Homestead lacks value and utility

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

Homestead is welcome in ESO. I have absolutely 0 objections to Homestead coming to ESO. I do however have strong criticism of implementation as well as the business model behind it.

The biggest criticism has to be the pricing. Absolutely horrendous when paired with the amount of grind necessary for furniture. I'm a big time free market capitalist, and I do believe that businesses should seek profit as well as keeping all of it. The profit motive is a wonderful thing, and is a pinnacle to understanding free market economics. Human beings are driven by the profit motive. From companies like ZOS all the way down to individual players, we all seek to profit in one way or another. However, consumers know when there isn't value to be had in a product or service. And that is the case with Homestead. It's 2017, and you've provided us with housing with less utility and functionality than games from 2001.

Don't believe me?

Ask Matt Firor. He has been highly influential in the direction of ESO. He also came from a game called Dark Age of Camelot. A game which still lives on in legend as of today. Renowned for its PVP, and still wins awards today. Dark Age of Camelot also had housing. It was wonderful.

DAOC Housing:
-Wasn't instanced based. Your house was placed on a lot within a block of lots. The block could consist of a string of houses circling a lake for example. All players could see your house. As well as all the decorations and guild tapestry you placed on it.

-You had your own merchants to sell your wares. You placed a consignment merchant on your patio of your house. Players could travel to your house and browse your wares. At the beginning of the zone, players could search all wares in your community of all sellers at a kiosk. They could also purchase the wares directly from the kiosk for additional fees. If not, they would have to run to your house and purchase it directly from your merchant to save some money.

-There was tiers of houses to show off your status. Small and meager homes. Large homes, etc.

-There was no cash shop to motivate housing. Dropping real money on housing didn't exist. The game was entirely funded through box sales and subscriptions. Yet, the housing was still provided without all the expensive strings attached.

The horrendous guild and guild trader system of ESO pales in comparison to that of DAOC'S market and utility of housing. There is no such thing as guild pride in ESO. You're in 5 different guilds. The merchants in DAOC were tied to housing. This allowed guilds to own guild houses as well as profit from their merchant.

With the implementation of Homestead it highlights these issues regarding guilds and traders. It highlights the fact that better systems have been done in the past, by some of your own employees ZOS, without even charging people additional for it.

People need to start voting with their wallets. You are paying more now, in 2017, for less than what people did back in the early 2000s. The pay walls attached to Homestead are not a value. It's a slap in the face to even market it as such.

The amount of grind blatantly implemented to push people towards a crown store purchase is very noticeable to the masses. People don't respond well to this, including myself as a free market capitalist. The product itself should incentivize purchases out of sheer awesomeness. Not due to the grind which sucks the fun out of it. It makes your customers feel entrapped and coerced ZOS.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

Where were you at a month ago?

Korsario · February 2017

Hopefully with time they can add some utility the the housing, decorating its pretty fun and there are alto of option but more utility would be welcome. However theres a big caveat if you add to much utility to housign you emty the open world and specially the cities so there needs to be some balance not to make the game feel empty.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

Testing other things. Homestead was low on my list of priorities because I knew the implementation was shoddy.

Gedalya · February 2017

I'm settling in with some popcorn for this thread.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

Testing other things. Homestead was low on my list of priorities because I knew the implementation was shoddy.

Low on your list when players opinion mattered more than now? that's a bummer. Hopefully the other things you tested aren't a complete let down.

willlienellson · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

willlienellson wrote: »

I made a thread 26 days ago ..........
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313666/11-obvious-flaws-and-11-easy-fixes-housing/p1

And not just me. Tons of threads by folks giving a detailed and respectful analysis of how the update was lacking, and that's to say nothing of the actual bugs that were introduced along the way.

This PTS was one of the least productive ever in terms of feedback leading to change, and that's really saying something.

And I called it then, after this goes live you are going to see more and more threads like this. It will get worse as time goes on...not better, because the more you play Homestead the more you discover new limitations and grinds.

