The new crafting materials should be obtainable from refining, not harvesting

Marto · February 2017

I feel ZoS not only created a grindy system that is just frustrating players, but they also missed an opportunity to make it more interesting, and make it grow with your character.

By restricting the drop of Regulus, Heartwood, and all new items to the harvesting process, you are forcing people out into the world. Which is good, and desirable, but it gives the players that want furniture almost no choice.

If the new crafting materials were obtained by refining raw materials, you'd get a bunch of pros.

1. Every raw material in guild stores will become a source of materials. You don't have to wait weeks or month for people to post them at good prices, they're already there.
2. You lock the price of the new materials to depend on the price of raw material, rather than on just their rarity. Right now, it feels too random to pinpoint a fair price.
3. Gives players the choice of farming or buying.

And more importantly

4. Your chance of getting the new materials would increase as you spend skill points on crafting passives.

(I know some will ask what to do for Provisioning/Alchemy/Enchanting. Honestly, I'm not sure. So the solution I'd propose is to leave those three as they are. You will likely craft more wooden furniture than an enchanting praxis, anyway)

Housing is a progression system, I get that. You're supposed to start with an inn room, a bedroll and a candle, and slowly upgrade to better things. But I think this change would make the system become easier over time, rather than always having the same grind, regardless of level.

Thoughts?

Turelus · February 2017

I think the system works fine. Give it a month or two and there will be plenty of materials for sale on the market farmed.

It also get people out doing things again, moving around the world in different zones rather than doing writs/surveys only.

Sovaso · February 2017

I think it's all good right now

WolfgangArmadeus · February 2017

ZeniMax 101... If it is easy to get in game then people will not throw money at the cash shop.

They obviously dont have any plans for this game besides $40 pay walls every year and heavy grind to entice cash shop transactions.

Literally everytime they add something new to this game it is .003% rng or cash shop.

Really, A chair requires a more advanced piece of lumber than a magical staff? Da ***?

Sense makes no English ZOS.

Just because subscribers have tons of crafting mats stacked in their craft bags it doesnt mean you have to make new crafting materials.

Wait... ZeniMax 101... I almost forgot... $$$> Quality Enjoyable Content

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

I think you used the correct category but the explanation doesn't align

I agree that refining should be the source of furniture items, however I don't believe it should come via random results of refining.

I believe you should have to pick either or
Refine mats for furniture
OR
Refine mats for gear

idk · February 2017

@Marto

So instead of the new matts selling for high prices we should have a system that drives up the trader price of unrefined matts?

Heck, the cost of unrefined matts will jump and the cost of the new crafting Matts will stay high with the idea of merely moving the Source from harvesting to refining.

Fair price will still be determined the old fashion way, supply and demand.

We still have a choice of farming or buying now.

Basically, it's great to think if dps defend things but your idea would not actually change much other than move around some demand. Smoke and mirrors.

Kodrac · February 2017

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

ZeniMax 101... If it is easy to get in game then people will not throw money at the cash shop.

They obviously dont have any plans for this game besides $40 pay walls every year and heavy grind to entice cash shop transactions.

Literally everytime they add something new to this game it is .003% rng or cash shop.

Really, A chair requires a more advanced piece of lumber than a magical staff? Da ***?

Sense makes no English ZOS.

Just because subscribers have tons of crafting mats stacked in their craft bags it doesnt mean you have to make new crafting materials.

Wait... ZeniMax 101... I almost forgot... $$$> Quality Enjoyable Content

WolfgangArmadeus · February 2017

Super salty. Sea Salt you could say even.

The forums are more fun than this game is.

Stopnaggin · February 2017

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

ZeniMax 101... If it is easy to get in game then people will not throw money at the cash shop.

They obviously dont have any plans for this game besides $40 pay walls every year and heavy grind to entice cash shop transactions.

Literally everytime they add something new to this game it is .003% rng or cash shop.

Really, A chair requires a more advanced piece of lumber than a magical staff? Da ***?

Sense makes no English ZOS.

Just because subscribers have tons of crafting mats stacked in their craft bags it doesnt mean you have to make new crafting materials.

Wait... ZeniMax 101... I almost forgot... $$$> Quality Enjoyable Content

Sky is still up at my house.

OP

I don't think making them drop from refining is the way to go. Adding another item to the table would decrease the chance of tempers, rosins and wax dropping. You would then see raw mat prices go through the roof. Unrefined mats on console are already priced with the gold upgrades and material cost per stack, if we added a possible 3rd in demand item it would increase the price that much more.

WolfgangArmadeus · February 2017

Well, the sky isnt falling, but Im glad you enjoy grindy boringness.

I think an update should be fun to play, not just another cash grab.

But whatevs. Fanboys will be Fanboys

Recremen · February 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

ZeniMax 101... If it is easy to get in game then people will not throw money at the cash shop.

They obviously dont have any plans for this game besides $40 pay walls every year and heavy grind to entice cash shop transactions.

Literally everytime they add something new to this game it is .003% rng or cash shop.

Really, A chair requires a more advanced piece of lumber than a magical staff? Da ***?

Sense makes no English ZOS.

Just because subscribers have tons of crafting mats stacked in their craft bags it doesnt mean you have to make new crafting materials.

