New Eso Plus Pricing
Cyrediath
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Hello.
I was wondering wouldnt be better if pricing slightly changes scross countries like other games do? Like for an american citizen i think 14.99 dollars is nothing but here i pay around 60 local currency which is around 1/20 of minimum salary while american or any other country paying 1/100 of minimum salary to get mountly sub. Also there are worse examples. I dont want to give name of the countries but you know 300 dollars is common minimum salary in western europe.
I just wish everyone would get eso plus with the *same amount of sacrifice* they made from their minimum salaries.
For an example i said 60 local currency is 15 dollars. In my country eso plus can be 40 local currency 10-11$ and it would be more appealing. Im not asking like 15 dollars in usa and 15 local currency in my country im just asking for reasonable price.
**EDIT** also crown prices becomes extremely high.roughly 55k crowns minimum salary. While in some countries 300$ is a lot money indeed but not like your all salary. So buying some crown pack may not hurt at all. For housing some people say crown exclusives for an example will be more than 15k crowns lile 20 or 25 it may be okay for some people but i can rent a house in here for a month for that ^^
What do you think?
Edited by Cyrediath on January 27, 2017 9:40AM I was wondering wouldnt be better if pricing slightly changes scross countries like other games do? Like for an american citizen i think 14.99 dollars is nothing but here i pay around 60 local currency which is around 1/20 of minimum salary while american or any other country paying 1/100 of minimum salary to get mountly sub. Also there are worse examples. I dont want to give name of the countries but you know 300 dollars is common minimum salary in western europe.
I just wish everyone would get eso plus with the *same amount of sacrifice* they made from their minimum salaries.
For an example i said 60 local currency is 15 dollars. In my country eso plus can be 40 local currency 10-11$ and it would be more appealing. Im not asking like 15 dollars in usa and 15 local currency in my country im just asking for reasonable price.
**EDIT** also crown prices becomes extremely high.roughly 55k crowns minimum salary. While in some countries 300$ is a lot money indeed but not like your all salary. So buying some crown pack may not hurt at all. For housing some people say crown exclusives for an example will be more than 15k crowns lile 20 or 25 it may be okay for some people but i can rent a house in here for a month for that ^^
What do you think?
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Wanderinlost✭✭✭Good luck with that, most people around here get upset to see anyone getting something for less than they pay even though it cost them nothing. Ultimately it will come down to whatever works best for the bottom line. No amount ethics or decency will get in the way of that.1 -
Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I was wondering wouldnt be better if pricing slightly changes scross countries like other games do?
In my experience most MMO subscription pricing doesn't change by country. ESO's does though.
Most MMO's set their subscription price in USD and in oz dollars that works out to about 20 a month. ESO's sub is set in oz dollars and at 15 a month.0 -
davey1107✭✭✭✭✭
✭It costs them the same to design the game for a player in New York as a player in Madrid. Everyone helps cover the same costs equally.1 -
iFruit✭
Indeed it does, but that can hardly be an argument as per target market approach. A good salesperson treats each customer individually, tends to his personal requirements and doesn't go around telling him "Ivan, Chen and José: pay me X much coz Joe already did"It costs them the same to design the game for a player in New York as a player in Madrid.
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Cyrediath✭✭✭I was wondering wouldnt be better if pricing slightly changes scross countries like other games do?
In my experience most MMO subscription pricing doesn't change by country. ESO's does though.
Most MMO's set their subscription price in USD and in oz dollars that works out to about 20 a month. ESO's sub is set in oz dollars and at 15 a month.
i dont know which games you played but most of games change their plan accordingly. especially if you login to steam and ask your friends in the other countries you will see (i guees *every* game) has different pricing over all countries.
i understand things like phones, laptops etc prices are pretty much same (again some differences) because they are giving you a real "thing" that you can hold with your hand or use. this is just programming and giving someone plus membership doesnt cost them a thing.
for an example lets talk about 2 countries. 1 has 1.300 dollars minimum salary per month and other has 300 dollars per month. in a game a person in first country can pay 30 dollars per month (this is just an example, spending varies) but for other person in other country its much harder for him to pay 30 dollars per month.
lets think about an imaginary country which has x currency that equals 100 dollars. and minimum salary is 1.000x in that country. a game devoloper in that counry can make 20x cost membership and its not much for people in that country but for an american its like 200 dollars per month.
