raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

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You want me to stop demonizing the raid community? Why don't the raiding community start acting like humans and and offer players like me to have the chance to experience vMOL with other experienced players? Do your community a service by giving other players a chance, and not force them to fork over 3 or 4 million gold for a completion of the trial. Enough of this "Oh you need high CORE dps to do vMOL trials with us"

In other words you want to get carried because you thought legendary gear will give you dps but it didn't so instead of thinking where the problem is you rather "demonize" people who were stuck trying to complete VMOL in the beginning for 3 months and sitting there like mushrooms in the forest, wiping for hours everyday.

Your entitlement is so legit you should get a dromathra destroyer as well just for logging in to the game.

Attackopsn wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

@Attackopsn
Because I deleted you off PSN and for good reason, turn out you were a two faced scoundrel who only use people for your own benefit and then threw them away when not needed. You got mad and started spreading every bit of false negative things about me to settle it your way, people told me what you did. Treated others poorly who weren't in your little group of elitist and threw a temper tantrum when you didn't get your way. Still see that you play 24/7 wasting your young pathetic life not going to school or no future of getting a career. And acting above others which doesn't sit tight with anyone in the real world.

In the end I simply was trying to enjoy the game and had my fun on PC, however, the same can not be said on console. There is simply too many childish people on console unfortunately.

EDIT: Oh, and nice nonsensical sentence, seem like a lack of a proper education.

Lol I definitely didn't have to say anything about you, you acting like a narcissist in any trials group you joined and blaming others for all of your mistakes was what got you where you are now. Sucks to say without disclosing too much about my life that I am happily going to school, and enjoying the heavy salt from your posts. Since we are taking the blunt approach, for anyone who may be reading this, imagine that loud obnoxious *** in any run screaming at others at every turn when he's the one taking crystal fragments out of his rotation and wiping the team to mechanics. Sadly the real reason you didn't stay on PC is they wouldn't have fallen for your ***, since it's pretty easy to see that the loud angry Argonian Magicka Sorcerer pretending to be the top dps and most knowledgeable god sent player to exist is a little fishy. Thanks for the late night laughs though xD.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

Yup, the endgame PvE community is absolutely terrible and extremely elitist on PS4 NA. And this is coming from a top endgame PvEer from PC NA who was apart of all the #1 PvE guilds at the beginning of PC release before Champion Points. Went to console because of a few good friends and because all the guilds I were in became inactive after champion points were release.

All my friends on console ended up quitting the game except one, and I was able to start up a solid endgame guild. But as I said I was a PC transfer and people hated me because of what I did in Cyrodil and other very silly rumors. And I have to put up with so much hate mail from PvEers and PvPers alike, its ridiculous and got really old. Ended up quitting because the community was shutting me out of endgame group content because of a few jerks who spread false rumors about me. On PC I was really well respected and did thousand of trials run and progression to help other groups out, but on console can't even get a trial invite because people believe what a few say about me within there circle of elitism. Also my guild got world first completion SO, HM Hel ra, AA, and Hel ra, even won a PvE tournament hosted by Zenimax on PC. Was in Entropy Rising, Last Prodigies, Purple, and etc. Had a lot of fun running trials on PC, but on console just miserably everywhere with anyone really.

So it's a major problem on console or maybe just PS4 in general, never had any problems on PC with endgame at all. It just people who aren't even good at all most of the time who simply get in because they kiss ass so much. Wish I never transfer over to Console because of a few friends that ended up quitting anyway. Biggest mistake ever in gaming that I have done.

Forgets to mention how above person treated people to be treated in listed ways

Lists ways he was treated and has no explanation as to why he was treated in these ways because if said explanation was given there would be less sympathy to above essay

How you received an agree, I have no idea. I can't even decipher what it is you're talking about. Above person treated people to be treated in listed ways? What? Dude... I hate to be "that guy", but grammar and punctuation are your friend. And I make NUMEROUS grammatical errors on a regular basis, but damn. That post had me all messed up.

Are we seriously at a point on the forums where we handout agrees and awesomes to things that don't even make sense, and are half-written? Really guys? I understand a handful or so of you dislike me, and will go against whatever I post regardless of its basis. But damn.

I was speaking very directly to him, and was somewhat trying to politely remind him why he was removed for being a complete *** to multiple communities, wasn't really worried about being articulate in the process. Titansbane is basically the guy who cries on the big rock in Rawlkha all day. I see why you like him so much, he cries in Rawlkha about nothing all day and you cry on the forums about nothing all day xD.

Lol!!

must be that time of night again

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@willlienellson wrote: »

This is what happens when you give the most powerful gear as a reward for the most challenging content. Players could ALREADY BEAT the hardest content before they got the best gear. Now with the best gear they clamor for harder content. It's a negative feedback loop. They demand harder content from Zos and demand better gear as a reward. Round and round we go.

And when Zos doesn't give them harder content, or until they do, they start demanding 10 minute runs. 8 minute runs. 5 minute runs!

Hurry Hurry Hurry Better Better Go Go Rahhh Rahhh!

Successful games reward top tier content with visual rewards or utility rewards, not better gear that just makes the elite demand a new tier of difficult content.

What exactly can you get from vMoL that isnt obtainable in nMoL?
Golden jewelry is not THAT much more powerful than blue/purple.
Drop rate isnt any better on vet... Ive beaten vMoL last June (or was it May?), was doing it quite often since then and still dont have sharpened Moondancer destro of any kind or any sword.

