dear zos you better read, and you better take corrective action.

AzuraKin · February 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

How about asking nicely.

[snip]i did ask nicely. i asked in a friendly adult format. i laid out the problem, broken down into the best specifics i know, i explained why the issues are in conflict with past precedent of skill changes, i explained what fix and why it should be fixed.

[edited for baiting]

willlienellson · February 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

People will complain about anything.

Yeah, there's not enough grind in this game. And today's Homestead is just a huge grind.

I know....let's make people REGRIND skills they learned. That'll be swell.

Izaki · February 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

People will complain about anything.

Relevelling all your skills can be annoying though. Especially when you've had them at Rank IV for like a year.

DocFrost72 · February 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

it is wrong, decietful, dishonest, evil, and drives players like me, who are the backbone of this game.

Evil is a strong word. I might save it for something like, IDK, genocide, but yeah unleveling your skills works too. Evil.

XDragonDoomX · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

after the update i log on to toons and find skills most that been trained for over a year no longer fully trained. this needs fixed, i will not take the time to retrain skills plus both morphs on skills i have already done so just because you make some changes and or move them on where they unlock. i will post the ones i see, though it may not be a complete list. if you messed up morphs of skills, that will be on you to discover and fix when you fix the ones i can identify

rebecca azurakin: magicka nb
2nd: cleave
bow: poison arrow
destruction staff: destructive touch

chiaki minami: magicka templar
same as above.

padomey: magicka sorcerer
same as above.

star of dusk and dawn: magicka nb
2nd cleave
bow: poison arrow
destructive reach morph up, for training, do not know if other morph or base were effected.

princess sofia the first: magicka templar
same as first 3
dw: twin slashes

azura's handmaiden: magicka dk
same as star of dusk and dawn.

azura of the crimson gate: stamina nb
shadow: shadow cloak
same as first 3.

telvanni grandmistress: stamina sorc
same as first 3.

all of these skills were at the very least trained to morph stage, at least 90% of them 1 or both morphs fully trained. i should not have to retrain a skill + its morphs just cause you made some changes to it and/or its positioning on weapon tree. while i know some noobs will come on and say things like they moved it from slot 1 to slot 2 and slot 2 requires more xp then slot 1, they will be saying so forgetting that skill 2 then was moved to slot 1 thus the total xp between the skills earned remains the same. also this flys in the face of established procedure that when skills have been changed for any reason, including skills changed to point they had no remnants of the skill before change (basically old skill was removed, new skill added in place) there was no change made to xp earned. fix this zos. i have spent too much time and energy on my characters to ensure that all skills including ww and vampire skills were aquired, trained and both morphs trained on each and every character. i should not have to repeat a skill because you decide to make changes.

I suggest you read the community rules..
"Demands and Threats: We encourage you to share feedback, suggestion, and requests with us, but we expect all of our community members to refrain from resorting to demands or threats. We believe that demands and threats are not constructive. Threats of real-life violence, in particular, are something we take very seriously and do not tolerate in the ESO community."

Demands aren't tolerated or listened to.

Mashille · February 2017

It Annoys Me That There's No Capital Letters In Your Title

AzuraKin · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

anyone who is not upset with zos taking xp away from people, which is hard fing work on thier part, should be *** pissed the *** off.

Nobody had XP taken away from them. The order skills are unlocked was changed. The earlier a skill is unlocked, the less XP it takes to level it.

Here's a simplistic example of what happened.

Skill A was the first skill unlocked in this skill line, and Skill B was the second. They traded places.

Skill A used to take 100K XP to level to max, while Skill B used to take 200K.

If a player had earned 100K XP in Skill A prior to the update (just enough to max it), after the update it would no longer be at max rank. You've still got 100K XP in the skill, but now you're only halfway to max rank.

Is it an annoying change when your build relies on certain skills that are no longer where they once were? Of course it is! But you haven't actually had XP taken away from you.

