Ideally the mechanics would reward group/build diversity. You need some healing or someone to soak up damage while dps kills an obelisk to gain points, etc. Something along those lines. I don't see plain old capture the flag or kill points being a good way to reward varied gameplay.

wolfydog wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if champion points don't matter here, or every is set to be equal in some way.

They say they want it to be fast like a first person shooter and in every FPS, every is basically the same ability wise, same health pool.

If they want the games to be fast and lots of killing, it cant be like pvp now with nearly unkillable tanks and stuff.

Guild wars 2 has a similar system where there is no gear but only jewlery that you get to choose from.

Given warden will be a ward class this was original cut from base game if I recall, so picture a super warden blocking things everywhere

With as much cheating and exploiting that is going on now will just carry over in the 4x4x4, ruining it for most people, I have no doubt, and I do not have enough faith in zos to put safeguards in place, to keep out pre-mades and other over powered grouping these things can ruin your fun faster than a lost internet connection. Maybe zos will surprise me,

Destro ult spam.

But meta game =/= exploit.

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HeroOfNone wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Hard to say until we actually know how it's gonna work

Sadly when it's here we won't be able to talk openly about exploits or meta gaming once it's here. This may even be s grey area right now. But just speculate what could go wrong.

We're not allowed to talk about meta?

Metagaming no, not really. Same way that ZOS shuts down any topics about cross faction scroll stealing or AP boosting. Since we're talk about something not implimented yet though, I feel we can be a bit more open about it now in hopes they will counter it.

In most games with ranking systems, the biggest exploits and issues involve some form of win-trading and rankings manipulation - with games that have smaller populations and participation more open to exploit.

As far as really silly class combinations and abilities that will play ridiculous in small format PVP and have some screaming 'exploit' - I'm sure we'll see plenty and have pages filled with QQ once this goes live.

Heres the biggest issue...most of the playerbase that was asking for new pvp modes after dueling wanted BATTLEGROUNDS....not arenas, this is arena combat. I want 10v10, 20v20. 4v4v4 is going to be an absolute *** for casuals. If they implement the leaderboards correctly based on winning, losing, it might accually be ok. For example if i am a dirty casual and lose as much as i win, i will only be paired with other players to combat that have similar win/lose ratios. The players who gather well coordinated groups will find themselves at the top of the list and only fight others at the top of the list, therefore the amount of troll builds will be higher on up to the top and the amount of skilled counterplay against the trolls will be at the top with them.

Most players (casuals) will not want to change their builds to be uber competative, so i dont see many troll builds being at the bottom. I mean you guys are complaining of magplars, and i understand the frustration in trying to fight them, but i see group composition being very fair towards the top of the leaderboard no matter the individual build type. Even four troll plars grouped together to fight a team of dps and heals can lose horribly due to the potential amount of single target burning four GOOD players can put down on a tank. Might be a long fight, but if your team knows what they are doing then those team members should not die and should be able to smackdown the trollplars

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-this will definitely have tiers so meta, exploits, elitist will all fall into place