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Homestead is just really sad
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just wish I could mow the stock grass in Autumn's gate. lol
It tends to protrude through placed items.1 -
Purrmaid✭✭After spending hours looking at all the houses I settled on one with a 600 item limit..
600 sounds way to much!
But I do hope, like the bag-space, that we'll be able to purchase more decorating limit as times goes on
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MopeyHat✭✭✭✭Definitely think there needs to be a little more availability for plans and materials. It will get easier as prices go down at the guild vendors.
In just a few days with a bit of help from friends I have a mediocre collection of recipes and items I've crafted; but I feel like I'm making good progress of about 5 new recipes and items crafted everyday (2-3 hours).
There is a ratio of investing time in acquiring items to time you get to spend playing around decorating; I think as it is now it is pretty heavily towards the former.0 -
linoge63✭✭✭After a long day of clearing Tamriel from evil
and the rightful reallocation of resources etc, I can port into my Daggerfall estate, sit and enjoy the sound of birds singing and a waterfall gurgling away, the feeling of a massive beaming sun in my face while the wind flows thru the leaves of these wonderful trees...
All is well0 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its already improved a lot for me from Tuesday to Thrusday. Easier to get materials people have found plenty of plans and are spaming it in zone chat.... I predict by next week even it will start feeling more creative and free.
I peronally think they should of implimented it a bit better. Much easier to get mats and they really needed the plain furnishings to just be available to buy with in game gold. just to get people started so you had something that actually looked like a somewhere you could live.1 -
Seriously that someone found homestead grindy? 4-6 mats here, 3-5 there and some style stones and bam! you can build some furniture, that's not grindy like at all, it's just not instantaneous reward, it's even easier now that the mats/blueprints are getting stocked in the guild traders and they aren't even costly if you don't want to go out and farm them a little. Now compare that to some asian MMOs like Lineage II when a quest required you to farm 300-500 items and then wait a few days to be able to kill a boss when he finally spawned for a small chance to drop the required item to proceed and etc, THAT was a grindy game.0 -
Angus✭✭✭Here's good things about housing in Homestead:
- Other players buying home items from the crown store are essentially paying my sub. Sweet! Some of that money might come back around and make the game a little better.
- Interesting economic opportunities via crafting and guild traders.
- Incentive to thieve (for blueprints) - before it looked kind of fun, but not as fun as PvP, so I never really bothered.
- Furnishings are rare. That increases the sentimental value of each furnishing. My house currently has a wood chopping block, and my pet bear. I'm so damn proud of them both. Every piece I add to the collection will make my heart swell with pride. Every piece you put in your house is a legit status symbol.
- I've got somewhere to put interesting collectibles. While utterly useless, I enjoy coming back from afk'ing in my house and seeing that one thing I got that one time (well, in other games, since I've only got a stump right now) and remembering it all. It's like photographs - reminds you of adventures you've forgotten otherwise.
- Houses are pretty expensive; I can look forward to and anticipate getting manor someday (probably never), but they are meaningful status symbols. If 80% of players have a really nice house, that takes away all the pride in acquiring a nice house.
Here's some subjective negatives (hopefully some of this is added later):- Actually BUILD the house! Make a shelter, live roofless for weeks until I'm richer, add a second floor someday, put a keg in there I can drink from, sleep in my bed for to generate "energy" I use to modify the house, etc...
- Storing cool random collectibles from thieving. I've been carrying around a pair of tavern dice for a couple years; please let me put them on a shelf.
- Mannequins for the ever-growing hoard of armor sets.
- I don't really like PvE, and PvP doesn't give much in the way of housing
Not too shabby, IMHO. I'm satisfied, obviously there's missed potential, but that goes for everything in life.Edited by Angus on February 9, 2017 7:43PMAngus of Noquar franchise.
And some others.1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sigtric, who are you, a Zenimax shill?
You are quite right, I am unwilling to grind. I want to play the game for FUN! Building stuff would be FUN! It is a GAME!