Zypheran · February 2017

I think it is obvious that the level of grind required for furniture was indeed a deliberate move to push people toward crown store, and in truth, I don't mind. I know that ESO needs to make money, I get that...
BUT, the crown prices are just outrageous. The business model is clearly aimed at Whale hunting! They would rather catch one player for 100 bucks than get 5 to spend 20! The problem is, it was such a blatantly greedy move that they are going to risk demotivating a large proportion of the player base. This will damage the community and ZOS should know that a strong community is needed to keep the whales.
For me they made 3 greedy moves in a short space of time;
1 - they played semantics with DLC vs chapters and decided to charge €40 in addition to my €156 a year in subscriptions
2 - launching houses on the crown store at over €120
3 - using the PTS to double and triple the price of CS building materials because they were discovered to be popular
I genuinely think they would make more money if they weren't obvious with their whale hunting model.
Please bring value back to crown store... I for one am only waiting to spend cash on items that represent genuine value!

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

Testing other things. Homestead was low on my list of priorities because I knew the implementation was shoddy.

Low on your list when players opinion mattered more than now? that's a bummer. Hopefully the other things you tested aren't a complete let down.

I'm combat and pvp orientated. So, it stands to reason I would spend more time with that as it was my main concern. Homestead is somewhat of a flop on ESO because the business side of ESO had far too much influence in the implementation. That kills games.

bulbousb16_ESO · February 2017

Ok, we get it. Capitalist guy is Capitalist and he views the world through that prism. Sorry, but real life isn't like that.

And if you want to give an example of the pinnacle of player housing, that distinction belongs to SWG.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, we get it. Capitalist guy is Capitalist and he views the world through that prism. Sorry, but real life isn't like that.

And if you want to give an example of the pinnacle of player housing, that distinction belongs to SWG.

SWG had excellent housing as well. However, I felt it necessary to cite DAOC as an example considering that some of the most influential members to ESO'S development came from DAOC and Mythic Entertainment.

As for real life. Well, that truly is how real life works. Individuals pursue profit. Businesses pursue profit. When a business provides subpar products at premium prices the consumer must pressure the business or seek out the better value.

Sigtric · February 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, we get it. Capitalist guy is Capitalist and he views the world through that prism. Sorry, but real life isn't like that.

And if you want to give an example of the pinnacle of player housing, that distinction belongs to SWG.

SWG housing was indeed amazing

I barely remember DAoC's

I like that ESO's is a long term goal oriented system if you don't want to throw cash at it. However, housing items in the crown store are exactly the right kind of things that SHOULD be in cash shops anyway.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

Zypheran wrote: »

I think it is obvious that the level of grind required for furniture was indeed a deliberate move to push people toward crown store, and in truth, I don't mind. I know that ESO needs to make money, I get that...
BUT, the crown prices are just outrageous. The business model is clearly aimed at Whale hunting! They would rather catch one player for 100 bucks than get 5 to spend 20! The problem is, it was such a blatantly greedy move that they are going to risk demotivating a large proportion of the player base. This will damage the community and ZOS should know that a strong community is needed to keep the whales.
For me they made 3 greedy moves in a short space of time;
1 - they played semantics with DLC vs chapters and decided to charge €40 in addition to my €156 a year in subscriptions
2 - launching houses on the crown store at over €120
3 - using the PTS to double and triple the price of CS building materials because they were discovered to be popular
I genuinely think they would make more money if they weren't obvious with their whale hunting model.
Please bring value back to crown store... I for one am only waiting to spend cash on items that represent genuine value!

I don't believe greed to be a bad thing inherently. However, I do believe that a business should provide a quality product to justify it. And that is where they went wrong. The lack of utility, and functionality, results in a poor value at the current pricing.

Sigtric · February 2017

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

I think it is obvious that the level of grind required for furniture was indeed a deliberate move to push people toward crown store, and in truth, I don't mind. I know that ESO needs to make money, I get that...
BUT, the crown prices are just outrageous. The business model is clearly aimed at Whale hunting! They would rather catch one player for 100 bucks than get 5 to spend 20! The problem is, it was such a blatantly greedy move that they are going to risk demotivating a large proportion of the player base. This will damage the community and ZOS should know that a strong community is needed to keep the whales.
For me they made 3 greedy moves in a short space of time;
1 - they played semantics with DLC vs chapters and decided to charge €40 in addition to my €156 a year in subscriptions
2 - launching houses on the crown store at over €120
3 - using the PTS to double and triple the price of CS building materials because they were discovered to be popular
I genuinely think they would make more money if they weren't obvious with their whale hunting model.
Please bring value back to crown store... I for one am only waiting to spend cash on items that represent genuine value!

