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Blazing Spear Nerf...
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
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sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭You realize people have been talking about this for an entire moth in the PTS forum, right?Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
WTB Patch that doesn't gimp PvE because a handful of people in Cyrodil need to L2P.
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Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I can't really see a reason for the nerf is my problem.
I play PvP mainly, and don't really play my Templar much and have never got annoyed over someone using 'Blazing Spear' against me. So I really don't why it was nerfed.
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Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
WTB Patch that doesn't gimp PvE because a handful of people in Cyrodil need to L2P.
All The Best
You could actually say this about any 'class balance' - decent PVE games are always ruined by PvPer.
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wrobel commented on this on this forum.
He wanted to add tics to blazing spear and make luminous spear have the stun.
They are having coding issues with luminous spear so now that they are trying to fix0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
WTB Patch that doesn't gimp PvE because a handful of people in Cyrodil need to L2P.
All The Best
You could actually say this about any 'class balance' - decent PVE games are always ruined by PvPer.
Every templar spam blazing spear in PVP and luminous Shards are only used in PVE,
This is only nerf to PVP Templars!1 -
Gigasax✭✭✭✭Wrobel commented on this on this forum.
He wanted to add tics to blazing spear and make luminous spear have the stun.
They are having coding issues with luminous spear so now that they are trying to fix
I know, but they should have changed Blazing when Luminous is finally fixed!Edited by Gigasax on February 6, 2017 3:24PM- Noractis -
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Every templar spam blazing spear in PVP and luminous Shards are only used in PVE,
This is only nerf to PVP Templars!
Rubbish.
I don't PvP and my PvE "farming build" uses Blazing Spear for additional DoT and CC on trash packs.
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dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
It is pretty mind boggling. As far as I have been concerned Blazing Spear has had its failings since Beta. It was semi-useful when you could spam the thing and cc lock someone permanently, but that was a fix just waiting to happen. Once they fixed that the skill was essentially garbage, and honestly the only useful effect for the spears is their capacity to refill energy for the synergizer in pve. Templars don't really have good cc. Templar has been robbed of cc since the removal of Blinding Flashes and the continued nerfing of the spears and the way cc cooldown was introduced. I've spoken on this before, ad nauseum. I would just like to see them rethink this skill.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Every templar spam blazing spear in PVP and luminous Shards are only used in PVE,
This is only nerf to PVP Templars!
Rubbish.
I don't PvP and my PvE "farming build" uses Blazing Spear for additional DoT and CC on trash packs.
All The Best
It only stuns one target, you are missing big in PVP than PVE!
May be you are low CP and still Grinding CP levels with your templar!1 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
WTB Patch that doesn't gimp PvE because a handful of people in Cyrodil need to L2P.
All The Best
You could actually say this about any 'class balance' - decent PVE games are always ruined by PvPer.
Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Every templar spam blazing spear in PVP and luminous Shards are only used in PVE,
This is only nerf to PVP Templars!
Rubbish.
I don't PvP and my PvE "farming build" uses Blazing Spear for additional DoT and CC on trash packs.
All The Best
It only stuns one target, you are missing big in PVP than PVE!
May be you are low CP and still Grinding CP levels with your templar!
That's why I said additional CC - its there in case one gets past the other CC and throws a nice DOT.
I have 365 CP.
Don't assume everyone plays the same, or cares about the current meta.
All The Best
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
WTB Patch that doesn't gimp PvE because a handful of people in Cyrodil need to L2P.
All The Best
Post like these are getting old nobody in PvP asked for this nerf.
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Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Every templar spam blazing spear in PVP and luminous Shards are only used in PVE,
This is only nerf to PVP Templars!
Rubbish.
I don't PvP and my PvE "farming build" uses Blazing Spear for additional DoT and CC on trash packs.
All The Best
It only stuns one target, you are missing big in PVP than PVE!
May be you are low CP and still Grinding CP levels with your templar!
That's why I said additional CC - its there in case one gets past the other CC and throws a nice DOT.
I have 365 CP.
Don't assume everyone plays the same, or cares about the current meta.
All The Best
So you are low CP and still grinding.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -3 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »They had a meeting about increasing the amount of people using Luminous Shards. They came up with two options.
1. Make blazing spear completely useless in PvP.
2. Fix Luminous Shards.
They went with number 1.
