Logic of "A Friend In Need" Housing Quest

UrQuan · February 2017

I've done the housing quest for the free apartment 3 times now (1 for each alliance - eventually I'll do it on every character I have just because), and I feel that some of the logic behind it is a little bit... odd.

For those who haven't yet done it, this whole post is going to be a spoiler, but it's a simple quest so you may not care.

First, you find a notice about a home listing and go to inquire about it. So far so good. The guy you meet (Canthion) tells you he's had a problem with a tenant (Bulag) who was involved in illegal activities and made off with the deed, and he wants you to find this individual and recover the deed, because it's made him look bad. Fine.

Well you go through finding out where Bulag went, tracking her down, and getting the deed back. OK, no problems. Now Canthion is just going to give you the deed to the apartment as long as you can prove to him that you're willing to be a respectable homeowner and make the place livable. Well this part is a bit shaky, because what's really in it for him? Fine though, you could say his reputation in the community is really important to him and he's willing to just give you this apartment for free as long as he thinks you'll reflect well on him and his reputation will be restored.

Here's where the logic becomes a bit stranger. In order to prove that you won't just be using the place to run skooma or something, you need to show up with a piece of furniture? Any piece of furniture? I mean, I'm pretty sure that putting a bed or a crate or something in an apartment wouldn't stop me from running skooma out of it if I wanted to do that... But fine, I guess it shows at least a little in the way of good intentions. Except...

I happened to get a piece of furniture from the Dark Brotherhood shadowy supplier before I did this quest. A vial of poisoned blood. That's what I used to complete the "showing up with a piece of furniture to show that I'm not planning to do illegal stuff" part of the quest. Why did showing up with a vial of poisoned blood convince Canthion that I don't have any nefarious plans in mind?

Man, that guy's an absolute sucker...

Rohamad_Ali · February 2017

At least you didn't show up with a wheelbarrow full of corpses . That's like saying , Hi my names Dexter .

UrQuan · February 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

At least you didn't show up with a wheelbarrow full of corpses . That's like saying , Hi my names Dexter .

lol yeah, that would have been pretty bad too. I'm pretty sure this guy would have just taken it in stride though.

Me carrying a vial of poisoned blood: Does this convince you that I'm a respectable member of the community who is certainly not involved in any illegal activities?
Canthion: Oh, you must be a doctor trying to find an antidote to that poison. Fantastic, move in as soon as you can!

Me pushing a wheelbarrow full of corpses: Does this convince you that I'm a respectable member of the community who is certainly not involved in any illegal activities?
Canthion: Oh, you must be a coroner who takes his work home with him. Fantastic, move in as soon as you can!

No wonder the guy ended up with a criminal living there first!

BlackSparrow · February 2017

"Oh, what, this? It's... uh... medicine. Yes. I'm a doctor, and these vials are all full of medicine."

I found a human skull in a priest's pocket the other day. I should have one of my characters approach him with that, just because you know he wouldn't see an issue with it.

But yeah, the tutorial quest is a tutorial quest. Best not to overthink those.

Rohamad_Ali · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

At least you didn't show up with a wheelbarrow full of corpses . That's like saying , Hi my names Dexter .

lol yeah, that would have been pretty bad too. I'm pretty sure this guy would have just taken it in stride though.

Me carrying a vial of poisoned blood: Does this convince you that I'm a respectable member of the community who is certainly not involved in any illegal activities?
Canthion: Oh, you must be a doctor trying to find an antidote to that poison. Fantastic, move in as soon as you can!

Me pushing a wheelbarrow full of corpses: Does this convince you that I'm a respectable member of the community who is certainly not involved in any illegal activities?
Canthion: Oh, you must be a coroner who takes his work home with him. Fantastic, move in as soon as you can!

No wonder the guy ended up with a criminal living there first!

I just imagine he's a elven Mr Furley from threes company and a little slow at noticing things .

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

in a game where you wonder around soulless killing all sorts of weird and wonderful creatures with magic you are concerned about the logic of one of the quests?

Gorgoneus · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

I've done the housing quest for the free apartment 3 times now (1 for each alliance - eventually I'll do it on every character I have just because), and I feel that some of the logic behind it is a little bit... odd.

For those who haven't yet done it, this whole post is going to be a spoiler, but it's a simple quest so you may not care.

First, you find a notice about a home listing and go to inquire about it. So far so good. The guy you meet (Canthion) tells you he's had a problem with a tenant (Bulag) who was involved in illegal activities and made off with the deed, and he wants you to find this individual and recover the deed, because it's made him look bad. Fine.

Well you go through finding out where Bulag went, tracking her down, and getting the deed back. OK, no problems. Now Canthion is just going to give you the deed to the apartment as long as you can prove to him that you're willing to be a respectable homeowner and make the place livable. Well this part is a bit shaky, because what's really in it for him? Fine though, you could say his reputation in the community is really important to him and he's willing to just give you this apartment for free as long as he thinks you'll reflect well on him and his reputation will be restored.