I don't believe greed to be a bad thing inherently. However, I do believe that a business should provide a quality product to justify it. And that is where they went wrong. The lack of utility, and functionality, results in a poor value at the current pricing.

That's only relative to the individual buyer, though. There's a lot of people happily playing in their houses because they value different things.

Surragard · February 2017

Kudos to the SWG reference @bulbousb16_ESO. I don't know how to really state this without sounding like a big troll but at the end of the day my real issue with housing is that I don't feel like I care enough about showing off a house to really get into it. Even if I dropped the cash on a big crown store mansion and bought a ton of decorations I just don't see hanging out there with my friends. I have a few people I play with and when we log on we're pretty much trying to get right to the action. Otherwise, I play ESO solo and so I would just be spending the money to have something nice for myself to look at. It just doesn't seem worth it in ESO.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

I think it is obvious that the level of grind required for furniture was indeed a deliberate move to push people toward crown store, and in truth, I don't mind. I know that ESO needs to make money, I get that...
BUT, the crown prices are just outrageous. The business model is clearly aimed at Whale hunting! They would rather catch one player for 100 bucks than get 5 to spend 20! The problem is, it was such a blatantly greedy move that they are going to risk demotivating a large proportion of the player base. This will damage the community and ZOS should know that a strong community is needed to keep the whales.
For me they made 3 greedy moves in a short space of time;
1 - they played semantics with DLC vs chapters and decided to charge €40 in addition to my €156 a year in subscriptions
2 - launching houses on the crown store at over €120
3 - using the PTS to double and triple the price of CS building materials because they were discovered to be popular
I genuinely think they would make more money if they weren't obvious with their whale hunting model.
Please bring value back to crown store... I for one am only waiting to spend cash on items that represent genuine value!

I don't believe greed to be a bad thing inherently. However, I do believe that a business should provide a quality product to justify it. And that is where they went wrong. The lack of utility, and functionality, results in a poor value at the current pricing.

That's only relative to the individual buyer, though. There's a lot of people happily playing in their houses because they value different things.

Correct. Value is subjective. However, people know when they aren't getting their money's worth. Deltia, for example, bought his EP Mansion and youtubed it. Even though he knew the price was outrageous he still purchased it. Why? He valued the house more than the real money. Even though he knew the value wasn't there at the current pricing. Similar to impulse buying. The desire to have it outweighs your better judgement. These big companies prey on this knowingly. They study these things.

Personally, even though I do want a house in ESO. I won't be using crowns to get it. I will humble myself with a smaller house to avoid getting taken to the cleaners.

I've played too many MMORPGS with superior Housing, as a means of comparison, to justify spending the money.

maboleth · February 2017

Do remember that this is only the beginning. The mechanics & code for the houses and editors have been put in the game for the first time. Soo... it won't be long before Zeni upgrades the housing into something much more fluid and functional.

For example, initially ESO+ lacked a crafting bag. It was added much later on. Now people value the bags to be worth almost the entire subscription price. It's that good. There are many examples like that.

Devs need time and also the stats to see how people are using the houses and the ways to improve them.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

maboleth wrote: »

Do remember that this is only the beginning. The mechanics & code for the houses has been put now for the first time.
Soo... it won't be long before Zeni upgrades the housing into something much more fluid and functional.

For example, initially ESO+ lacked a crafting bag. It was added much later on. Now people value crafting bag to be worth almost the entire subscription price. It's that good. There are many examples like that.

Devs need time and also the stats to see how people are using it and the ways to improve.

Indeed the crafting bag was an excellent perk to plus membership. But, housing is far more complicated. Some of the things that need changed require entire overhauls to current systems.

Stanelis · February 2017

My biggest gripe with housing currently is that both the furniture and the interior layouts of the house are non customizable and underwhelming.

It's a huge grind to get generic stuff you find all over the world (be it interior layouts of the house or housing furniture).

nimander99 · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

Zypheran · February 2017

maboleth wrote: »

Do remember that this is only the beginning. The mechanics & code for the houses and editors have been put in the game for the first time. Soo... it won't be long before Zeni upgrades the housing into something much more fluid and functional.

For example, initially ESO+ lacked a crafting bag. It was added much later on. Now people value the bags to be worth almost the entire subscription price. It's that good. There are many examples like that.