WTB Patch that doesn't gimp PvE because a handful of people in Cyrodil need to L2P.
All The Best
You could actually say this about any 'class balance' - decent PVE games are always ruined by PvPer.
Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
Maybe, but alot of decisions made by ZOS seem to come from a PvP perspective. They just happen to be nerfs. So you can see how this looks to a PvEer"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
As general rule, across the MMORPG genre only 10-15% of a game's total playerbase will regularly engage in PvP.
I would guess because of ESO's novel approach to PvP we could safely assume that it is closer to 25-30% in ESO.
Now that would make PvPers a minority, a significant minority to be sure, but a minority all the same.
In numbers both sides aren't equal, but they do deserve equal respect.
I just don't see that happening when 90% of the current class changes are about balancing PvP and take no account of the detrimental effect they will have on PvE.
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Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭If luminous is going to be the pvp morph, then it either needs to cc multiple players per cast or its damage needs increased while actually cc'ing 1 player.
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Edit: I'd also like the player(s) to be set off balance after breaking the cc. That's probably just me being greedy, but blazing spear and radiant were both nerfed this patch. Templars would appreciate a little love.
@Joy_Division @CinbriEdited by Ron_Burgundy_79 on February 6, 2017 4:05PM1 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't really see a reason for the nerf is my problem.
I play PvP mainly, and don't really play my Templar much and have never got annoyed over someone using 'Blazing Spear' against me. So I really don't why it was nerfed.
From what I remember the stun was affecting more than 1 person, was stunning while target should have cc immunity, or was stunning outside the telegraph.
Basically they don't know how to fix it, so they remove its usefulness and it will no longer be used.1 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
As general rule, across the MMORPG genre only 10-15% of a game's total playerbase will regularly engage in PvP.
I would guess because of ESO's novel approach to PvP we could safely assume that it is closer to 25-30% in ESO.
Now that would make PvPers a minority, a significant minority to be sure, but a minority all the same.
In numbers both sides aren't equal, but they do deserve equal respect.
I just don't see that happening when 90% of the current class changes are about balancing PvP and take no account of the detrimental effect they will have on PvE.
All The Best
PvE is a joke right now, it needs to be way harder. When you have people soloing vet dungeons like CoA and CoA2 you know it needs to be mad way harder. Also when you have people 4 manning a 12 man trial.
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Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Being able to stun mobs in PVE, especially when they are charging up one shot attacks was a huge thing for Templars...
This actually nerfs templars quite a bit in PVE and PVP, we already lost 2 stuns with a 3rd broken...
Also stunning an NPC meant less damage on you for those seconds...so now more damage will be hitting you and no more long range CC...
This change blows...especially since other classes have CC that can be spammed like crazy, Templars have hardly any CC as it is...
How is FEAR ok or TALONS ok as it is but spears gets nerfed? Really?Edited by Troneon on February 6, 2017 4:22PMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything9 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
As general rule, across the MMORPG genre only 10-15% of a game's total playerbase will regularly engage in PvP.
I would guess because of ESO's novel approach to PvP we could safely assume that it is closer to 25-30% in ESO.
Now that would make PvPers a minority, a significant minority to be sure, but a minority all the same.
In numbers both sides aren't equal, but they do deserve equal respect.
I just don't see that happening when 90% of the current class changes are about balancing PvP and take no account of the detrimental effect they will have on PvE.
All The Best
PvE is a joke right now, it needs to be way harder. When you have people soloing vet dungeons like CoA and CoA2 you know it needs to be mad way harder. Also when you have people 4 manning a 12 man trial.
You are to a degree correct.
However, you comment is in no way a rebuttal to the points I have raised in this thread.
That said almost every MMORPG I have played suffers from the "OMG some guys are soloing group content" issue.
That doesn't always mean that PvE needs to get made a lot harder.
It could just mean that those guys are good enough to do that and others are not.
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Every templar spam blazing spear in PVP and luminous Shards are only used in PVE,
This is only nerf to PVP Templars!
Rubbish.
I don't PvP and my PvE "farming build" uses Blazing Spear for additional DoT and CC on trash packs.
All The Best
It only stuns one target, you are missing big in PVP than PVE!
May be you are low CP and still Grinding CP levels with your templar!
