New Trial - DPS Race?

sickboy2808 · February 2017

I have just pre ordered Morrowind and im sure like others, i cant wait to go exploring and questing in the new zone. Not only that, ZOS are bringing us another Trial which i really hope is not going to be a pure dps race. I still have not been able to complete any Vet Trial in this game because as an older player my reactions and thinking are alot slower these days and i also cant smash my keyboard buttons as fast as other players in this game. I just really hope this new trial wont be all about high dps and instead some sort of other interesting tactics or mechanics.

KingYogi415 · February 2017

There are 3 vet trials for you to try, and all the normal ones.

If you haven't even stepped foot in Vhr Vaa or Vso why would you even be interested in the newest one?

Cheers!

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2017

Do you even read what OP posted?

But yes OP, I hope so as well.

soll · February 2017

new trial going to be (most likely) new end game challenge to change vMoL, and there is no way or reason why it shouldn't demand DPS race.

But yes, I also tired of DPS race everywhere. And to improve my damage even more (for vet trials, for example) now I need to farm staves, which I'll never ever see.

Grunim · February 2017

sickboy2808 wrote: »

I have just pre ordered Morrowind and im sure like others, i cant wait to go exploring and questing in the new zone. Not only that, ZOS are bringing us another Trial which i really hope is not going to be a pure dps race. I still have not been able to complete any Vet Trial in this game because as an older player my reactions and thinking are alot slower these days and i also cant smash my keyboard buttons as fast as other players in this game. I just really hope this new trial wont be all about high dps and instead some sort of other interesting tactics or mechanics.

I expect to ignore any DPS race content in Morrowind and upcoming DLCs. You are not alone by any means, OP.

Izaki · February 2017

I hope and presume its going to be harder than Maw of Lorkhaj or at least at the same level of difficulty. We need DPS checks whether people like it or not, because it does determine player skill to a certain extent. We also need some more team coordination mechanics like the Lunar Phase on Rakkhat or the entire Twins fight, but we shouldn't be able to burn and skip these mechanics. And we need some creativity, which I'm sure we will get, in terms of positionning, cause the whole "stack and burn" on every boss is getting old...

idk · February 2017

The shorter the fight the less mechanics a group has to deal with which means the higher a groups dps is the easier the fight is.

Fortunately Zos doesn't exactly punish players with a full blown enrage phase because dps is low, well, except one fight.

Additionally, Zos has clearly moved towards having mechanics that must be managed vs super high dps. vMoL and the 2 Hist dungeons are more about mechanics.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The shorter the fight the less mechanics a group has to deal with which means the higher a groups dps is the easier the fight is.

Fortunately Zos doesn't exactly punish players with a full blown enrage phase because dps is low, well, except one fight.

Additionally, Zos has clearly moved towards having mechanics that must be managed vs super high dps. vMoL and the 2 Hist dungeons are more about mechanics.

wasn't there a whole "angry mob campaign" to get people banned for by-passing/avoiding mechanics (yes it was a cheat), but the point being that if it is not OK to by-pass mechanics with a cheat then it should also not be allowed to by-pass mechanics through high DPS

there needs to be mechanics in place that enforce real group play with build variety...tanking, healing, supporting, damage dealing

MLGProPlayer · February 2017

If you want "some sort of other interesting tactics or mechanics" then dungeons are for you.

Trials are always going to be a DPS zerg just due to their nature. They're a large, 12-man activity where your objective is to kill a giant, largely stationary boss. It's always going to be more efficient to bunch up and spam abilities than it is to be moving around. Your role in a trial is to be a cog in a well-oiled machine. It's very specialized. Dungeons are more dynamic due to the smaller team sizes.

Danksta · February 2017

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The shorter the fight the less mechanics a group has to deal with which means the higher a groups dps is the easier the fight is.

Fortunately Zos doesn't exactly punish players with a full blown enrage phase because dps is low, well, except one fight.

Additionally, Zos has clearly moved towards having mechanics that must be managed vs super high dps. vMoL and the 2 Hist dungeons are more about mechanics.

wasn't there a whole "angry mob campaign" to get people banned for by-passing/avoiding mechanics (yes it was a cheat), but the point being that if it is not OK to by-pass mechanics with a cheat then it should also not be allowed to by-pass mechanics through high DPS

there needs to be mechanics in place that enforce real group play with build variety...tanking, healing, supporting, damage dealing

Are you suggesting that high DPS should be a bannable offense?? I just got to make sure because you're clearly comparing a blatant cheat to high DPS, which is absurd.

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2017

Well I wouldn't call trials a dps race. Sure, there are some bosses like aa 3rd boss or manti downstairs that are just dps races, but I'd guess 95% of the time when a group dies to a boss it's not just a lack of dps but either a lack of propper positioning / movement or the raidleader choosing a strategy that isn't optimal for his group setup.

