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Have you ever kicked players out of your group for picking the wrong race for their class?
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srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
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"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
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"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
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srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
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"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.0 -
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✭✭✭Never seen it. And while I don't do many randoms at all, it has never even been brought up that my healer is a Redguard. And we can go back to beta in 2013 on that.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.1 -
Keep_Door✭✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »This is a role-playing game. If you think certain races have to be certain classes, then you are doing it wrong.
Its an mmo before its an rpg.
Honestly this happens alot in other mmos its not surprising people want the best of the besy when doing end game content.
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Darth_Apache✭✭✭Jumped into random Normal Dungeon Queue and one of the players was a Wood Elf DK.
The leader kicked him then proceeded to rant about inexperience and stupidity of other players.
I abandoned him at the final boss fight.
LMAO."Darth Apache XB1, NA, AD, StamBlade, DW/Bow"
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Darth_Apache✭✭✭Nocturnalan wrote: »No.
Don't."Darth Apache XB1, NA, AD, StamBlade, DW/Bow"
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srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.2 -
Darth_Apache✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.
This might be a dumb question to some.
It's been so long and I am sure that it's been answered a million times but I do not fear asking!
What are some examples of optimal race/class/resource setups?"Darth Apache XB1, NA, AD, StamBlade, DW/Bow"
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
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"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
Well i guess that i probably overreacted to the original post, what i wanted to say was simply that some race class combination simply perform better then others, and that's not just an opinion, it's a statement backed up by facts.0 -
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✭✭✭Darth_Apache wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.
This might be a dumb question to some.
It's been so long and I am sure that it's been answered a million times but I do not fear asking!
What are some examples of optimal race/class/resource setups?
A high elf magicka sorcerer with light armor and a destruction staff is a good example. A kahjiit nightblade using a medium armor dual wield stamina build is another. Orc dragonknight heavy armor tanking build. The list goes on...Edited by srfrogg23 on February 8, 2017 7:53PM0 -
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✭✭Spectral_Lord wrote: »
Bruh, I have a High Elf stamsorc and a Redguard magplar. Does that count?Vanthras79 wrote: »
The other way around
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✭Darth_Apache wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.
This might be a dumb question to some.
It's been so long and I am sure that it's been answered a million times but I do not fear asking!
What are some examples of optimal race/class/resource setups?
A high elf magicka sorcerer with light armor and a destruction staff is a good example. A kahjiit nightblade using a medium armor dual wield stamina build is another. Orc dragonknight heavy armor tanking build. The list goes on...
So... in other words, you're saying that "Play as you want" is a big stinkin' pile of hooey?1 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Darth_Apache wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.
This might be a dumb question to some.
It's been so long and I am sure that it's been answered a million times but I do not fear asking!
What are some examples of optimal race/class/resource setups?
A high elf magicka sorcerer with light armor and a destruction staff is a good example. A kahjiit nightblade using a medium armor dual wield stamina build is another. Orc dragonknight heavy armor tanking build. The list goes on...
So... in other words, you're saying that "Play as you want" is a big stinkin' pile of hooey?
Not at all. I was asked for examples of optimal race/class/resource setups. I provided examples.
The operative word there being "optimal".
There are roughly a dozen different factors that go into shaping your character build (give or take depending on how you choose to categorize them). Racial passives are only one of those things, and stats-wise, racial passives are comparatively small with regards to a lot of other factors (armor types, champion points, set bonuses, etc.).
Choosing a race based solely on how it looks is perfectly acceptable. It's acceptable by design, which is why racial passives tend to be a bit wimpy in the overall build.0 -
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✭Darth_Apache wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.
This might be a dumb question to some.
It's been so long and I am sure that it's been answered a million times but I do not fear asking!
What are some examples of optimal race/class/resource setups?
A high elf magicka sorcerer with light armor and a destruction staff is a good example. A kahjiit nightblade using a medium armor dual wield stamina build is another. Orc dragonknight heavy armor tanking build. The list goes on...
