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Magicka Roll Dodge
Frost staves will be allowing magicka-based blocking, so any chance in the future we see magicka-based roll dodges? Maybe some kind of teleport or something so that it makes sense (seeing as leaping and rolling actually would be physically taxing in real life). It could really open up some interesting builds if blocking, dodging, and breaking free could all be set to use magicka instead of stamina.
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Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.2 -
DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.8 -
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✭✭✭✭The most likely outcome is some teleport like a poor man's Streak that will be available via spellcrafting.1 -
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✭✭Magic can now block with magic while they roll dodge.
Basically the same thing.0 -
The most likely outcome is some teleport like a poor man's Streak that will be available via spellcrafting.
A poor man's streak is pretty much exactly what I'm proposing lol. Just something that is mechanically identical to dodge rolling, but that scales off of magicka instead of stamina.Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
You are correct, but the ability is cast with stamina nonetheless. I was just proving a point that the rules of roll dodge vs damage shields aren't so black and white.
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Emencie✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
I think the point is that stam builds can roll, block and shield just fine.
Magica cannot4 -
Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
I think the point is that stam builds can roll, block and shield just fine.
Magica cannot
Precisely. Magicka builds are at a disadvantage when CC'd because of the smaller stamina pool. Stam builds usually have plenty of stamina, so they can break free, roll dodge, and keep attacking. Magicka is just a bonus resource for stam builds, while stamina is still a necessity for magicka builds who don't want to be CC'd constantly, or who want to block, or who want to roll dodge.7 -
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✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »
Let's not bring up the utter trash SW was in PVP. Their shift was a worse (infinitely worse) version of mist form. Before I quit, my Swordmaster/Conqueror GF could straight up 1 rotate an SW through their shift.0331
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✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
I think the point is that stam builds can roll, block and shield just fine.
Magica cannot
Yet in most cases Magicka builds have much better survivability. That's part of the problem with Stamina build viability in trials.
The difference with blocking at the expense of Magicka is that blocking is connected to Tanking rather than just Stamina builds in general.0 -
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Let's not bring up the utter trash SW was in PVP. Their shift was a worse (infinitely worse) version of mist form. Before I quit, my Swordmaster/Conqueror GF could straight up 1 rotate an SW through their shift.
Fair enough. The short Streak-like animation is all I was getting at though.0 -
DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
I think the point is that stam builds can roll, block and shield just fine.
Magica cannot
Magic builds can streak, cloak, heal, and shield for much longer than most stam builds. Making magic and stam a mirror of each other by giving both the same options isn't the point of balancing.0 -
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✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
Would be great if they did, but IIRC only the sorc class shield scales off the offensive stat pool (max magicka), at least it used to be the case that blazing shield, igneous shield, healing ward and harness magicka all scaled off max health.
I believe they briefly had bone shield scale off stamina as well but it was reverted to health in a subsequent patch.
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✭✭In what world would be builds going 100% magicka while being completely freely available to perform every mean of defense while disregarding resources... interesting?0 -
sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »In what world would be builds going 100% magicka while being completely freely available to perform every mean of defense while disregarding resources... interesting?
In the same world that stamina builds can do all of that now1 -
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✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »In what world would be builds going 100% magicka while being completely freely available to perform every mean of defense while disregarding resources... interesting?
In the same world that stamina builds can do all of that now
Damn, where is that stam shield hidden. Where are the stam morphs for all the magicka only class abilities.
Tell me, if you could block and dodge with magicka, what would be stam used for on magicka character, except for never ending supply of break free resource.
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Where is stam streak, where is stam cloak. No I am not saying every class should have equal skills, but youre basically saying your class of choice should have everything <class you dont play> has.Edited by SodanTok on February 3, 2017 12:37AM0 -
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✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »In what world would be builds going 100% magicka while being completely freely available to perform every mean of defense while disregarding resources... interesting?
In the same world that stamina builds can do all of that now
Damn, where is that stam shield hidden. Where are the stam morphs for all the magicka only class abilities.
Tell me, if you could block and dodge with magicka, what would be stam used for on magicka character, except for never ending supply of break free resource.
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✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
Bone shield scales off max health. Most magic shield scale off max magicka.
Would be great if they did, but IIRC only the sorc class shield scales off the offensive stat pool (max magicka), at least it used to be the case that blazing shield, igneous shield, healing ward and harness magicka all scaled off max health.
I believe they briefly had bone shield scale off stamina as well but it was reverted to health in a subsequent patch.
It was strong enough it never made it off the test realm. It was to strong in pvp with evasion. So i imgine it is pvp keeping this from happening.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on February 3, 2017 4:56AM0 -
sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »In what world would be builds going 100% magicka while being completely freely available to perform every mean of defense while disregarding resources... interesting?
In the same world that stamina builds can do all of that now
Damn, where is that stam shield hidden. Where are the stam morphs for all the magicka only class abilities.
Tell me, if you could block and dodge with magicka, what would be stam used for on magicka character, except for never ending supply of break free resource.
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Where is stam streak, where is stam cloak. No I am not saying every class should have equal skills, but youre basically saying your class of choice should have everything <class you dont play> has.
You're missing my point. I don't think there should be a magicka and stamina morph of every ability ever, I'm saying that stamina builds can use magicka abilities as essentially bonus abilities, as magicka can be completely ignored by a stamina class. Magicka builds cannot avoid using stamina in the way that stamina builds can avoid using magicka. Stam builds can slot zero magicka abilities, use zero magicka, and play effectively. Magicka builds have no choice but to use stamina when CC'd, when blocking an attack (except with a frost staff in the next update), or when wanting to dodge roll. I just feel like the game would benefit (and player creativity would flourish) if there was a magicka alternative to roll dodging.4 -
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I'm ok with it as long as you make shields major and minor so they can no longer stack or make them scale off of max health.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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I'm ok with it as long as you make shields major and minor so they can no longer stack or make them scale off of max health.
I would be very ok with that. I would hope that some shields retain their unique traits, such as harness magicka's ability to return magicka to the caster when hit with an attack, but shield stacking is not something I would miss.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They reverted the bone shield scaling off stamina back into health for a reason, same reason magika builds shouldnt dodgeroll with magicka.
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✭✭✭✭They reverted the bone shield scaling off stamina back into health for a reason, same reason magika builds shouldnt dodgeroll with magicka.
Tbh I don't mind if Bone shield would become stamina based again. Could be fun. As side change it will make nirn weapon and Shattering Blows CP more viable.Edited by Cinbri on February 3, 2017 6:57AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Agree.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Stamina have dodge roll, magika have shields thats how it works
Bone shield is stamina, so there's an exception.
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Surely you jest.
Magika shield shields for most of a magika's health pool since it scales off their max magika. Bone shield scales off max health and only shields for 30% of max health.
Harness Magika 14k+ easily on a dps with 20k health. Bone Shield 6k on a dps with the same shield.0
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