I dont know how i can tell you this more clearly. just think about it.
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shhh... Don't make them look at the payment conversions. They haven't noticed Brexit happened yet and it's still a nice price in the UK.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."0 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭Shhh... Don't make them look at the payment conversions. They haven't noticed Brexit happened yet and it's still a nice price in the UK.
@Turelus dont act selfish yea its good price for uk but its high price for bulgaria ukraine turkey russia greece + all asian countries do i really need to give name of the countries?1 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shhh... Don't make them look at the payment conversions. They haven't noticed Brexit happened yet and it's still a nice price in the UK.
@Turelus dont act selfish yea its good price for uk but its high price for bulgaria ukraine turkey russia greece + all asian countries do i really need to give name of the countries?
It was a joke.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."2 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Shhh... Don't make them look at the payment conversions. They haven't noticed Brexit happened yet and it's still a nice price in the UK.
@Turelus dont act selfish yea its good price for uk but its high price for bulgaria ukraine turkey russia greece + all asian countries do i really need to give name of the countries?
He's right though. They don't typically set the price by the relative cost to consumers, but by the conversion rate. If they work out they need $15 per player for server upkeep and ongoing development of DLC, then that's what they'll charge. I doubt they're going to make many exceptions to that, and I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see UK pricing increase given the drastic drop in the pound's value last year.Edited by Darkstorne on February 2, 2017 1:36PM0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also Steam users can then use the good old work around of switching their country/currency to somewhere with better conversion rates and buy their Crowns.
This already happens with EVE Online and people buying PLEX with a really weak currency (forget which one) and UK/US players getting massive discounts because of that.
It's a horrible situation for countries with bad conversion rates but for ZOS it's better for their business to fix everything on a set number of USD as @Darkstorne said.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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iFruit✭
Yeah well some Russian players specifically changed region to UK through Support, they pay twice less for sub than in RUR thanks to that.Shhh... Don't make them look at the payment conversions. They haven't noticed Brexit happened yet and it's still a nice price in the UK.
I don't find that remotely appropriate or funny, and would prefer Sales&Marketing to do their job up to higher standard instead.
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✭I'm not saying ESO pricing shouldn't be considered or adjusted, but there's some issues with your posts:
1. Physical products do cost different amounts between countries. An iPad costs way more in France than the U.S. Forget average salaries, if I take $500 American I can buy an iPad here, in France id need another $200.
2. It doesn't make a huge difference whether they're offering a physical product or not. They'll work up what it costs them to bring that item to market, then set sales and profit goals, then try to reach them. In this regard, offering a subscription to plus isn't something that "costs them nothing." It's the way they've chosen to pay for the designers, developers, servers, etc. Giving a subscription for free has costs the same way that giving an iPad away for free would. They're still out money they used to invest in a product.
3. It's an American corporate game, so don't be shocked they're not into socialism. The argument that someone in Bulgaria should get a cheaper price than someone in the U.S. because salaries there are low is a bit beyond the typical thinking a company puts in. And we might then take that further - if that scenario is unfair to Bulgarians, why is it fair for someone in the U.S. who makes $20,000 a year to pay the same as someone who makes $200,000?
4. It's still free to play without plus once you've invested in the game disc, right? So this seems like a lot of whining over nothing. Zenimax could choose to pay for the game by charging everyone a mandatory monthly fee. But instead they choose to fund the game through optional subscriptions and crown store vanity items. So if you don't like the plus pricing, let some American somewhere spend $180 this year on plus, and you spend $0 and still get to play the same game.1 -
Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭i dont know which games you played but most of games change their plan accordingly. especially if you login to steam and ask your friends in the other countries you will see (i guees *every* game) has different pricing over all countries.
I don't believe you.
MMO subs are typically set in USD. I know this because I've been playing them for a very long time and ESO's is the only one I've played which isn't.
I know this isn't unique to where I live because I've read many forums discussions about how it isn't. Like about how ESO's regional pricing is unusual.