Skin & jewelry.

Skin doesnt have stats and yellow jewelry is nice to have but its not a gamechanger...

It was asked what you get. That's what you get. And when you are trying to push DPS to tip top, then yes you want gold jewelry. If you don't want it that's fine. But that's what you get there. Question answered.

cpuScientist wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@willlienellson wrote: »

This is what happens when you give the most powerful gear as a reward for the most challenging content. Players could ALREADY BEAT the hardest content before they got the best gear. Now with the best gear they clamor for harder content. It's a negative feedback loop. They demand harder content from Zos and demand better gear as a reward. Round and round we go.

And when Zos doesn't give them harder content, or until they do, they start demanding 10 minute runs. 8 minute runs. 5 minute runs!

Hurry Hurry Hurry Better Better Go Go Rahhh Rahhh!

Successful games reward top tier content with visual rewards or utility rewards, not better gear that just makes the elite demand a new tier of difficult content.

What exactly can you get from vMoL that isnt obtainable in nMoL?
Golden jewelry is not THAT much more powerful than blue/purple.
Drop rate isnt any better on vet... Ive beaten vMoL last June (or was it May?), was doing it quite often since then and still dont have sharpened Moondancer destro of any kind or any sword.

Skin & jewelry.

Skin doesnt have stats and yellow jewelry is nice to have but its not a gamechanger...

It was asked what you get. That's what you get. And when you are trying to push DPS to tip top, then yes you want gold jewelry. If you don't want it that's fine. But that's what you get there. Question answered.

Yeah, but I was replying to your post about power gap that makes trial completion too hard if you dont have vet trial gear. I said, that those things are nice to have but in the end they dont matter that much.
Even some posts in this thread prove that having golden jewelry doesnt make you op.

The fact that you post soon after I posted makes me chuckle. Still stalking the forums I see lol!

@MokiDono What are you even talking about? Its not about whether you're good or not or even having the time to commit to something that takes months to achieved. Its simply how you treat another individual and getting hostility is not enjoyable or something to guff at.

On PC I was able to accomplish all endgame task and be at the top of the leader boards and it was very competitive and fun. Helping other guilds that were running progression runs is something that I enjoy often. Here, its just the same and only guild that are at the top, or running. No competition. And charge players for ridiculous amount of gold instead of a helping hand to others with progression runs. Oh, and just the sheer amount of stupidity for a 99% causal game.

UnyieldingFlame wrote: »

@MokiDono What are you even talking about? Its not about whether you're good or not or even having the time to commit to something that takes months to achieved. Its simply how you treat another individual and getting hostility is not enjoyable or something to guff at.

On PC I was able to accomplish all endgame task and be at the top of the leader boards and it was very competitive and fun. Helping other guilds that were running progression runs is something that I enjoy often. Here, its just the same and only guild that are at the top, or running. No competition. And charge players for ridiculous amount of gold instead of a helping hand to others with progression runs. Oh, and just the sheer amount of stupidity for a 99% causal game.

I dont know about the situation in console community, but how exactly a single guild could usurp vMoL? If there's no other guilds, but a lot of people want to finish vMoL, they can just cooperate instead of paying.
vMoL was released a while ago, all tactics/builds/etc are available for everyone for free. You just need to put some effort in it, and skin and title will be yours. Its not like that one "elitist" guild can stop you.

For most of the players, ESO is their first MMO. So they have no real grasp on how competitive, or progressive endgame works. If you come from an other MMO, you already know what you are looking for. Also, the lack of competitive endgame is Zenimaxes fault as well. This game is engineered in a way that it causes players to burn out, really fast. Leaderboard is a fun addition, and a step towards proper endgame, but without any lockout or limitations, you just grind and grind away, until you had enough. There are other ways to spread out content and keep them relevant, healthier solutions. The lack of gear progression is also a contributing factor. Also, the MMORPG as a genre is evolving (more like dissolving) and they set their focus on the single player, individual user focused content, simply because it earns more money, and requires less effort to balance. So they stopped promoting the whole group based end game approach of the games. Sure, a new trial here and there spices things up, but it's not gonna be enough in the grand scheme of things. You have to keep the flames going, when there are no major release plans in the near future.

Don't get me wrong, ESO has a lot of good, unique ideas in it's design, but there are fields where other MMO's were smarter. Unfortunately, those fields are needed to create a truly satisfying and engaging endgame. Ofcourse, you can still do progression and have fun while doing it, but it can get stale, especially during the dry seasons, where there are no releases. But, we also have to understand that progression raiders are a small, tiny fraction of the player base, so expecting full catering always will be silly. Developers know, that balancing, creating challenging content requires more money that it earns for them, so there you go. The sad truth is that we will never gonna see an MMO, which a perfect hybrid of every fields.

ESO has the potential to become a perfect MMO. Introduce gear progression, and a lockout system, and there you go. The dream MMO.

So i know it sounds cliché, but to be honest... it was not vMoL, it was ZoS who ruined your pve scene. It's like... sure, people are eating each other in a post apocalyptic world, but... they didn't drop the nukes Their action forced you into this situation. But, they are working hard, so... is that enough!?

It's a wierd game for sure. It turned me into a filthy casual, but on the other hand, i met and i play with players who would do extremely well in other games, while being part of the best progression guild groups there.
I never understood decisions like removing the fix number of revives from triels. Having a fix number of souls was a good mechanic. Still, quiet lenient, but it was a good step in the progression mentality direction. But they removed it, and people got lazy... sad