I have supported ZOS by spending €360 over the past 18 months on costumes, bank upgrades, and so on. This however feels like their most blatant money grab yet, or maybe it's the underhandedness of promoting this as a free update, but then absolutely gouging on crown store furniture prices that's so appaling.
I bought Autumn's Gate to start with. It has a 100 item limit. Bought with in game gold, the house was empty, except 57 of the 100 item slots were taken for plants and rocks, which shows how quickly you can run up to the limit by just making subtle changes to the garden. Fine, I can add some furniture and stay under the limit, but if wanted to make structural changes with planks, or maybe completely cover the garden with different grass, I would quickly run into the limit.
This kind of small-minded bean-counting reminds me of the licensing agreements of our partner company in the real world. Awful.
Even in Fallout 4 you had to grind (unless maybe you console cheated) to get the materials needed to build stuff. After you ran out of deconstructing things with the workbench, you had to get out in the world and hunt down materials. And you never had enough stuff. Even single player games have grind elements to them.
It's almost pointless to argue. These people you are arguing against, are the same people who used console cheat codes in Skyrim and Fallout 4 to get any piece of furniture or building material they wanted within 24 hours of each game's housing expansion launch. They have no concept of patience or time investment.Edited by AlMcFly on February 9, 2017 7:37PM2 -
Chadak✭✭✭✭✭The barriers to entry in being able to really play with the system are too stupid and arbitrary to capture my interest.
When I want to grind hard and grind long in order to furnish a pointless decoration, I'll go paint my driveway with a size 1 edging brush.
Until then, Homestead's lost my interest. I don't hate it. I'm not going to boycott the game or flail my digital fists all over the internet about it.
I'll just not be investing much give-a-hoot into it. I'll eventually accumulate lots of its crafting mats and recipes playing the game as I do, I'm sure. Maybe sometime down the road I'll see if I can craft anything I give a hoot about, but if not, no biggie.
So, for me, its basically just kinda...irrelevant and 100% forgettable
I would call that a profoundly dangerous thing for something intended to be engaging to be, but it would scarcely matter.
Some will grind anything if you simply put it there for them to do.
Me? I have limits to what I'll do that are tightly relative to the value I perceive in doing them.
There is very little value in this for me, and the amusement I might acquire from going hog-wild and building/decorating something neat isn't available without a stupendous and prolonged effort.
An effort that is far too costly in terms of my time and interest to make the altogether modest amusement completely unworth pursuing.
Your mileage may vary.
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✭Honestly the RNG and Grind in this game is killing all my love. It's too much. I'm already playing less because of the frustration.WolffenBloodseeker wrote: »Seriously that someone found homestead grindy? 4-6 mats here, 3-5 there and some style stones and bam! you can build some furniture, that's not grindy like at all, it's just not instantaneous reward, .
I don't want instantaneous reward. 4-6 mats? I need 11 to craft a lightning post, except those 11 have such a miserable drop rate that I have to spend at least 1 hour (with luck!) farming like a mindless gold farmer because they don't even drop in the surveys or the refining.
I'm not making things up, I used to love this game 2 weeks ago but now I'm genuinely disappointed.
Edited by Loves_guars on February 9, 2017 7:47PM1 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, sweeping generalisations won't win you any arguments, that is true.It's almost pointless to argue. These people you are arguing against, are the same people who used console cheat codes in Skyrim and Fallout 4 to get any piece of furniture or building material they wanted within 24 hours of each game's housing expansion launch. They have no concept of patience or time investment.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I personally will never buy with real money what can be bought or earned in game.2 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭The barriers to entry in being able to really play with the system are too stupid and arbitrary to capture my interest.
When I want to grind hard and grind long in order to furnish a pointless decoration, I'll go paint my driveway with a size 1 edging brush.
Until then, Homestead's lost my interest. I don't hate it. I'm not going to boycott the game or flail my digital fists all over the internet about it.
I'll just not be investing much give-a-hoot into it. I'll eventually accumulate lots of its crafting mats and recipes playing the game as I do, I'm sure. Maybe sometime down the road I'll see if I can craft anything I give a hoot about, but if not, no biggie.