Turn off manual ground targeting. I could have a third enemy down before the stun on the first fully wore off. Easy to sweep the whole enemy group while they are also stuck in the ground AoE. This absolutely makes thrash mob clean up less effective as a templar. The stun was my primary counter to hit-n-run players in PVP.
An all around nerf to many different Templar builds.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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I know right? It is one of the more moronic nerfs I have seen. Apparently templars should only spam BoL and do nothing else to contribute to a group.Being able to stun mobs in PVE, especially when they are charging up one shot attacks was a huge thing for Templars...
This actually nerfs templars quite a bit in PVE and PVP, we already lost 2 stuns with a 3rd broken...
Also stunning an NPC meant less damage on you for those seconds...so now more damage will be hitting you and no more long range CC...
This change blows...especially since other classes have CC that can be spammed like crazy, Templars have hardly any CC as it is...
How is FEAR ok or TALONS ok as it is but spears gets nerfed? Really?
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Fodore✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
As general rule, across the MMORPG genre only 10-15% of a game's total playerbase will regularly engage in PvP.
I would guess because of ESO's novel approach to PvP we could safely assume that it is closer to 25-30% in ESO.
Now that would make PvPers a minority, a significant minority to be sure, but a minority all the same.
In numbers both sides aren't equal, but they do deserve equal respect.
I just don't see that happening when 90% of the current class changes are about balancing PvP and take no account of the detrimental effect they will have on PvE.
All The Best
PvE is a joke right now, it needs to be way harder. When you have people soloing vet dungeons like CoA and CoA2 you know it needs to be mad way harder. Also when you have people 4 manning a 12 man trial.
You are to a degree correct.
However, you comment is in no way a rebuttal to the points I have raised in this thread.
That said almost every MMORPG I have played suffers from the "OMG some guys are soloing group content" issue.
That doesn't always mean that PvE needs to get made a lot harder.
It could just mean that those guys are good enough to do that and others are not.
All The Best
valid point, it just gets me triggered how people are saying these changes are detrimental to PvE when, yes it will have a change, but will you still be able to complete the dungeons/trials? Yes, of course you will be able to. So stop whining all you whiners and learn that PvE NEEDS to be much harder than already.
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nexxus_ESO✭✭✭PvE is a joke right now, it needs to be way harder. When you have people soloing vet dungeons like CoA and CoA2 you know it needs to be mad way harder. Also when you have people 4 manning a 12 man trial.
This is 100% opinionated nonsense.
The vast majority of PVE players are not, in fact, soloing group vet content. The vast majority of level capped players are not soloing group vet content. Not even the entirety of players who are more than capable of soloing this content, are actually doing so.
Just because a handful, or even a couple of dozen, players can solo 4-man vet level group content doesn't mean the entire game needs adjusting so that the overwhelming majority of players will find it so difficult as to be off-putting.
If the game is not difficult enough for you personally, go find another game that suits your needs.
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Its funny, PvErs talk about pvp like it doesnt matter in the big picture, like pvpers are worth less. Im a pvper and I happen to think both sides are equal.
As general rule, across the MMORPG genre only 10-15% of a game's total playerbase will regularly engage in PvP.
I would guess because of ESO's novel approach to PvP we could safely assume that it is closer to 25-30% in ESO.
Now that would make PvPers a minority, a significant minority to be sure, but a minority all the same.
In numbers both sides aren't equal, but they do deserve equal respect.
I just don't see that happening when 90% of the current class changes are about balancing PvP and take no account of the detrimental effect they will have on PvE.
All The Best
PvE is a joke right now, it needs to be way harder. When you have people soloing vet dungeons like CoA and CoA2 you know it needs to be mad way harder. Also when you have people 4 manning a 12 man trial.
You are to a degree correct.
However, you comment is in no way a rebuttal to the points I have raised in this thread.
That said almost every MMORPG I have played suffers from the "OMG some guys are soloing group content" issue.
That doesn't always mean that PvE needs to get made a lot harder.
It could just mean that those guys are good enough to do that and others are not.
All The Best
valid point, it just gets me triggered how people are saying these changes are detrimental to PvE when, yes it will have a change, but will you still be able to complete the dungeons/trials? Yes, of course you will be able to. So stop whining all you whiners and learn that PvE NEEDS to be much harder than already.
Trials and dungeons are group content. There are other classes with functional cc to pick up the slack. VMA is going to require a rebuild at the very least.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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