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Is a subscription still worth the benefits?
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OOJIMMY✭✭✭No you could just buy all the dlc for 30 dollars so all y'all saying it's worth it for dlc access are out of your mind. 30 for access for ever or 15 a month or you don't get to play it.
The only real benefit is the crafters bag because it does make managing space easy.
To me it's not worth but others could justify why it is and I don't think that's a problem.1 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyNot for me. If i feel the need to get future dlcs ill buy the crowns on sale and use them. As many sales as they have had lately I already feel like 1500 crowns for 15 bucks of sub is low. But buying crowns on sales you can buy all the dlc for much less then subbing all year. And even more so when you consider there will only be 3 a year to buy and not 4. And i wont have to get the ones i dont want. Woo! a dlc with 2 dungeons? No thanks.
The only reason i see anyone has to sub is the crafting bag. And that is personal pref. For me no. But for others yes. At worst i figure maybe once or twice a year ill sub for a month and deposit all my stuff.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on February 1, 2017 7:33PM6 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.I get a crafting bag, access to all DLC content which is cheaper to buy but I don't have to; XP gains, and Crowns worth quite a bit of the subscription cost. Yes. I find it worth it.1 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.Ourorboros wrote: »zos has now introduced 'chapters' that will be released annually and are not included with a subscription. It's unclear to me what other content I gain access to since virtually everything in the past year labeled as an update has been available to all players, not just those who sub or pay for content. The experience gain does not help me, since I'm 200+ CP over cap. The crowns are nice, but I rarely see anything of value in the crown store, and I can't use them for 'chapters'. Essentially, the only real value of a sub is the craft bag. This one benefit is truly awesome. but is it worth it with the other benefits, now that it is clear a sub no longer includes access to all content? It seems to me a sub is now essentially rented storage space.
The XP bonus is certainly helpful when leveling a new character.0 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buySerious crafting is not possible without crafting bag.
IIRC you can sub and dump for the month. Unsub and collect mats for months, then resub later and dump again. There is no need to pay a monthly fee for a subscription as you can still access the crafting bag when unsubbed, you just can't deposit items.4 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyWhenever ZOS needs some extra money, now they can just take 2 DLCs, mash them together, and call it an "expansion" and sell it outside of the subscription system.
It was foolish of us to ever believe ZOS could keep any of it's promises. They continue to screw over the most loyal of their fanbase.7 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.There are still 3 dlcs a year (read the road ahead) with craft bag, costume dying, and 1500 crowns a month. Just because they decided to exchange 1 dlc for expansion a year doesn't mean somehow everything is worthlessXbox NA - Oompa
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Flintgold✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyNope. Sub led people to believe that they would have access to any content added to the game for that 15 a month they paid every month even when playing the same content over & over again in between releases. The crafting bag made subing a must for a lot of people but when you take the cost of sub and now the additional cost of "chapters", it's better to spend that money buying another game & getting a lot more play time for your money.
Game is going the way of greed. First with adding crown crates, then crown only motifs and now chapters. Be ready for instant 9 trait & max level tokens to start showing up in the crown store.3 -
[Deleted User]Soul ShrivenNo, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyThe user and all related content has been deleted.0
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyBut so long as you can use gift cards and credits to buy sub time from retailers, it doesn't have to cost you anything out of pocket, either. Morrowind doesn't even have to cost you anything out of pocket if you're an astute consumer.
If you're using 'free' money, it has its perks. And it definitely feels like a better value than debiting your bank account.Edited by Acrolas on February 1, 2017 7:43PMsigning off0 -
AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.Serious crafting is not possible without crafting bag.
^ This. ^
Crafting is a large part of my enjoyment of the game.RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.3 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.Crafting bag alone = yes
Access to IC/Wrothgar/Gold Coast/Hews Bane = Yes
1500 Crowns, if you buy 1500 crowns a month, then yes (because of all the other perks as a bonus) otherwise, good bonus on top of above perks
Increased XP, Increased Gold gain = bonus
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SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's worth it for me, because I definitely use the crowns you get with the subscription. Also, my character is not super-high level yet, so the 10% extra experience and gold is useful to me. Plus, crafting bag.
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scorpiodog✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buySerious crafting is not possible without crafting bag.
Agreed, but crafting is less and less valuable with every patch - or with the housing expansion the curve will just be too steep and only like .001% of players will be able to make furniture and who knows how long it will take the that .001%
So yeah, if you are a semi-pro crafter and spend 1 hour a day playing the crafting game, then yes ESO + is necessary.
But for a casual or non-crafting play style it's a waste of money.
