm sure any game can.

    IMO zenimax works to not ban those who are innocent. With automated bans you get people who are banned who didn't break the rules.

    And as to why it takes them a long time to get around to it personally? I believe it is because of the number of frivolous tickets sent in.

    I would wager that quite a few false claims are sent in for various reasons. Some people report others for killing them in pvp, making up bogus claims. Others may make things up simply because someone said something they don't like.

    I have seen people in game telling others to mass report someone even though that person didn't break the rules. I have also seen people here on the forums pretty much brag how they just report people for being annoying, again all this does is clog up the system allowing those who are cheating to get away with it longer.

    So imo the people who send in excess reports over things that are NOT against the rules are the people to blame over botters taking excess amounts of time to be banned.
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    They might be actually playing with TBS for all you know :3

    It's different way to tell if they do or not via addons. Also, they admitted on ts and made fun of me for not exploiting and taking this game to seriously since zos doesn't give a *** anyway. Actually, that part I agree on.

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  • DigitalShibby
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    Because when ZOS bans bots, those gold selling companies don't make money.. when the gold selling company doesn't make money they get upset and ddos attack ZOS. When ZOS gets frequent ddos attacks they lose out on income as well, from servers being down, crown store not being accessible and people getting fed up and leaving. Eventually ZOS realizes banning gold farming bots has consequences that hurt their own bottom line and stops banning bots.
  • Sneaky-Snurr
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    Forget about this everyone, you're wasting your typing energy which could've been put to better use like playing the game and racking in EXP, APs and yadayada.
    Incompetent ZOS don't give a fark about this issue.
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    They might be actually playing with TBS for all you know :3

    It's different way to tell if they do or not via addons. Also, they admitted on ts and made fun of me for not exploiting and taking this game to seriously since zos doesn't give a *** anyway. Actually, that part I agree on.

    Being they mentioned it in TS, if they are a member of the guild you are in the guild leader should kick them from the guild. Guilds that permit these players to remain are condoning cheating and the guild loses credibility.

    Obviously this is separate from Zos's responsibility.
  • LegendaryMage
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    I know some exploiters who have got atleast 5 reports with high details written. I still see them in game every day. Why?

    That's nothing, we got perma banned players that are back on new accounts, almost over 400cps (meaning they've been playing for awhile), exploiting and causing mayhem as we speak (just saw one the other day with two scamps, 2 munduses, a twilight and bugged poisons that double proc). I would be happy if the perma banned trouble makers would actually stay perma banned.
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    I do know they do ban people for botting , not to tell on myself but I was leveling up a alt at a dolman to level 10 and noticed someone transported all the heavy attackers to a hill (starter one in aurodon ) I moved back and heavy attacked some more while surfing the net and was banned for botting. According to the message by a game master.
    It did kinda shock me since after the original transport I figured was another weird glitch. It was at about 12 noon est Monday. I figured it's just a 8-5 thing mon-fri picking on low levels .

    I think the real issue issue is in the evenings there's no staff to respond. That or just banning low levels that are sick of questing is way to ez.
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    Simple: Their likely paying customers.
  • Tandor
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    I know some exploiters who have got atleast 5 reports with high details written. I still see them in game every day. Why?

    Have you seen them every single day since reporting them, or might they have served a short suspension?

    (I don't call anything less than a permanent account closure a "ban")

    Alternatively, apart from the obvious observation that the reports may not have been acted upon, the reports may simply have turned out to be false. One person's idea of an exploit or bot isn't necessarily cause for conviction on full investigation by those with all the facts and the data logs to back them up.
    Edited by Tandor on January 28, 2017 8:48PM
  • f047ys3v3n
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    arena25 wrote: »
    when it comes out on February 6th, ZOS will send their strongest message ever by, during patch maintenance, banning all accounts they found are botting. What they are doing right now is gathering up all the reports, and then on patch day do one swing with their gold quality Ban Hammer and throw the bots out of Tamriel.