However I'd like to see a trial where you can't just outdps mechanics and instead have mechanics that include traps or require some acrobatic. Maybe some advanced form of the aa horse jump tactic.

Eleusian · February 2017

sickboy2808 wrote: »

I have just pre ordered Morrowind and im sure like others, i cant wait to go exploring and questing in the new zone. Not only that, ZOS are bringing us another Trial which i really hope is not going to be a pure dps race. I still have not been able to complete any Vet Trial in this game because as an older player my reactions and thinking are alot slower these days and i also cant smash my keyboard buttons as fast as other players in this game. I just really hope this new trial wont be all about high dps and instead some sort of other interesting tactics or mechanics.

I'm not sure what you consider older (I'm 40 ). I really don't think ZOS intends for 99.9% of the community to be able to finish some of these end game trials. They are catered to the hard core and elite only.
I personally have chronic hand pain and am looking at hanging it up all together. End game trials take a lot of time and effort and just are not designed for all of us. Which is sad cause many of us older folks have the most discretionary income.
Make a lot of in game gold and pay the kids for a free ride , it seems to be the going thing these days.

xblackroxe · February 2017

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Well I wouldn't call trials a dps race. Sure, there are some bosses like aa 3rd boss or manti downstairs that are just dps races, but I'd guess 95% of the time when a group dies to a boss it's not just a lack of dps but either a lack of propper positioning / movement or the raidleader choosing a strategy that isn't optimal for his group setup.

However I'd like to see a trial where you can't just outdps mechanics and instead have mechanics that include traps or require some acrobatic. Maybe some advanced form of the aa horse jump tactic.

NOOOOOOO!

How can you suggest more AA horsejumps

That was the worst.

LordGavus · February 2017

Well some dps races are needed, but I agree, mechanics are better. Looking at the last few dungeons released I'd say the aim is for better mechanics. Hopefully features can be added to prevent high dps from simply bypassing them though.

KingYogi415 · February 2017

Don't most PC players just macro their rotations anyways?

Just learn where to stand and how to put out 30k dps with 3 button presses.

Have a magsorc or magplar with meteor and fully geared/golded out ready to go.

Cheers!

Runs · February 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Don't most PC players just macro their rotations anyways?

Just learn where to stand and how to put out 30k dps with 3 button presses.

Have a magsorc or magplar with meteor and fully geared/golded out ready to go.

Cheers!

Do most console users do that?

modaretto · February 2017

I agree. Let's kill bosses by throwing flowers at them from now on. It's gonna be new meta. Alchemy crafters it's an expansion to triumph!

Wifeaggro13 · February 2017

sickboy2808 wrote: »

I have just pre ordered Morrowind and im sure like others, i cant wait to go exploring and questing in the new zone. Not only that, ZOS are bringing us another Trial which i really hope is not going to be a pure dps race. I still have not been able to complete any Vet Trial in this game because as an older player my reactions and thinking are alot slower these days and i also cant smash my keyboard buttons as fast as other players in this game. I just really hope this new trial wont be all about high dps and instead some sort of other interesting tactics or mechanics.

Yes it's unfortunate. We need more mechanics that require tanking skill utility and healing . Mostly anything other then dps is just side activity you did while dpsing.

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OrphanHelgen · February 2017

High dps are easier then tactics. If you are old and slow, pulling high diips should be easier then cleanse yourself in time, colorswap etc.
What you are actually saying is that you are too old and slow to play computer games but still want to play hardest contents.

I want to play football too btw, but only on the best teams. I am in a wheelchair btw.
See my point? Sorry for straight out.

KingYogi415 · February 2017

@Runs

Not possible to macros console...

How many times have have you seen pc people post those macro mouses recommending them?

It's seems to be the meta.

Cheers!

Runs · February 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@Runs

Not possible to macros console...

How many times have have you seen pc people post those macro mouses recommending them?

It's seems to be the meta.

Cheers!

-edit- If I have nothing nice to say, I probably shouldn't... Just google macro the console of your choice and controller... These have existed the whole time ESO has been on console

Rjizzle09 · February 2017

Everytine i read one of these threads all i hear is i cant beat this so i want something easier to beat. In my guild we have this like 50 year old beast healer him being older has nothing to do with him beating vmol hardmode he does exceptionally well. There are normal trials for people who cant do the vet ones so just do those causs saying we shouldnt be able to out dps mechanics is the dame as saying hey you have more experience than me so you shoukdnt be able to do it better which doesnt make any sense anyways

Syrani · February 2017

Even if the new trial is mechanics heavy (which hopefully it will be), the top trial groups are STILL going to require the highest DPS. There is not much of a way around this, and I think it's always going to be the case. Why? Because even with a lot of mechanics, high DPS is still highly desirable because it still allows you to complete it faster, and sometimes can allow you to skip mechanics, or at least make certain mechanics much easier to handle.