Devs need time and also the stats to see how people are using the houses and the ways to improve them.

Then why not launch the Homestead items on crown store at a price that reflects that this is only an initial attempt?
The issue (for me anyway) isn't so much about what Homestead is or isn't. In truth I think it is a fantastic addition to the game, I just think that the crown store prices are completely off the mark and don't even come close to representing value. Ive said it before, how can you justify €110 for a functionless manor when the game itself costs €40 and Morrowind also costs €40?? Answer - you cant... it's just pure whale hunting!
And for those who are going to say that you can buy it all with in game gold, I think its obvious that the developers have locked this function behind so much RNG as to make it extremely difficult in order to encourage CS purchases instead.

Sigtric · February 2017

nimander99 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

nimander99 · February 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

@Sigtric it was my understanding that those are actually separate items... They are the same name but you get no utility from the one you steal, you cant actually use it only vendor it, and the exact same item is super expensive, but maybe I'm wrong?

Sigtric · February 2017

nimander99 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

@Sigtric it was my understanding that those are actually separate items... They are the same name but you get no utility from the one you steal, you cant actually use it only vendor it, and the exact same item is super expensive, but maybe I'm wrong?

I've seen tooltips and had people mention items they've stolen that are indeed placeable in the home. I don't think they are OLD thieving items, but new ones in the loot table.

Dawnblade · February 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

@Sigtric it was my understanding that those are actually separate items... They are the same name but you get no utility from the one you steal, you cant actually use it only vendor it, and the exact same item is super expensive, but maybe I'm wrong?

I've seen tooltips and had people mention items they've stolen that are indeed placeable in the home. I don't think they are OLD thieving items, but new ones in the loot table.

I found a rug decoration inside a container (stolen) and another decoration item off an NPC I killed using Blade of Woe - both were new items, the flavor items from stealing that are sold to the fence are still the same - just vendor items.

As far as the OP - I have no issues with instanced homes, though I see little reason to have a home (no functionality), as well as see the grind for plans, materials, etc to decorate a home a combination of 'keep em busy' with the lack of new content since SotH along with a giant 'BUY NOW' button to push the cash shop.

Oh I also agree the guild trader system is crap, but my solution would not be to make it even more convoluted, but rather make it like Amazon where I can find and list everything through an easy to use / open to all game wide marketplace.

AhPook_Is_Here · February 2017

I don't really understand this premise, how does it lack value if it is essentially "free" or optional. You don't have to pay for the content with real money, if you are using in-game gold that you have previously earned, by the TOS it has no exchange value, and therefore anything you fairly exchange it for also has no value.

Personally I feel like i got a lot of value out of this. For no money I got to do a fun 15 min quest to extort something from someone who didn't want it, bought a tea table for 250 gold placed it in the center of the room and put my monkey on it. I feel like I have got the maximum utility out of housing for myself, and I'm ready for the next content.

Sigtric · February 2017

Dawnblade wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

@Sigtric it was my understanding that those are actually separate items... They are the same name but you get no utility from the one you steal, you cant actually use it only vendor it, and the exact same item is super expensive, but maybe I'm wrong?

I've seen tooltips and had people mention items they've stolen that are indeed placeable in the home. I don't think they are OLD thieving items, but new ones in the loot table.

I found a rug decoration inside a container (stolen) and another decoration item off an NPC I killed using Blade of Woe - both were new items, the flavor items from stealing that are sold to the fence are still the same - just vendor items.

As far as the OP - I have no issues with instanced homes, though I see little reason to have a home (no functionality), as well as see the grind for plans, materials, etc to decorate a home a combination of 'keep em busy' with the lack of new content since SotH along with a giant 'BUY NOW' button to push the cash shop.

Oh I also agree the guild trader system is crap, but my solution would not be to make it even more convoluted, but rather make it like Amazon where I can find and list everything through an easy to use / open to all game wide marketplace.

I mean stuff like this. It's been stolen from someone/something, and it explicitly states it is a furnishing (not a treasure/trophy/personal item)

Tandor · February 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, we get it. Capitalist guy is Capitalist and he views the world through that prism. Sorry, but real life isn't like that.

And if you want to give an example of the pinnacle of player housing, that distinction belongs to SWG.