So... in other words, you're saying that "Play as you want" is a big stinkin' pile of hooey?
Not at all. I was asked for examples of optimal race/class/resource setups. I provided examples.
The operative word there being "optimal".
There are roughly a dozen different factors that go into shaping your character build (give or take depending on how you choose to categorize them). Racial passives are only one of those things, and stats-wise, racial passives are comparatively small with regards to a lot of other factors (armor types, champion points, set bonuses, etc.).
Choosing a race based solely on how it looks is perfectly acceptable. It's acceptable by design, which is why racial passives tend to be a bit wimpy in the overall build.
So it's okay if I play a Khajit sorceress? I'm a truly awful player anyway and contribute absolutely nothing to the game and will never make it to end game content anyway, so I guess my question is rather moot.0 -
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✭✭✭Darth_Apache wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »
"How much better?"
That's the real question. 1% to 5% of total dps or healing depending on the rest of the character's setup. Not nearly enough to justify kicking someone out.
If you rely so heavily on racial passives that you can't complete the content without them, then you're doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. Like, "I don't think you've ever played this game before" wrong.
I never kicked someone for they're race not being optimized. the difference is not really big, about 5 % dps loss, and you lose a bit of sustain, which could be worse than the dps loss.
So...why are you asking if "we're just going to turn off our brains" and pretend "all races perform the same" because "obviously certain races are better suited for certain setups" when you already know "the difference is not really big" enough to justify kicking someone out of a group for it?
I'm confused.
The difference is not big enough to kick someone in most scenarios, no. I imagine it would come up in progression trial guilds though. There the difference in dps/healing/sustain is quite evident.
It's not that evident. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you're not looking for it, you won't notice it.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that there a lot of Trials groups that manage to crush the Trials while using characters that don't use the optimal race/class/resource setup.
This might be a dumb question to some.
It's been so long and I am sure that it's been answered a million times but I do not fear asking!
What are some examples of optimal race/class/resource setups?
A high elf magicka sorcerer with light armor and a destruction staff is a good example. A kahjiit nightblade using a medium armor dual wield stamina build is another. Orc dragonknight heavy armor tanking build. The list goes on...
So... in other words, you're saying that "Play as you want" is a big stinkin' pile of hooey?
Not at all. I was asked for examples of optimal race/class/resource setups. I provided examples.
The operative word there being "optimal".
There are roughly a dozen different factors that go into shaping your character build (give or take depending on how you choose to categorize them). Racial passives are only one of those things, and stats-wise, racial passives are comparatively small with regards to a lot of other factors (armor types, champion points, set bonuses, etc.).
Choosing a race based solely on how it looks is perfectly acceptable. It's acceptable by design, which is why racial passives tend to be a bit wimpy in the overall build.
So it's okay if I play a Khajit sorceress? I'm a truly awful player anyway and contribute absolutely nothing to the game and will never make it to end game content anyway, so I guess my question is rather moot.
I have a khajit sorcerer, too. I like the aesthetics and the personality of the khajit. I also have a Breton Nightblade, because...reasons.
You can makeup for the mismatched race/class easily with:
1. Armor skill line passives
2. Class skill line ability morphs and passives
3. Weapon skill line morphs and passives
3. World skill line morphs and passives
4. Guild skill line morphs and passives
5. Champion Points
6. Stat point distribution
7. Set Bonuses
8. Armor traits
9. Armor enchantments
10. Jewelry traits
11. Jewelry enchantments
12. Weapon traits
13. Weapon enchantments
14. Food and drinks
15. Potions
16. Poisons
And, I'm sure there's something else that I forgot that could be added to the list.
Edited by srfrogg23 on February 8, 2017 9:08PM0 -
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✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Well, yes... Lemons and peppers are both fruits.
Of course they are. But "lemon" and "pepper" are merely adjectives that describe the flavour of the steak which I am eating. The dish is a steak. Lemons and peppers are the accents.
Just like MMO describes what kind of RPG this is.Lethal zergling2