Wait... ZeniMax 101... I almost forgot... $$$> Quality Enjoyable Content

Sky is still up at my house.

OP

I don't think making them drop from refining is the way to go. Adding another item to the table would decrease the chance of tempers, rosins and wax dropping. You would then see raw mat prices go through the roof. Unrefined mats on console are already priced with the gold upgrades and material cost per stack, if we added a possible 3rd in demand item it would increase the price that much more.

@Stopnaggin

I'm fairly certain that's not how the refining loot table works. Each type of item from refining seems to have its own chance of dropping, which is why you can get multiple types of drops at the same time from the same refinement. It is no doubt trivial to just have refining roll on an additional table for how many Heartwood or Regulus or whatever you get from refinement.

In any case, I feel like this would be a step in the right direction, but insufficient. We'd still have issue with Mundane Runes, Decorative Wax, and Alchemical Resin, plus we need more exact numbers and rates on how much you'd get from refinement to make this worthwhile. Still a step in the right direction, though!

Tandor · February 2017

I think the present system is fine.

The only reasons people are complaining about it are (1) they wanted to be able to furnish a manor house completely the afternoon of the update, and (2) they are sitting on stacks with thousands of crafting mats and don't like the idea of having to harvest the new housing mats from scratch. Given a few months the players will have plenty of mats and plenty of furnishings in their houses. The problem is simply that we have a whole class of player these days that thinks in minutes not months and regards any need to spend time on a skill or accomplishment as a "grind". I call it "playing the game".

WolfgangArmadeus · February 2017

In think the biggest step in the right direction would be to make the focus of housing on being able to use normal crafting materials to make stuff. Up the count of items you can have in your house, and remove the boring grind completely.

People want to build stuff and decorate their million dollar homes. People do not want to go out and pick flowers for the 3 zillionth time.

How can actual gamers be so far out of touch that they actually agree with dev cash shop logic? I have like 40,000 piecesof lumber in my craft bag and I cant make a bed frame? ???????

@Tandor

I already went out and "grinded" for months for mats. Grind more again just to add incentive to the cash shop?

Loves_guars · February 2017

They should also be obtainable from surveys, but of course crafters are Public Enemy #1 for Zenimax, that's the conclusion one can reach with Homestead.

AFrostWolf · February 2017

Yeah I don't think new crafting mats were needed. The older ones that serve no purpose anymore since crafting gear sucks would have done just fine.

theher0not · February 2017

I think it works fine right now.

If you don't want to go around grinding then you can buy mats from the guild store. I like it because it is an easy way to make money without relying on luck to get legendary crafting items.

Gargath · February 2017

When I checked crown store prices for all the furnitures I already knew why getting furniture mats from harvesting takes so long and making new stuff from crafting is so frustrating.
Most of the prices are ridiculous. Few hundreds crowns for a single chair or bed, when just 2-3x more for some most exotic mounts. Someone didn't think too much setting these prices.

KerinKor · February 2017

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

ZeniMax 101... If it is easy to get in game then people will not throw money at the cash shop.

So where in the STORE are any worthwhile furnishings, I must have missed them.

Oh that's right, there aren't any .. I'd be happy to buy crafting stations from the Store so I can avoid towns full of idiots spamming AoEs, duelling where other people are trying to do stuff, etc.

Marto · February 2017

KerinKor wrote: »

WolfgangArmadeus wrote: »

ZeniMax 101... If it is easy to get in game then people will not throw money at the cash shop.

So where in the STORE are any worthwhile furnishings, I must have missed them.

Oh that's right, there aren't any .. I'd be happy to buy crafting stations from the Store so I can avoid towns full of idiots spamming AoEs, duelling where other people are trying to do stuff, etc.

You can buy crafting stations and most common furnishings in the "Store" tab when you are in the housing editor.
(Press F5 when you're in your own home, press R, check the top tabs)

MasterSpatula · February 2017

Do you want the price of raw materials to skyrocket? I mean, if that's what you want, fine, I suppose.

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

have to laugh at these threads....

new stuff i don't have immediately..... catastrophe ......

just playing my normal game i have plenty of the new stuff to make the things i have, so far, gathered plans for and want to make.

grind?

no.

grind is when you kill the same mob over and over and over for xp.

Marto · February 2017

I think everyone is misunderstanding my point.

My entire point is that currently, a level 3 character has the same difficulty collecting materials as a CP600. I believe that this aspect should be changed.

Recremen · February 2017

It's ridiculous that some forum users can't tell the difference between a reasonable grind and an unreasonable grind and need to resort to namecalling and derision. Like can y'all really not understand that people don't want things the day the patch drops, they just want to have a realistic ability to furnish a house sometime this year? It's like your ability to think critically goes out the window as soon as you realize you can make fun of someone.

Runs · February 2017

Honestly though I don't even know why they were added. There are items in each profession that could have been used instead especially now that there is a metric *** ton of low level mats that are being given out when you complete writs. Imagine how much easier it would have been to use those.

Evergnar · February 2017

It's bad and they really need to add drops from something else. Anything!

There is no need to have this sort of grind in housing for basic items. There are still plenty of items and opportunities to sell in the crown store (endless actually).

Maybe if they just revamp the needed materials for certain items (reduce the low level requirements for whites/greens or something) and get a better tier system going.