Wrong race for your class.. well, thats your opinion.

I have seen it happen like... once? But that was not his only problem.

Kaide wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

No, why would I?

I barely pay attention to the race other people play.

A friend of mine said at max level it is not uncommon to see certain races get kicked from groups if the group doesn't like their race/class combination. For instance he said a Orc going full magic caster would get kicked. If that happens a lot....then I would think racial passives would need to be looked at again. Like creating a pool of passives for each race to choose from.

That is an interesting idea, and something along those lines would definitely help combat the cookie-cutter feel of character builds in ESO. Currently, there is a very prevalent meta and, if you do not follow it, you will pay dearly in nearly all aspects of the game--PvP, PvE, Dungeons, etc. However, race and class selection should not be so inextricably linked that it begins to become oppressive, and it already has.

I am not advocating the removal of racial passives. I think they're very important for lore and thematic reasons. Also, the race you choose should have a substantial impact on your selection of class, but it shouldn't pre-determine it. How about, instead of each race having uniform racial passives regardless of class, the passives were slightly tweaked within each class?

For instance, Bosmer NBs--and I use Wood Elves as an example because they're the race I'm most familiar with--could have a slightly different playstyle than NBs of other races that is more based on stamina recovery. However, if a Bosmer were to choose to play as a Sorcerer, then this passive might be converted to magicka recovery (although the numbers would probably have to be adjusted to make sure that it isn't overpowered and that it doesn't offer as much of an advantage as choosing one of the more classic, magically-attuned races such as Altmer or Breton).

I think an arrangement like this would definitely retain the identity of each race individually while allowing players a little bit more freedom when choosing the race and class of their character.

DenMoria wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Try being a gay, female of any ethnic persuasion and tell me that there isn't racism, sexism and homophobia in a lot of the groupings.

Not to put too fine a point on anything...but I never talk about my orientation when I'm grouped up with strangers and if they ask I'll politely tell them it's none of their business. I'll drop out of groups that are gay/race/gender bashing but it's not directed at me because how would they know?

I think what I'm trying to ask is.....Why would that even come up?

It's usually the female and race that comes up, that and being called the "d" word for not being passive. It's truly annoying.

I can't imagine that even that would come up unless you're on voice chat. Are you a console player by any chance? On PC I've never seen anything along those lines come up in any group, even when we're on voice chat. Maybe that's reflective of differences between the PC and console communities, or maybe (more likely) it's because on PC you're usually not in voice chat unless you're in a group of friends and/or guildies and in such groups people are much less likely to be anonymous jerks.

Either way, that must really suck when that happens. I strongly suggest you report any racist/sexist/homophobic behaviour. You probably already do anyway, and it may or may not do any good, but if I were you I'd still do it.

Kaide wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

No, why would I?

I barely pay attention to the race other people play.

A friend of mine said at max level it is not uncommon to see certain races get kicked from groups if the group doesn't like their race/class combination. For instance he said a Orc going full magic caster would get kicked. If that happens a lot....then I would think racial passives would need to be looked at again. Like creating a pool of passives for each race to choose from.

Never seen it once. People kick for all sorts of reasons, ranging from literal poor performance, to level, to having a friend they want to come join, to not liking the way you dyed your armor, though. I'm sure it's happened, but I've never encountered this specific thing in all my days using the groupfinder *shrug*

No I've never done that. But race dies matter. Take a magDK for instance. An orc DK vs a Dark Elf, orc has nothing that will help DPS. Dark elf gets 7€ more damage with fire all a DK does, which is greater than the 5% bonus from minor Slayer, then 9% max magicka which equates to about 3k magicka which roughly equates to 300 spell damage. So combine these two and you have a bonus to damage that is greater than what julianos a whole 5 piece set gives you. Race does matter alot. But no one usually cares for pledges. And for vet trials once you are pulling over a certain threshold again no one cares. The only groups that might exclude you are groups going for top leaderboard runs. Just depends on the people.

But if a top player ever kicks someone from a random dungeon for race alone. Then they are scrubs lol. The only time I've ever noticed someone was the wrong race was when we got an big burly orc in a pretty costume with a hat that had flowers using the dutchess emote. And they were fantastic heals. Better than the last random healer that had max CP was high elf and didn't think shards or orbs were his responsibility. But we carried him lol. Cause pledges are easy

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Kaide wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

No, why would I?

I barely pay attention to the race other people play.

A friend of mine said at max level it is not uncommon to see certain races get kicked from groups if the group doesn't like their race/class combination. For instance he said a Orc going full magic caster would get kicked. If that happens a lot....then I would think racial passives would need to be looked at again. Like creating a pool of passives for each race to choose from.

That is an interesting idea, and something along those lines would definitely help combat the cookie-cutter feel of character builds in ESO. Currently, there is a very prevalent meta and, if you do not follow it, you will pay dearly in nearly all aspects of the game--PvP, PvE, Dungeons, etc. However, race and class selection should not be so inextricably linked that it begins to become oppressive, and it already has.

I am not advocating the removal of racial passives. I think they're very important for lore and thematic reasons. Also, the race you choose should have a substantial impact on your selection of class, but it shouldn't pre-determine it. How about, instead of each race having uniform racial passives regardless of class, the passives were slightly tweaked within each class?

For instance, Bosmer NBs--and I use Wood Elves as an example because they're the race I'm most familiar with--could have a slightly different playstyle than NBs of other races that is more based on stamina recovery. However, if a Bosmer were to choose to play as a Sorcerer, then this passive might be converted to magicka recovery (although the numbers would probably have to be adjusted to make sure that it isn't overpowered and that it doesn't offer as much of an advantage as choosing one of the more classic, magically-attuned races such as Altmer or Breton).

I think an arrangement like this would definitely retain the identity of each race individually while allowing players a little bit more freedom when choosing the race and class of their character.

Good point, about the racial skills, back in the start skills was soft capped so they was far less important. You reached cap and then had to push points into other stuff typically get stamina or magic capped, then go for critical so all in endgame had maxed out magic.
Current setup is far more min-max so racials might need adjusting,

Today I have seen Khajit templar healer, he looked awesome during springs cast!

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i was kicked from group finder (trying to level my undaunted) for being an argonian templar healer - apparently my tail was scarry!

lol what bellends. my argonian templar healer is one of my strongest chars. drops massive heals, shards, orbs.. has nearly 4k regen when Lich procs. argonians make awesome healers.

No one has kicked me, but I could kick myself for making a bad race/class combo.

Kaide wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

No, why would I?

I barely pay attention to the race other people play.

A friend of mine said at max level it is not uncommon to see certain races get kicked from groups if the group doesn't like their race/class combination. For instance he said a Orc going full magic caster would get kicked. If that happens a lot....then I would think racial passives would need to be looked at again. Like creating a pool of passives for each race to choose from.

I really wish they would do something like this.

I make a Redguard Sorcerer so am I going to get kicked later lol?

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Kicking someone based on their race is just absurd.

Agreed.

Anyone who would stoop to such infantile bigotry deserves to have their kick privileges revoked.