As for the money - I paid about $80 for 6 months and got about 9,000 crowns
Prior to DB I would only buy crowns on sale and $80 would get me twice as much or more.
Oh, but there is the costume dye, lmao.
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Vyle_Byte✭✭✭✭✭
✭Undecided.
This coming from someone who has subbed since launch, from someone is on-board with the "Chapters". Yesterday, the announced this thing and I said, YES, I will buy this thing, I like it. I'm still on board with that. The problem is.. in my mind I thought they would still make this right. In the sense of 'we will offer you 4 dlcs that you will have access to if you subscribe". Now, i concluded, this chapter thing, its not part of the 4 dlc's. This is where the problem comes in, today, as I read this year ahead and find that they have now completely amended their promise.
Difference is, yesterday, I still had hope, that they would stand up to their promise. Today, today is a little different. Today they say OH wait.. btw we gonna do this every year and no longer will you get 4 dlcs per year now you get 2. I say 2 bc honestly, look at homestead, that is a base game patch. There is nothing in homestead that is dlc, so jipped there. Then there is this chapter, which is separate from the rest, another dlc with a couple dungeons (meh) and one content dlc at the end of the year which, at this point, who knows if will actually be a dlc and not just more base game patching.
So now instead of 4 dlcs per year we now have 2ish.
Craft bag is awesome, as a crafter I would find it very tough to go back to life without it. Also, I love to dye my costumes. Hmm. Is that worth? Idk. I'm honestly on the fence. I am not asking for a bunch of free ***. But ZOS, you DID make a promise and now you have gone and amended that promise. This... to me, makes YOU unworthy of my business, of my money. Do I want to stop subbing? Not really I do enjoy some of the perks but I may have to amend my end of the deal and do without if I find myself this conflicted...Member of the Old GuardMother of the Byte FamilyVyle Byte||Ivana Byte||Vyible Byte||Hakate Vampler Former EMPRESS BWB||Haan Zolo {Retired} (He swung first)||Lunari ||Wardyn Chalyk Tahno||Dirti Dianah||Bonnie||
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyXP and research boosts are of no value as I am a master crafter and have maxed lvl chars in all classes. Crowns are no use to me personally as I consider all the stuff in the Crown Store to be tat, I still ride my first in-game bought Paint Horse, I have stockpiled all my Crowns from years of subbing, I'd give them away if I could!
Crafting bag is very useful but Zenimax created this to breed a dependency on the sub, 82 quid a year to sub to a virtual item? You've got to be flipping kidding, I can sub to a different MMO that is properly done for that price.
I subbed to get hassle free content access. So now that's gone, there's no point in the sub. My current 6 month sub expires in 2 days (thought it was longer but just checked), that's 3 years nearly to the day of subbing as I've been in since beta.
I played all TES games upon release, from Arena to Skyrim, so Morrowind is a great memory for me. But I doubt ZOS will do it justice because they've not done the Elder Scrolls licence justice to date; I do think that ESO is a good game, but it's nowhere near up to the standard of single player TES games. The engine is gash, the PvP is horrid, the dungeons are very accessible but faceroll easy and have little variety. There's little challenging end-game content, the combat is OK but rather repetitive. There has been DLC but the only one that is a must have is Wrothgar; DB and TG were pale shadows of the TES versions, and SoH, well, we don't mention that one ;-) Given ZOS track record of managing the game and content I am not sure they'll do Morrowind justice. I suspect it's an opportunity for them to cash in on people's nostalgia, but that does not mean that nostalgia will be well served by ZOS.
I'll certainly be paying attention when it's launched, but I'll reserve judgement until then.
But for now, adios friends, new games await!
Edited by raglau on February 1, 2017 8:32PM8 -
ZiRM✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyThey need to tweek ESO+ to keep subscribers and value. Add free wayshire travel and dye weapons etc.Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!2 -
Cronopoly✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyIts funny, the only reason why the crafting bag makes it enticing is that THEY DESIGNED IT to be RESTRICTIVE in the first $#%^ place!!
If you are a crafter you almost have to have it because the original limitation is Extreme crap and conveniently expensive to upgrade and limiting especially as there's not enough space by far to do any serious crafting of multiple skills and use your bank as a holding space.1 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.Sub benefits I use:- Crafting bag
- Free access to all previous DLCs
- Costume dying that doesn't rely on preset stamps
- 10% bonus to EXP, inspiration, gold, etc.
And I will be playing Homestead, so I look forward to double furnishings caps, too.