Or EQ2, but either way SOE had it in the bag.

idk · February 2017

Did DAOC even have a cash shop? Cash shops are pretty much a staple of MMOs now so I would get used to them and that at least some part of any housing system in new MMOs will ties to the cash shop. If a cash shop was added it would have been much simpler that cash shops of the current age of MMOs.

Remember, ESO is a product of a business first and is here to get a return from their investment. Of course, people can vote with their wallets, that is how business works and judging from those I know, they are voting big. I know a few with manors and others with large and medium housing. Seem to enjoy them as well.

Instanced housing is also more normal these days, Granted it is easier that individual housing like DAOC for starters.

ESO does have housing for every budget for in game gold and almost every budget concerning crowns (granted some players have no crowns). There are players that have enough gold to buy to buy Manors out right with gold, even all three manors.

Even games like SWTOR have homes priced in the millions and that is just for a small part of the home and the cost to unlock the entire home is above 10 mil of their in game currency which is approximately what a manor costs here in equivalent game currency. Guild halls start at a much higher price and even more to unlock it all.

There are aspects of housing that would be good changes but being instanced and the price is not among that. I am actually surprised the crown prices furnished are as low as they are.

nimander99 · February 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Dawnblade wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

@Sigtric it was my understanding that those are actually separate items... They are the same name but you get no utility from the one you steal, you cant actually use it only vendor it, and the exact same item is super expensive, but maybe I'm wrong?

I've seen tooltips and had people mention items they've stolen that are indeed placeable in the home. I don't think they are OLD thieving items, but new ones in the loot table.

I found a rug decoration inside a container (stolen) and another decoration item off an NPC I killed using Blade of Woe - both were new items, the flavor items from stealing that are sold to the fence are still the same - just vendor items.

As far as the OP - I have no issues with instanced homes, though I see little reason to have a home (no functionality), as well as see the grind for plans, materials, etc to decorate a home a combination of 'keep em busy' with the lack of new content since SotH along with a giant 'BUY NOW' button to push the cash shop.

Oh I also agree the guild trader system is crap, but my solution would not be to make it even more convoluted, but rather make it like Amazon where I can find and list everything through an easy to use / open to all game wide marketplace.

I mean stuff like this. It's been stolen from someone/something, and it explicitly states it is a furnishing (not a treasure/trophy/personal item)

Have you actually tried placing it?

Sigtric · February 2017

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Where were you at a month ago?

I purposefully ignored/avoided mention of housing and its mechanics costs etc. (I know you weren't addressing me but I feel like answering your question anyways) I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by everything, I figured this would be a lay up homerun for ZeniMax.

I am actually pretty shocked at the whole system (as it stands now), surprised by housing items not being account tab'd like other cosmetics, surprised that none of the theiveable items can be placed in a home (what a missed opportunity!), surprised by how expensive everything is (bleh), surprised that achievements have been tied in the way they are... and not the way I expected.

Idk, its weird, maybe housing will improve... but so far all I see is a Crown Store buy everything gobbeldygoop.

Here's to hoping housing gets improved upon!

P.S: Seriously cant believe steal-able items aren't placeable... I mean, none? I literally expected this to be a thing, cause its a Scrolls game

There ARE actually stealable items in game now that are furnishings.

@Sigtric it was my understanding that those are actually separate items... They are the same name but you get no utility from the one you steal, you cant actually use it only vendor it, and the exact same item is super expensive, but maybe I'm wrong?

I've seen tooltips and had people mention items they've stolen that are indeed placeable in the home. I don't think they are OLD thieving items, but new ones in the loot table.

I found a rug decoration inside a container (stolen) and another decoration item off an NPC I killed using Blade of Woe - both were new items, the flavor items from stealing that are sold to the fence are still the same - just vendor items.

As far as the OP - I have no issues with instanced homes, though I see little reason to have a home (no functionality), as well as see the grind for plans, materials, etc to decorate a home a combination of 'keep em busy' with the lack of new content since SotH along with a giant 'BUY NOW' button to push the cash shop.

Oh I also agree the guild trader system is crap, but my solution would not be to make it even more convoluted, but rather make it like Amazon where I can find and list everything through an easy to use / open to all game wide marketplace.

I mean stuff like this. It's been stolen from someone/something, and it explicitly states it is a furnishing (not a treasure/trophy/personal item)

Have you actually tried placing it?

It's not mine, going to search tonight