SirAndy wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

So what I'm getting from this thread is that some players are scared streamers will get rid of some of the casual friendly mechanics and actually make the game more skill base thus making it to where casual players won't be able to complete content or compete in PvP anymore.

You are confusing casual with un-skilled. Those two are not synonymous ...

They are in my case! Or is that the other way round?

Kodrac wrote: »

This all sounds very hipster. "I don't like those guys because they're popular."

It's not about that at all. I actually like a few of them. That doesn't mean I think their relationship with Zos is always healthy.

Calboy wrote: »

Wow there are some hurt egos in here. It's so good to read.

Also, who the hell do you guys expect should be selected? A bunch of losers on the forums who act like toddlers? Or guys who make content about the game for all to see.

Except that's not how it works.

Some of these streamers/youtubers have websites set up where they charge HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS to players to teach them special "tricks" and "strategies" to excel at the game.

And these same people get extra feedback opportunities and early access to information.
So, it's a problem in both directions.

First, they potentially get access to information which they can and do charge large sums to players to share.

Second, they have a vested financial interest in giving feedback that keeps the game imbalanced so they can charge large sums to help players cross the ever growing power-gap between average and best.

I mean, let me just rephrase the question.

Should people that are charging hundreds of dollars to players to teach them how to be elite get special feedback privileges for game direction and special early access to game mechanics?

Life and death and violations of federal laws and regulations compared to something with a video game? I see how they are so comparable. Really almost the same.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

willlienellson wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

These are 2 pictures of the meeting with ZOS. If "everyone" is a streamer than people should be able to name everyone in this picture. Correct?

I don't follow the youtubers and streamers enough to know, and I don't know if they all show their faces. I don't know.
Sounds reasonable. I'm waiting for someone to say,

"Yeah, I was there. I've never made youtube videos"

Or, "______ was there. He posts on the forums but no videos" Etc.

These are promising developments. But I don't follow FENGRUSH's twitter and I don't know what the streamers look like. Shocking I know. So, I'm waiting for confirmation to reevaluate my opinions.

hahahahha

sooooo you make all these claims in your op about how they dont represent the majority, zos caters to these players etc etc etc, yet you dont watch any of them or know their stance on anything.

good grief mate, do you hear yourself???

At least WATCH a few of the videos and read some of their work. I may not be of their level or agree with everything, but I do learn a lot and admire.

Oompuh wrote: »

These are 2 pictures of the meeting with ZOS. If "everyone" is a streamer than people should be able to name everyone in this picture. Correct?

Er, no ... That's the whole point of this thread.

Neither of these people even remotely looks like someone who would be able to "represent" me.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ESO live just happened and they confirmed that a lot of time was spent on balance, gameplay, design, Q&A. The developers were very open to questions and suggestions, according to the two streamers on ESO live.

So we can cross off the "Just marketing" theory. I mean, unless ZOS took all that time to talk to them and is just going to throw it all away after, we can safely say the opinions expressed by those invited will effect future game decisions.

So I guess this is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on how represented you feel by those that attended.

Since I do agree with SOME of what the streamers say, this is a good thing for me. We don't have a perfect system where every group is represented but at least personally, I feel that some issues I cared about were brought up to ZOS. We will see as more details come out.

Again, this just begs the question I already posed,

Should people that are charging hundreds of dollars to players to teach them how to be elite get special feedback privileges for game direction and special early access to game mechanics?

If you had a business that charged individuals to help them bridge a power gap, would you try to increase or minimize that power gap?

When I originally opined this thread I was talking about what I thought were negative but organic relationships and circumstances that were kind of elusively running behind the scenes.

It's come to my attention that the circumstances I was wary of are officially monetized. It's not a theory.

@ThePaleItalian
There is a website. I'm not making it up. $400 for "Master Training"

So, does that matter? It is okay, proper, or a positive thing for the community to have people charging $400 to individuals to help them become Masters of the game when they have extra influence on game direction and early access to mechanics???

It won't take much for me to get banned and thread closed. I can't say more. But feel free to PM me.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

@willlienellson

I understand various points in this threads. I guess I am more on the optimistic side. I hope their feedback was given and taken seriously. If we got storage in our homes the forums would rejoice. Balance is a whole other story and I doubt that will ever happen. But other threads for that topic.

Well, I just hope you don't end up having to pay some dude $400 to learn how to best exploit the changes he influenced with feedback.

I think it is a good thing that players who have good insight into the game mechanics have special feedback priveledges which is exactly what happened this week.

To be clear, Someone needs to understand mechanics of the current game at a high level to be able to provide worthy feedback in early development of new content and mechanics. So inviting the top theorycrafters, as Zos did, is most certainly, without a doubt, in the best interest of the game.

To accuse people of manipulating Zos into changing mechanics to benefit and enrich themselves without an evidence of the matter is empty and worthless banter. Assumptions, which is all that is really being made in the matter have no basis in fact. No one has disputed the actual statements I have made yet plenty have disputed the assumptions that have been made, especially recently.

Melodramatic antics do nothing but take away from someones message they are attempting to try to express. As such I will avoid.

Why everone so jealous? You all want to go brown nose the devs all day? Jealous jealous jealous. Good job to the streamers contributing positively. I dont see anyone else posting usefull builds and guides.

willlienellson wrote: »

#Giles.floydub17_ESO
Even though you post every few hours I've had you ignored for days, so I have no idea what you're saying.

On the other hand, I never could understand most of what you were trying to say even when I could read your post...so not much has changed.

Like I began ignoring your posts that seem to occur almost every 10 minutes.

Honestly, I really do not expect you to understand. It is clear that no amount of logic or rational thought will alter your thoughts of your baseless diatribe.

Edit, replying to your comment just above this one, I do think it is good Zos invited a select number of theorycrafters for the testing and feedback session this past week. Zos does not ignore normal players, however, normal players do not spend the time to understand the mechanics that exist in the game already let alone be able to provide high level feedback that was required.

The one thing I have not seen you provide is a list of people you feel that Zos should have invited for this high level feedback of mechanics. I challenge you to list names and what knowledge of game mechanics they have demonstrated that make them an appropriate candidate. Oh, merely playing the game is not sufficient.

If you cannot do this then you merely demonstrate your entire rant in here is mute and meaningless banter.