So, for me, its basically just kinda...irrelevant and 100% forgettable
I would call that a profoundly dangerous thing for something intended to be engaging to be, but it would scarcely matter.
Some will grind anything if you simply put it there for them to do.
Me? I have limits to what I'll do that are tightly relative to the value I perceive in doing them.
There is very little value in this for me, and the amusement I might acquire from going hog-wild and building/decorating something neat isn't available without a stupendous and prolonged effort.
An effort that is far too costly in terms of my time and interest to make the altogether modest amusement completely unworth pursuing.
Your mileage may vary.
See, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this post. It's a completely reasonable, adult response to the system. I too bought a house and began furnishing it, hoping I could deck it out in my first night.
When I learned the furnishing system was a huge time investment, I immediately changed my goals. I now went back to playing the game like I always had before, at the same time, slowly acquiring recipes and materials, adding new furniture one by one over time.
I came in with some hopes that were not 100℅ met. Instead of screaming to the heavens, demanding ZOS meet my hopes, I just changed my priorities, giving ZOS time to improve the system. That's what rational, even-tempered people do.3 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The barriers to entry in being able to really play with the system are too stupid and arbitrary to capture my interest.
When I want to grind hard and grind long in order to furnish a pointless decoration, I'll go paint my driveway with a size 1 edging brush.
Until then, Homestead's lost my interest. I don't hate it. I'm not going to boycott the game or flail my digital fists all over the internet about it.
I'll just not be investing much give-a-hoot into it. I'll eventually accumulate lots of its crafting mats and recipes playing the game as I do, I'm sure. Maybe sometime down the road I'll see if I can craft anything I give a hoot about, but if not, no biggie.
So, for me, its basically just kinda...irrelevant and 100% forgettable
I would call that a profoundly dangerous thing for something intended to be engaging to be, but it would scarcely matter.
Some will grind anything if you simply put it there for them to do.
Me? I have limits to what I'll do that are tightly relative to the value I perceive in doing them.
There is very little value in this for me, and the amusement I might acquire from going hog-wild and building/decorating something neat isn't available without a stupendous and prolonged effort.
An effort that is far too costly in terms of my time and interest to make the altogether modest amusement completely unworth pursuing.
Your mileage may vary.
See, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this post. It's a completely reasonable, adult response to the system. I too bought a house and began furnishing it, hoping I could deck it out in my first night.
When I learned the furnishing system was a huge time investment, I immediately changed my goals. I now went back to playing the game like I always had before, at the same time, slowly acquiring recipes and materials, adding new furniture one by one over time.
I came in with some hopes that were not 100℅ met. Instead of screaming to the heavens, demanding ZOS meet my hopes, I just changed my priorities, giving ZOS time to improve the system. That's what rational, even-tempered people do.
Wanna know what drove me nuts? Grinding for BSW, Grinding for Winterborn rings, grinding levels.
But guess what? Once I stopped doing the EXACT same thing over and over I had a lot of fun
Guess what else? I got those items, at a reasonable time frame.
If you give yourself a week or two and don't obsess you'll find you may actually get what you want and have fun.
I quoted this because it's 100% correct.2 -
Maikon✭✭✭✭As I primarily PvP these days, I wasn't particularly looking forward to Homestead other than casually watching some YouTube videos. Disillusionment isn't the exact term that fits for me personally, and Homestead is free after all. Free to be ignored. I am aghast, I suppose, at what Homestead is, despite the obvious work that ZOS have put into it.
If you like PVP, check out "for honour" coming out Tuesday, you'll be amazed at how badly ESO is compared to that.
Played the For Honor beta, utter trash. Only thing good about it is the graphics.Edited by Maikon on February 9, 2017 8:12PM0 -
ZOS is not a game lover, but money lover. They don't know make game masterpieces, all they can see is how to get money.
Bethesda, you are a legend at making games, stop letting ZOS corrupt your brand! Fire them for good please!