[snip]news flash lets take bow skills:
snipe was swapped with poison arrow. both poison arrow and snipe were on all these toons, lvled to morph and both morph 1 and morph 2 fully trained. thus swapping the skills position should not make me have to gain more xp for those skills. zos made precedent that even when skill a was removed and skill b was implemented into its spot you did not have to retrain base or morphs. so please explalin to me what logic would decry that moving skill 1 into skill 5 slot, and skill 5 into skill 1 slot somehow means i should have to do training on skill 1 that is now on skill 5 slot because skill 5 skills take more xp when i earned that xp on the previous skill 5 slot skill.

[edited for flaming]

AzuraKin · February 2017

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

I suggest you read the community rules..
"Demands and Threats: We encourage you to share feedback, suggestion, and requests with us, but we expect all of our community members to refrain from resorting to demands or threats. We believe that demands and threats are not constructive. Threats of real-life violence, in particular, are something we take very seriously and do not tolerate in the ESO community."

Demands aren't tolerated or listened to.

there is no threats here, there is no demands. [snip]

[edit for insult]

Number_51 · February 2017

Pretty sure no one "lost" xp. Different skills take different amounts of xp to train based on where that skill falls in the skill line. Just to ease the math... say the 1st skill takes 20k xp to fully train, the 2nd takes 40k, the 3rd takes 60k, the 4th takes 80k, and the 5th takes 100k. Once a skill is fully trained it doesn't store up xp above and beyond what is needed. Now when you change the order; say move the 4th skill to the 5th spot, it still has 80k xp but now needs 100k to be fully trained.

I suppose maybe a skill might lose xp if it's moved down in order. No way to say since we can't see the back-end (can't see whether or not the xp above and beyond what is currently needed is still stored). A good solution would be to have all skills "store" xp up to the amount needed by the highest level skill. Then skills could be re-ordered at any time without what looks like (but really isn't) a loss of xp.

XDragonDoomX · February 2017

"dear zos you better read, and you better take corrective action"

^^^^^ this isn't a demand ???

think I just passed the course A+

AzuraKin · February 2017

Number_51 wrote: »

Pretty sure no one "lost" xp. Different skills take different amounts of xp to train based on where that skill falls in the skill line. Just to ease the math... say the 1st skill takes 20k xp to fully train, the 2nd takes 40k, the 3rd takes 60k, the 4th takes 80k, and the 5th takes 100k. Once a skill is fully trained it doesn't store up xp above and beyond what is needed. Now when you change the order; say move the 4th skill to the 5th spot, it still has 80k xp but now needs 100k to be fully trained.

I suppose maybe a skill might lose xp if it's moved down in order. No way to say since we can't see the back-end (can't see whether or not the xp above and beyond what is currently needed is still stored). A good solution would be to have all skills "store" xp up to the amount needed by the highest level skill. Then skills could be re-ordered at any time without what looks like (but really isn't) a loss of xp.

[snip] if poison arrow is fully trained and both morphs trained, and snipe is fully trained and both morphs trained please tell me [snip], where i did not earn the xp? if i had poison arrow trained and snipe not trained there be no issue.

[edited to remove flaming]

prettynink · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

after the update i log on to toons and find skills most that been trained for over a year no longer fully trained. this needs fixed, i will not take the time to retrain skills plus both morphs on skills i have already done so just because you make some changes and or move them on where they unlock. i will post the ones i see, though it may not be a complete list. if you messed up morphs of skills, that will be on you to discover and fix when you fix the ones i can identify

rebecca azurakin: magicka nb
2nd: cleave
bow: poison arrow
destruction staff: destructive touch

chiaki minami: magicka templar
same as above.

padomey: magicka sorcerer
same as above.

star of dusk and dawn: magicka nb
2nd cleave
bow: poison arrow
destructive reach morph up, for training, do not know if other morph or base were effected.

princess sofia the first: magicka templar
same as first 3
dw: twin slashes

azura's handmaiden: magicka dk
same as star of dusk and dawn.

azura of the crimson gate: stamina nb
shadow: shadow cloak
same as first 3.

telvanni grandmistress: stamina sorc
same as first 3.