Here's where the logic becomes a bit stranger. In order to prove that you won't just be using the place to run skooma or something, you need to show up with a piece of furniture? Any piece of furniture? I mean, I'm pretty sure that putting a bed or a crate or something in an apartment wouldn't stop me from running skooma out of it if I wanted to do that... But fine, I guess it shows at least a little in the way of good intentions. Except...

I happened to get a piece of furniture from the Dark Brotherhood shadowy supplier before I did this quest. A vial of poisoned blood. That's what I used to complete the "showing up with a piece of furniture to show that I'm not planning to do illegal stuff" part of the quest. Why did showing up with a vial of poisoned blood convince Canthion that I don't have any nefarious plans in mind?

Man, that guy's an absolute sucker...

Whats option (with Remain Silent) do you use to get dat decoration? Or it doesent matter and you can get deco from daily poisons and equipmets as well?

AzuraKin · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

I've done the housing quest for the free apartment 3 times now (1 for each alliance - eventually I'll do it on every character I have just because), and I feel that some of the logic behind it is a little bit... odd.

For those who haven't yet done it, this whole post is going to be a spoiler, but it's a simple quest so you may not care.

First, you find a notice about a home listing and go to inquire about it. So far so good. The guy you meet (Canthion) tells you he's had a problem with a tenant (Bulag) who was involved in illegal activities and made off with the deed, and he wants you to find this individual and recover the deed, because it's made him look bad. Fine.

Well you go through finding out where Bulag went, tracking her down, and getting the deed back. OK, no problems. Now Canthion is just going to give you the deed to the apartment as long as you can prove to him that you're willing to be a respectable homeowner and make the place livable. Well this part is a bit shaky, because what's really in it for him? Fine though, you could say his reputation in the community is really important to him and he's willing to just give you this apartment for free as long as he thinks you'll reflect well on him and his reputation will be restored.

Here's where the logic becomes a bit stranger. In order to prove that you won't just be using the place to run skooma or something, you need to show up with a piece of furniture? Any piece of furniture? I mean, I'm pretty sure that putting a bed or a crate or something in an apartment wouldn't stop me from running skooma out of it if I wanted to do that... But fine, I guess it shows at least a little in the way of good intentions. Except...

I happened to get a piece of furniture from the Dark Brotherhood shadowy supplier before I did this quest. A vial of poisoned blood. That's what I used to complete the "showing up with a piece of furniture to show that I'm not planning to do illegal stuff" part of the quest. Why did showing up with a vial of poisoned blood convince Canthion that I don't have any nefarious plans in mind?

Man, that guy's an absolute sucker...

you miss the whole point of the quest, its to make you create a skooma den just to antagonize a series of 1s and 0s.

Ilsabet · February 2017

I was about to say that the item I had on hand that satisfied the quest was stolen off of some poor law-abiding citizen and hadn't even been laundered yet, but you might have me beat with the vial of poisoned blood.

I did also like the fact that you can lie about not setting up a skooma den.

Abeille · February 2017

As long as it isn't skooma, Canthion doesn't care. Stolen goods? Fine. Murder weapons? No problem.

But skooma brewing? Canthion is a very nice mer, but he has to draw the line somewhere.

Ilsabet wrote: »

I did also like the fact that you can lie about not setting up a skooma den.

Poor Canthion. He is just too trusting.

UrQuan · February 2017

BlackSparrow wrote: »

I found a human skull in a priest's pocket the other day. I should have one of my characters approach him with that, just because you know he wouldn't see an issue with it.

In some ways I'm a little more concerned that a priest just happened to have a human skull in his pocket...

UrQuan · February 2017

Gorgoneus wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I've done the housing quest for the free apartment 3 times now (1 for each alliance - eventually I'll do it on every character I have just because), and I feel that some of the logic behind it is a little bit... odd.

For those who haven't yet done it, this whole post is going to be a spoiler, but it's a simple quest so you may not care.

First, you find a notice about a home listing and go to inquire about it. So far so good. The guy you meet (Canthion) tells you he's had a problem with a tenant (Bulag) who was involved in illegal activities and made off with the deed, and he wants you to find this individual and recover the deed, because it's made him look bad. Fine.

Well you go through finding out where Bulag went, tracking her down, and getting the deed back. OK, no problems. Now Canthion is just going to give you the deed to the apartment as long as you can prove to him that you're willing to be a respectable homeowner and make the place livable. Well this part is a bit shaky, because what's really in it for him? Fine though, you could say his reputation in the community is really important to him and he's willing to just give you this apartment for free as long as he thinks you'll reflect well on him and his reputation will be restored.

Here's where the logic becomes a bit stranger. In order to prove that you won't just be using the place to run skooma or something, you need to show up with a piece of furniture? Any piece of furniture? I mean, I'm pretty sure that putting a bed or a crate or something in an apartment wouldn't stop me from running skooma out of it if I wanted to do that... But fine, I guess it shows at least a little in the way of good intentions. Except...