You realize Bethesda is the same company that gave us Horse Armor DLC for Oblivion, right? They're companies, and they're trying to maximize profits. It's what every company does. They've done extensive market research to determine their prices, and what they have come up with is what they know some people will pay. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Homestead is all cosmetic, you need not participate if you think it's a waste of time and money.1 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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How patronising can you get? No one is screaming to the heavens here.I came in with some hopes that were not 100℅ met. Instead of screaming to the heavens, demanding ZOS meet my hopes, I just changed my priorities, giving ZOS time to improve the system. That's what rational, even-tempered people do.2 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
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How patronising can you get? No one is screaming to the heavens here.I came in with some hopes that were not 100℅ met. Instead of screaming to the heavens, demanding ZOS meet my hopes, I just changed my priorities, giving ZOS time to improve the system. That's what rational, even-tempered people do.
This must be your first day to the forums since Homestead released. Welcome. The forums have settled down a bit since Monday.0 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭While I didn't expect miracles from homestead or that gold would be under valued against crown stores what I did think was I would unlock a load of furniture through everything I has already achieved. I did not see the pointless grind to get crafting materials and receipts. I know in 3 months time these things will be 100 gold each but right now there is no point in buying a house as all I would have to put in it is a cheap stool.1 -
Sinthrax✭✭✭✭Sigtric, who are you, a Zenimax shill?
You are quite right, I am unwilling to grind. I want to play the game for FUN! Building stuff would be FUN! It is a GAME!
I have supported ZOS by spending €360 over the past 18 months on costumes, bank upgrades, and so on. This however feels like their most blatant money grab yet, or maybe it's the underhandedness of promoting this as a free update, but then absolutely gouging on crown store furniture prices that's so appaling.
I bought Autumn's Gate to start with. It has a 100 item limit. Bought with in game gold, the house was empty, except 57 of the 100 item slots were taken for plants and rocks, which shows how quickly you can run up to the limit by just making subtle changes to the garden. Fine, I can add some furniture and stay under the limit, but if wanted to make structural changes with planks, or maybe completely cover the garden with different grass, I would quickly run into the limit.
This kind of small-minded bean-counting reminds me of the licensing agreements of our partner company in the real world. Awful.
Just ignore him. He has irritated me every since he was on that little show with Elloa and Deltia. He hasn't a clue. Just I G N O R E him.0 -
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greylox✭✭✭✭✭Homestead is a good base and has some real potential...it's now in your hands ZoS, don't just leave it as is and add more items alone....this can be great. Allow more customization, make smaller items cheaper, allow custom made items to be sold etc
Let players set up traps for people, custom/user made quests from their homes, the icons on the map could be quest hubs....which in turn I should mention, allow randoms to scroll a list of people that allow their home to be open to the public and let those people visit without having to friend them.Edited by greylox on February 9, 2017 11:29PMPC EU
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{Rantoul} (Dark Elf Magknight, likes an ale between boss fights, has been known to offer daedric princes out in a fist fight)
{Red, The Wanderer} (Bosmer stam sorc and hunter extraordinaire)
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Residing in Stay-Moist Mansion-Shadowfen - The Smoking Den (as of 6th feb 2017)0 -
wiz12268b14_ESO✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »may i suggest you take a look at what @Elloa is doing with Homestead...yes there can be a gold cost involved, but see how creative she is being with it
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr_jowHQ_Mg
That actually could be seen as a negative. That one tiny little garden the guy made was over 100K in gold and also included crown only and achievement items, and also didnt include the 'rare' items you have to GRIND to make the furniture in the first place. So 137 items cost 100G out of pocket plus whatever hours it took to grind (or more money to buy those items) and it took up a tiny little corner of a small house instance.
So what about inside? Or the other side of the instance?
I said it in the PTS the first day actually. You buy a 4 million gold house it might cost 10 million more just to decorate it.
Either way cherry picking a few people who have spend the two months trying their hardest to sell this turd shows how limited it actually is.
And once again I will play my 'go to' card. If housing DLC was all that then why did they bury it with the announcement of the Mirrowind "expansion''? Housing has been the thing everyone who plays this game (PvE side) wanted before it was even released. They FINALLY deliver it 3 years later, yet before it is even released to the live servers they announce Mirrowind and make THAT the 'big' news.