all of these skills were at the very least trained to morph stage, at least 90% of them 1 or both morphs fully trained. i should not have to retrain a skill + its morphs just cause you made some changes to it and/or its positioning on weapon tree. while i know some noobs will come on and say things like they moved it from slot 1 to slot 2 and slot 2 requires more xp then slot 1, they will be saying so forgetting that skill 2 then was moved to slot 1 thus the total xp between the skills earned remains the same. also this flys in the face of established procedure that when skills have been changed for any reason, including skills changed to point they had no remnants of the skill before change (basically old skill was removed, new skill added in place) there was no change made to xp earned. fix this zos. i have spent too much time and energy on my characters to ensure that all skills including ww and vampire skills were aquired, trained and both morphs trained on each and every character. i should not have to repeat a skill because you decide to make changes.

I suggest you read the community rules..
"Demands and Threats: We encourage you to share feedback, suggestion, and requests with us, but we expect all of our community members to refrain from resorting to demands or threats. We believe that demands and threats are not constructive. Threats of real-life violence, in particular, are something we take very seriously and do not tolerate in the ESO community."

Demands aren't tolerated or listened to.

there is no threats here, there is no demands. if you think either one of these exists in this post, go take a college lvl reading comprehension course.

Demand #1 Zos You BETTER READ THIS...demand #2 and You BETTER TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION...missing anything else?

DenMoria · February 2017

AzuraKin wrote: »

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

after the update i log on to toons and find skills most that been trained for over a year no longer fully trained. this needs fixed, i will not take the time to retrain skills plus both morphs on skills i have already done so just because you make some changes and or move them on where they unlock. i will post the ones i see, though it may not be a complete list. if you messed up morphs of skills, that will be on you to discover and fix when you fix the ones i can identify

rebecca azurakin: magicka nb
2nd: cleave
bow: poison arrow
destruction staff: destructive touch

chiaki minami: magicka templar
same as above.

padomey: magicka sorcerer
same as above.

star of dusk and dawn: magicka nb
2nd cleave
bow: poison arrow
destructive reach morph up, for training, do not know if other morph or base were effected.

princess sofia the first: magicka templar
same as first 3
dw: twin slashes

azura's handmaiden: magicka dk
same as star of dusk and dawn.

azura of the crimson gate: stamina nb
shadow: shadow cloak
same as first 3.

telvanni grandmistress: stamina sorc
same as first 3.

all of these skills were at the very least trained to morph stage, at least 90% of them 1 or both morphs fully trained. i should not have to retrain a skill + its morphs just cause you made some changes to it and/or its positioning on weapon tree. while i know some noobs will come on and say things like they moved it from slot 1 to slot 2 and slot 2 requires more xp then slot 1, they will be saying so forgetting that skill 2 then was moved to slot 1 thus the total xp between the skills earned remains the same. also this flys in the face of established procedure that when skills have been changed for any reason, including skills changed to point they had no remnants of the skill before change (basically old skill was removed, new skill added in place) there was no change made to xp earned. fix this zos. i have spent too much time and energy on my characters to ensure that all skills including ww and vampire skills were aquired, trained and both morphs trained on each and every character. i should not have to repeat a skill because you decide to make changes.

I suggest you read the community rules..
"Demands and Threats: We encourage you to share feedback, suggestion, and requests with us, but we expect all of our community members to refrain from resorting to demands or threats. We believe that demands and threats are not constructive. Threats of real-life violence, in particular, are something we take very seriously and do not tolerate in the ESO community."

Demands aren't tolerated or listened to.

there is no threats here, there is no demands. if you think either one of these exists in this post, go take a college lvl reading comprehension course.

Obviously "You had better" is a demand. But, you are right. I do not see any threats.

Molydeus · February 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

How about asking nicely
where I come from asking like that will get you a broken nose.

Anonymity makes people bold. Without any consequences for their poor online behavior, kids these days get into a bad habit of being rude and demanding, which doesn't fly with in the real world.

ZOS_CoriJ · February 2017

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