If you want me to believe otherwise, then you'll have to prove it. Show me all these other MMOs with regional pricing.0 -
iFruit✭
Ohhh, but it does. You don't have to invest into additional production lines, nor do you handcraft the regional priced crown pack or sub. Essentially, the extra costs to introducing it are negligible. Innit? SoooI'm not saying ESO pricing shouldn't be considered or adjusted, but there's some issues with your posts:
2. It doesn't make a huge difference whether they're offering a physical product or not.
is a load of poppycock. Either you have 6/10 people ready to pay 500RUR/month, or you mindlessly stick at 1/10 people with 900RUR/month, while the rest just go pay a company with a more ...err socialist approach. Everyone but Zeni has it right, can't even think of another company that's so much off the point.socialism.
Demand->supply, as any undergraduate might testify
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✭✭✭It costs them the same to design the game for a player in New York as a player in Madrid. Everyone helps cover the same costs equally.
Who is "everyone"? I only buy DLC. I cover the game waaaaaay less than people who sub.
And if ESO prices themselves out of markets, they lose revenue. That market doesn't cover the costs at all.0 -
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Why are you comparing two consumers in the same market with consumers in different markets? Of course software can have different prices in different countries. Happens all the time. That has nothing to do with socialism. It is the company trying to maximize profits. I just checked Office 365. It is like 33% cheaper in the Philippines than in the US.I'm not saying ESO pricing shouldn't be considered or adjusted, but there's some issues with your posts:
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3. It's an American corporate game, so don't be shocked they're not into socialism. The argument that someone in Bulgaria should get a cheaper price than someone in the U.S. because salaries there are low is a bit beyond the typical thinking a company puts in. And we might then take that further - if that scenario is unfair to Bulgarians, why is it fair for someone in the U.S. who makes $20,000 a year to pay the same as someone who makes $200,000?
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That isn't socialism. It is analyzing the market and figuring out how to move more units with good margins.
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Cyrediath✭✭✭You guyr really believe that zos needs money tp run the server and pay the bills huh. Do you think in gta 5 or battlefield 4 or 1 has much more less employees than zos? I mean the compainies. I bought gta 5 with pre order and i didnt pay a single penny since than yet still new dlcs coming. I bought battlefield 4 premium and also 1 all pre order and didnt pay a single cent for any new content or dlc or anything. How do they run their server and keep throwing new content? Gta 5 released 3 years ago i guess today still new dlcs are coming for free.
Crown store sales are pretty much enough for zos imo. They just want to earn as much as possible and squeeze everyone.
And for proof go to steam click mmorpg check dlcs and in game currencies you can buy. Change your country and do it again. It doesnt change the fact if you believe or not. The thing ive said all true. Its really bad behaviour to blame someone as 'liar'.
For an example my first mmorpg was knight online 1999 and todah this game is on steam and for 18 year there wasnt a single dlc/expension that cost money. Silk Road was my second mmorpg and same. You cant buy any expension pack or something all free. The things you buy from crown store like system is enough for them. Thrn i played tera online. Again no dlc or expension that costs anything but there is premium account which you can buy cheaper in your currency. Depends on your currency ofc.
After this again i expect comments like "but zos need money to run servers and pay salaries/bills so everyone should pay 20 dollars to them monthly" i dont know what to say to you.0 -
CloneTrooper699✭✭✭@Cyrediath If I was head of ZOS I'd be milking the money to, we all complain when where on the opposite end of it but lets not fool ourselves, we all want money, humans are greedy like that.I'm a goat1 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You guyr really believe that zos needs money tp run the server and pay the bills huh. Do you think in gta 5 or battlefield 4 or 1 has much more less employees than zos? I mean the compainies. I bought gta 5 with pre order and i didnt pay a single penny since than yet still new dlcs coming. I bought battlefield 4 premium and also 1 all pre order and didnt pay a single cent for any new content or dlc or anything. How do they run their server and keep throwing new content? Gta 5 released 3 years ago i guess today still new dlcs are coming for free.
Not even remotely comparable. GTAV's DLC is small scale, with a much smaller team. Most of Rockstar are working on new games, and the small team working on GTAV are presumably supported by the in-game currency sales or shark cards, or whatever those things are. As for Battlefield 4 and 1, you bought the Premium editions, so you DID pay for all that DLC but in advance
Again, it's a smaller team working on the DLC while the bulk of DICE move onto other new games. Season passes (that you purchased in a bundle) and individual DLC sales support that team.