WoW raids are a lot more mechanics intensive - and I mean a lot - and the top guilds there expect their members to get top parses. There is even a website where people upload their parses for comparison and also for self/team improvement:

http://worldoflogs.com/ranking/eu-us/the-nighthold/dps/ (an example page) Edited for typo

I would imagine most of the WoW top guilds require their members to post parses to this site so they can track individual and group performance. At least this doesn't exist for ESO (yet).

cpuScientist · February 2017

The vet hardmode versions of these trials are the only thing catered to the hardcore crowd. Can they have nothing? For them every single thing else is easy. Everything that used to be challenging has been turned pure easy mode. Why can they not enjoy themselves in the game aswell? There is even a normal version of those trials. So that others can have fun with and clear. Geeeez Louise.

timidobserver · February 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

The vet hardmode versions of these trials are the only thing catered to the hardcore crowd. Can they have nothing? For them every single thing else is easy. Everything that used to be challenging has been turned pure easy mode. Why can they not enjoy themselves in the game aswell? There is even a normal version of those trials. So that others can have fun with and clear. Geeeez Louise.

Yup to top it off, it's easier to farm trial gear in normal mode aside from the yellow jewelry.

disintegr8 · February 2017

I would like all dungeons and trials changed so that they are not simply a DPS race.

I tend to enjoy dungeons more when my friend and I two man them, even some vet dungeons, as we have to work together and look out for each other. You take a hard core group of 4 people into a vet dungeon and everything is over so quick that most mechanics can simply be ignored.

Whenever my DPS characters go into a vet dungeon in group finder I am sure some of those hard core players feel they are carrying me because I don't do 30-40k damage and can self sustain/heal. But I have got through them without their help before and will do so again.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

Guessing completely

It's gonna be an endurance trial cause we're seemingly are getting another class who can heal, do ranged dps and ranged tank

Guessing tho

cpuScientist · February 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

I would like all dungeons and trials changed so that they are not simply a DPS race.

I tend to enjoy dungeons more when my friend and I two man them, even some vet dungeons, as we have to work together and look out for each other. You take a hard core group of 4 people into a vet dungeon and everything is over so quick that most mechanics can simply be ignored.

Whenever my DPS characters go into a vet dungeon in group finder I am sure some of those hard core players feel they are carrying me because I don't do 30-40k damage and can self sustain/heal. But I have got through them without their help before and will do so again.

So what's the problem. If it's funner for you to solo or duo with your buddy go ahead and do so. No one is stopping you. Heck I have fun soloing dungeons myself. It's a heck lot of fun. And I also have fun going into dungeons and having a DPS race with my pals, see who's epeen is bigger lol. (Usually mine

)

What would be nice though are in addition to trials we get more arena's. DSA is amazing because it's 4 man something you can learn mechanics too and progress with your pals. We need more 4 man and even 2 man arenas.

Savos_Saren · February 2017

Honest answer:

I actually run in PVP and PVE- but I'm not "elite" at either. I can tank any vet dungeon and normal trial. That being said- I don't want to run vet trials. They require more specific builds (which I don't like on my character), very coordinated team effort of dedicated players (I'd rather wrangle twelve cats in a normal trial), and patience (which I have none of).

I'll happily run normal trials and only receive the epic (purple) version of jewelry rather than a legendary (gold) piece. And, let's face it, the difference in the purple and gold jewelry is negligible.

Running vet trials is for bragging rights (which I don't care about), skins (my DK is already too sexy), and self-gratification. More power to the dedicated men and women who like that stuff! But I still get the same amount of enjoyment out of regular trials. Personally, stressing out over the maximum DPS or perfect build for a vet trial in a video game that I play to de-stress after a long day of work isn't worth my time.

So, don't worry about it- have fun and relax. You can always upgrade normal trial armor/gear to legendary and I wouldn't shed a tear about purple vs gold jewelry drops. And if you're interested in the skins that drop in trials- they don't really mean that much these days since cheaters have found ways to snag a skin with almost no effort. (Looking at you, vMoL)

magnusthorek · February 2017

It would indeed be very nice to actually have fun doing a trial. All of them so far are too stressful on veteran and/or HM because there are too much happening at same time preventing you to, I don't know, appreciate The Mage's robes or take a closer look to Rakkhat's room.

I know it's silly but part of the magnificent world of TES are the details.

cpuScientist · February 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

It would indeed be very nice to actually have fun doing a trial. All of them so far are too stressful on veteran and/or HM because there are too much happening at same time preventing you to, I don't know, appreciate The Mage's robes or take a closer look to Rakkhat's room.

I know it's silly but part of the magnificent world of TES are the details.

Great news the normal ones are just for you!