I still find subbing very much worth it. Morrowind does not make my sub any less worth it just because I have to buy it, because the perks I already have will all still be there while I'm on Vvardenfell.
This new yearly "Chapter" model doesn't decrease sub value: it just doesn't increase it. It's a subtle, but important, difference.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buySerious crafting is not possible without crafting bag.
I challenge that. If anything, recent changes in One Tamriel have made it so that we have less use for most of the crafting resources. We are not expected to be doing crafting for other levels, so we only need to have the 8 basic equipment crafting materials, maybe a dozen runes, select food, select water and plants, plus the equipment upgrade materials and style stuff that we want to use. I am thinking that ALL of that can be stored on a single character. If you have ESO Plus and the crafting bag, and have been collecting this stuff, you might already have a lifetime supply of some of that stuff.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyBlackSparrow wrote: »This new yearly "Chapter" model doesn't decrease sub value: it just doesn't increase it. It's a subtle, but important, difference.
Are we just ignoring that ESO+ went from 4 yearly DLCs to 3, and that to remain current with content requires purchasing a separate expansion whereas before simply subscribing granted access to all non-cosmetic content?3 -
dramsb14_ESO✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.Yep, crafting bag and monthly crowns are worth the sub alone to me.0 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.Yep and I can promise you 3/4 of the folks who voted no will continue to sub.Edited by Balamoor on February 1, 2017 9:37PM0 -
disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't think you have sufficient options for me to vote.
I subscribed when the craft bag was announced and do not regret doing so, but the lack of new content that I enjoy is making me rethink my decision. I dislike sneaking, stealing and murdering, so have not really touched DB or TG DLCs - this is personal taste so nobody is really to blame here - and I already had Orsinium and IC DLCs before subbing, so I have not had much new content for my tastes.
Housing will be for everyone and I have not seen anything about advantages or bonuses for ESO+ members that will come with it. Having houses and potentially other items for sale in the crown store means we might be able to utilize the crowns we get for subbing, which is a good thing.
The original announcement about the 'expansion pack' was a little disappointing in that it is neither included in the sub, nor available with crowns that you might get from the sub. Am waiting to see any further announcements on this before the release before deciding whether to part with cash or not.
So I am really sitting on the fence waiting to see what happens before reviewing my sub.Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.1 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyBlackSparrow wrote: »Sub benefits I use:- Crafting bag
- Free access to all previous DLCs
- Costume dying that doesn't rely on preset stamps
- 10% bonus to EXP, inspiration, gold, etc.
And I will be playing Homestead, so I look forward to double furnishings caps, too.
I still find subbing very much worth it. Morrowind does not make my sub any less worth it just because I have to buy it, because the perks I already have will all still be there while I'm on Vvardenfell.
This new yearly "Chapter" model doesn't decrease sub value: it just doesn't increase it. It's a subtle, but important, difference.
I know it is just sort of picky, but you do understand you dont actually have Free access to all previous dlcs right? you are actually paying for them. Much more and much longer then those who got them out right.2 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyI'm sure it is still valuable to many customers . For me the paid theme park pass was the appeal to try content before buying it permanently . Since that's no longer a option for all content , I no longer am in need of it .2 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyBlackSparrow wrote: »
This new yearly "Chapter" model doesn't decrease sub value: it just doesn't increase it. It's a subtle, but important, difference.
You will no longer have access to all game content with a sub. I don't see anything subtle about this. And defenders, please spare the "it's an expansion" argument. zos is hiding behind relabeling. If I buy Morrowind, it will be a download, not a disc. Isn't that by it's very nature 'DLC'?PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
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Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
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ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)3 -
Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.I love the crafting bag. I still value the extra experience gained. And just recently, I had enough crowns to buy all the assistants, which I find invaluable. So I plan on keeping my sub.
I also find value in supporting the company that is continually bringing forth great content. I think that by going with the 6-month sub, you're only paying $12-15 a month. That's like my netflix sub, and also my monthly support of National Public Radio.
Anyone who supports NPR gets an awesome in my eyesFeel free to add me. I'm part of the Gummy Guars PC/Mac NA server. Master crafter and working on getting 9 traits on everything1 -
Darkestnght✭✭✭✭Yes, subscription is worth the cost with access to all content.The crafting bag alone makes the subscription worth while for me, easy.Xbox NA - CP1300+
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭No, subscription has been devalued with requirement to buyYep and I con promise you 3/4 of the folks who voted no will continue to sub.
Considering that there are only 3 paid updates per year that is a huge net loss to profits given that ESO+ guaranteed regular income. I don't think ZOS realizes how significant this expansion change is to their current revenue stream.1