    Right, farm bots are the biggest problem ZOS has. It is not folks running cheat engine or however the hell you now have folks using class abilities from classes other than what they are running in PVP.

    I say leave the bots alone to wander the country side. If it wasn't for them we on PC would have 20k tempering alloys like the folks on console have. God bless them for mitigating the complete lack of management of the in game economy on ZOS part. I once reported a guy I was pissed at for botting when I caught him doing so and he did, in fact, get banned and come back in a few days. I'm actually glad he is back as I am no longer pissed at him and he is a rather valuable member of the community.

    Now all we need is bots that target folks running cheat engine, mixed class builds, and I hear multi-mundus is back. Maybe folks running bots can fix that problem just like the economic ones.

    Bots, as long as they are not lined up in endless ques with names like [snip] I really could not care less. They were a problem at launch but I actually think they are a net benefit to most players through material cost savings now. My enjoyment in game is far more damaged by folks cheating and killing me than by folks running bots around the countryside at night when I am asleep anyway. I might add that it is much easier to catch the cheaters than the bot runners as well. You can catch cheaters with a simple cheat sniffer that occasionally back checks client side numbers for plausibility. Bots generally require individual human intervention to detect as they act indistinguishably from a player farming. The fact that after the great cheat purge most players were let back in and only the most rudimentary anti-cheat features were installed is the real burr under my saddle and I am not about to shut up until it gets fixed for real.

    [edited to remove random player name]
    Edited by ZOS_DaryaK on January 28, 2017 9:02PM
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    Fought a guy for a solid 10 minutes last night with the double mundus and permanent hist bark bug. Ridiculous that people get away with this crap.

    At a minimum they should hand out temporary ban like candy when they get obvious proof someone is exploiting.
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on January 28, 2017 8:57PM
  • MythicEmperor
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    I'd rather it be hard to get someone banned than having an angry player report someone for no reason, getting them banned instantly.
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  • Tandor
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    f047ys3v3n wrote: »

    Bots, as long as they are not lined up in endless ques with names like [snip] I really could not care less.

    I didn't see your example before it was edited, but did you mean a string of random numbers and letters like most bots and gold sellers etc use?

    Oh, wait...

    :wink:
    Edited by Tandor on January 28, 2017 9:08PM
  • sickboy2808
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    Read my Sig. Thats why
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  • Victimize
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    I still want to know why i got a ban for naming my character "Redguard Lives Matter"
  • aLi3nZ
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    From what I have seen Zeno max prefer fixing the game so these bugs cannot be exploited. Like double mundus which I beloved is fixed so should not be possible as well as the double ultimate bug and banker exploit for using the same survey. They are either very slow or do nothing about the actual players a lot of the time and just focus on fixing their game.
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    Victimize wrote: »
    I still want to know why i got a ban for naming my character "Redguard Lives Matter"

    Because ZOS takes words and concepts they find offensive much more seriously than people who actually cheat and ruin the game experience for everyone.

    You can run cheat engine, run bugged sets, and exploit to your heart's content but don't you ever say a naughty word in an 18+ game or hurt the fee fees of a RP party or you will get perma-banned.

    This behavior is disgusting. Might as well change your toon name to "Gamer Lives Don't Matter"
  • AzraelKrieg
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    Victimize wrote: »
    I still want to know why i got a ban for naming my character "Redguard Lives Matter"

    Anything remotely political will end up with a name change because it could set people off depending their personal feelings regarding the subject.
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  • Shogunami
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    As far as I know anything that has to do with game masters/customer service will take anywhere between forever to infinity.

    Game-breaking and causing massive problems in-game? "We might eventually consider doing something about reading your ticket".
    Meanwhile something petty and meaningless like some offensive name or something political - you'll get a response before you even finish contacting them ;)


    It's like ESO forums are about as politically correct as the Swedish media :D
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