I happened to get a piece of furniture from the Dark Brotherhood shadowy supplier before I did this quest. A vial of poisoned blood. That's what I used to complete the "showing up with a piece of furniture to show that I'm not planning to do illegal stuff" part of the quest. Why did showing up with a vial of poisoned blood convince Canthion that I don't have any nefarious plans in mind?

Man, that guy's an absolute sucker...

Whats option (with Remain Silent) do you use to get dat decoration? Or it doesent matter and you can get deco from daily poisons and equipmets as well?

I got it from the poisons and potions option. Actually, I've had 2 of them drop since the update (I've had 12 characters going to Remains-Silent daily in the hopes of getting nirnroot so that I can keep doing alchemy writs).

starkerealm · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

I found a human skull in a priest's pocket the other day. I should have one of my characters approach him with that, just because you know he wouldn't see an issue with it.

In some ways I'm a little more concerned that a priest just happened to have a human skull in his pocket...

...maybe it wasn't in his pocket.

driosketch · February 2017

What happens if you bring him a Khajiit Skooma Bubbler?

http://esoitem.uesp.net/dumpMinedItems.php?type=61&output=html&version=13pts&fields=icon,name,description,style,bindType,value,quality,setBonusDesc4,setBonusDesc5

UrQuan · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

I found a human skull in a priest's pocket the other day. I should have one of my characters approach him with that, just because you know he wouldn't see an issue with it.

In some ways I'm a little more concerned that a priest just happened to have a human skull in his pocket...

...maybe it wasn't in his pocket.

Hmm, like pickpocketing the briarheart right out of a forsworn briarheart?

zaria · February 2017

driosketch wrote: »

What happens if you bring him a Khajiit Skooma Bubbler?

http://esoitem.uesp.net/dumpMinedItems.php?type=61&output=html&version=13pts&fields=icon,name,description,style,bindType,value,quality,setBonusDesc4,setBonusDesc5

That would be perfect.

Danikat · February 2017

Ok I was going to say it does actually make sense (in a sort of flimsy 'blatantly a tutorial' way) right up until the end. But yeah, you got me there.

Maybe he's just that desperate to be rid of the place that he doesn't want to start over again?

And on my end it's no big deal that the place used to be a skooma den, it's a step up from at least 3 previous TES houses that (as far as I know) no one was murdered there...and if they are they aren't still around.

starkerealm · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

I found a human skull in a priest's pocket the other day. I should have one of my characters approach him with that, just because you know he wouldn't see an issue with it.

In some ways I'm a little more concerned that a priest just happened to have a human skull in his pocket...

...maybe it wasn't in his pocket.

Hmm, like pickpocketing the briarheart right out of a forsworn briarheart?

Just so.

Recremen · February 2017

I showed up with a very fine collection of rare woods, which happens to look like a normal pile of wood, but bigger. He was most pleased.

starkerealm · February 2017

I'm left with one question: Are we sure Canthion isn't simply tripping balls on Skooma?

Rouven · February 2017

@UrQuan

You are brave. Some of these wood elves if you tick them off they go all nature on you. He seemed the extreme controlling type, so I kept it safe and simple with a plastic stool.

KerinKor · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

I happened to get a piece of furniture from the Dark Brotherhood shadowy supplier before I did this quest. A vial of poisoned blood. That's what I used to complete the "showing up with a piece of furniture to show that I'm not planning to do illegal stuff" part of the quest. Why did showing up with a vial of poisoned blood convince Canthion that I don't have any nefarious plans in mind?

I bought an OUTSIDE piece of somethingorother which he accpeted, kind of ironic seeing as how the 'free' house is a single room in an inn without any garden.

/facepalm

Betheny · February 2017

Yeah sure. "Whatever you do, don't make a skooma den here". Sounds like reverse psychology to me.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · February 2017

I brought a string of fish. It still amuses me that counts as a furnishing; by the same logic, I should have been able to just hand him a Provisioning ingredient and have it count.

AshTal · February 2017

I wish they would put a bit more thought into these quests. Even if he charged me the incredible sum of 100 gold for the room it would make more sense. Here is my cheap ass stool I just bought, yes its crap but you trust me enough to GIVE me your place.

If they need to allow us to recoop the gold how about on one of the quests where I save the kingdom you give me more than 300 gold, up it to 400 , problem solved.

Does anyone else imagine their is an old fashion DnD player in ZOS banging his head into his desk and shouting the same things - "they just saved the king, he can afford more than 100 gold and a crappy green sword that's less than they got given half way though the quest when they returned to the servant who was dying who happened to hand over 600 gold just as the mid quest reward this is stupid".

Lyserus · February 2017

I got a sacrifice heart lol

Instead of skooma I will be praying nightmother all the time...

Guess that will make him more respectful in the neighborhood erh?