ZOS have either most or all of their team working exclusively on ESO. That's a lot more mouths to feed. DLC sales aren't enough to support most MMOs, hence subscription services or the new popular alternative: in-game stores, being essential to generate enough income to pay the staff and still turn a profit.0 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »You guyr really believe that zos needs money tp run the server and pay the bills huh. Do you think in gta 5 or battlefield 4 or 1 has much more less employees than zos? I mean the compainies. I bought gta 5 with pre order and i didnt pay a single penny since than yet still new dlcs coming. I bought battlefield 4 premium and also 1 all pre order and didnt pay a single cent for any new content or dlc or anything. How do they run their server and keep throwing new content? Gta 5 released 3 years ago i guess today still new dlcs are coming for free.
Not even remotely comparable. GTAV's DLC is small scale, with a much smaller team. Most of Rockstar are working on new games, and the small team working on GTAV are presumably supported by the in-game currency sales or shark cards, or whatever those things are. As for Battlefield 4 and 1, you bought the Premium editions, so you DID pay for all that DLC but in advance Again, it's a smaller team working on the DLC while the bulk of DICE move onto other new games. Season passes (that you purchased in a bundle) and individual DLC sales support that team.
ZOS have either most or all of their team working exclusively on ESO. That's a lot more mouths to feed. DLC sales aren't enough to support most MMOs, hence subscription services or the new popular alternative: in-game stores, being essential to generate enough income to pay the staff and still turn a profit.
Again i told you 2 times before. Telling you again. There are tonnes of mmorpgs thaf supporting game only with store sales. Without selling extra content and dlc.
But only eso needs momey right? (And wow. Add other mmos if you know they are selling dlcs) Because they hired some scientists or what? This game is getting old and still arenas (which nearly all pvp people asking for) will come this june finally. All basic things came really late to game like duelling or costume dying etc) and yet people are talking like zos made 1.000 of people working 7/24 and zos needs money. Whenever i send ticket i always get automated response from a machine. I played wow for a long time and every single time someone answered me. Awesome support. Even ingame they send whispers and explains the situations detailed. If i give monthly monry to zos i expect the same.
Btw you can buy game time in game with game currency (gold) which isnt much expensive so regular players can buy and play the game for free.
But only zos giving us bad costumer service (which is really important imo) , unplayable pvp(i have all the newest cpu/gpu, fast internet still trueflame big fights are unplayable and low fps at some trials and big cities) etc and people are supporting it.
They said there will be no payment walls between eso plus members and new content. Never. Anyway we are going off topic. If you are not a plus member you cannot access dlc without buying thats alright but dont make new content expensive. Non eso plus members have to buy all dlcs and new contents to access full content. If you are eso plus member you still have to buy new contents. People are comparing eso with wow. Yea for pricing they are smilar. You pay monthly and yet still you have to pay for new content, but as service wow is x100 times better imo. Costumer service is awesome and servers are awesome new contents are really good and big etc.
The thing is i love eso and i want eso be like wow in this case. If i am paying 1/30 of minimum salary of my country monthly and also 1/5 of minimum salary for new content i expect good costumer service and good servers. The price is too high. You dont get it and maybe never will because maybe youve never been in another countries or different economical class.
Imo i like eso plus and autosubrcribing via steam but its reslly disturbing half of my guild cant afford eso plus and we cannot enjoy some parts of the game together and some of them stop playing for this. Because if you dont pay extra money other than cost of the game you wont be able to play in new dungeons trials imperial city with your friends also no access to new sets crafting some visual stuff etc. 2 of my friends stop playing eso this week. They both have 561 characters. The reason is they cant afford all new content and eso plus is too expensive for them to pay monthly. Make it 9.90 or make people pay with their own currency with slight differences. Like in dollars 15$, in uk 14$ in romania 13.5$ etc dont go below 10$ for an example. In this case much more people would subscribe and eso would earn more and people would be hapoy imo.0 -
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✭I can understand where you are coming from, but this is like saying that because someone makes $10/hr more than me I should have cheaper prices than them. It just isn't going to happen my friend.0