IMO it was intentional its the latest in the 'oh well they screwed this DLC up at least we have (mirrowind) to look forward to.'. If Morrowind disappoints then it will be waiting for the NEXT thing.
Now I know MMO players are over demanding sometimes but sooner or later ZoS must deliver something that most people can get behind and not met with harsh criticisms.2 -
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✭I'm largely unimpressed with Homestead for it's additional content, but Lightning and Inferno stave changes are fine and that's all I cared about really.0 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can only shake my head in disbelief at people defending ZOS here, and the people uprating that first reply. Are we the players, or are we ZOS employees? Housing could have been SO much better than the stupid grindfest that it is. The gameplay could have been about decorating your house, but more so about promoting creative and unexpected gameplay with the housing editor, as Alcast and Sypher have done. Instead, what is the primary gameplay? It is grinding. I realise that is part of MMOs, but what's sad is that this was an opportunity to change that, yet ZOS did not have the courage, vision or conviction to do so.
Not everyone shares your opinion...it happens to me a lot, I just roll with it.
Personally I think this is a pretty good start to Housing, I think there needs to be more customization, and a few bugs to be worked out, while I know some less than patient people will shrill "THAT'S WAS WHAT PST WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR!!!!1elevenhuthut the reality is most housing systems I have seen added to existing MMO's faced similar issues.
I just think we could get a lot further with the conversation by not kneejerking the whole "ZOS epic fail!"hysteria that always happens by the twenty or so posters, I know that isn't going to happen because of agendas and all, but the way it's being handled now can pretty much guarantee legitimate complaints will get put in the flaming troll bin.
Don't take any of this personally I'm just making observations.Edited by Balamoor on February 10, 2017 12:15AM1 -
willlienellson✭✭✭✭✭The problem is that the AWESOME potential for creativity is severely hindered by other arbitrary limitations.
There are invisible walls not only around properties but in random places in the middle of some.
You can build awesome structures, arenas, and puzzles, but then have no item capacity left to enjoy the home traditionally as well.
*shrug*. So close, yet so far away. Maybe it will get better. It only took 3 years to get here. System might be splendid in 2020.1 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭willlienellson wrote: »The problem is that the AWESOME potential for creativity is severely hindered by other arbitrary limitations.
I agree there are some arbitrary barriers to the system. Regardless, something not meeting "potential" or "hopes" are never EVER justification for expressing "outrage" in an unhealthy manner. Not saying you in particular did this, but many have.
It's mind-boggling how some humans can sit their with a straight-face and justify their ridiculous reactions to things. I saw a guy in this forum type something to the affect "ZOMG ZOS, you FAILED. Housing is garbage, furniture is TOO EXPENSIVE in the Crown Shop. Uggggggh, quitting ESO until this is fixed."
[snip]
...And you think yourself a good person?!? ...At the very least you think yourself an accurate judge on what is good?!?
This is why I can't identify with most people, gamer or otherwise.
[Edit to remove real world politics.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on February 10, 2017 12:44AM1 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭willlienellson wrote: »The problem is that the AWESOME potential for creativity is severely hindered by other arbitrary limitations.
There are invisible walls not only around properties but in random places in the middle of some.
You can build awesome structures, arenas, and puzzles, but then have no item capacity left to enjoy the home traditionally as well.
*shrug*. So close, yet so far away. Maybe it will get better. It only took 3 years to get here. System might be splendid in 2020.
Honestly I think this time next year Housing will be where most folks want it, the could have soft launched it with caveats and future bonuses for those who chose to be early adopters, but that would have gotten just as much hair pulling and foot stomping.0 -
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✭✭As I primarily PvP these days, I wasn't particularly looking forward to Homestead other than casually watching some YouTube videos. Disillusionment isn't the exact term that fits for me personally, and Homestead is free after all. Free to be ignored. I am aghast, I suppose, at what Homestead is, despite the obvious work that ZOS have put into it.
If you like PVP, check out "for honour" coming out Tuesday, you'll be amazed at how badly ESO is compared to that.
I played the closed beta. It's a bit overrated.
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