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Let's clear the air on why people are angry
MLGProPlayer
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I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to buy this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 1, 2017 5:42AM People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to buy this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...54 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't know. Angry seems sort of strong for what I am. Disappointed I suppose. I liked the sub. No hassle just had the content, went about my business. Doubt I'll return to that.27 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).34 -
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✭✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I don't know. Angry seems sort of strong for what I am. Disappointed I suppose. I liked the sub. No hassle just had the content, went about my business. Doubt I'll return to that.
I'm not personally angry or disappointed. I will end my sub and buy the expansion. But then, I have only been a sub for 5 months. I can see why someone who has been saving crowns for years might be pissed.6 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...25 -
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✭Or... most forum posters aren't happy unless they are miserable. Or as my dad who served in the Navy would say bitching sailors are happy sailors.
I sub and pre ordered the game and have been playing since early access and I didn't expect nor am I upset an expansion isn't part of the eso+ dlc access.
Fact is not all subs feel cheated.
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole (which is why I linked an article from one of the largest mainstream gaming journals). You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 1, 2017 5:53AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Or... most forum posters aren't happy unless they are miserable. Or as my dad who served in the Navy would say bitching sailors are happy sailors.
I sub and pre ordered the game and have been playing since early access and I didn't expect nor am I upset an expansion isn't part of the eso+ dlc access.
Fact is not all subs feel cheated.
And that's fine. I didn't say all subs feel cheated. Some do, and I am explaining why.
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
So how you define DLC and expansion? Just asking, because for the last 18 years i have been playing MMOs and still dont know. Please help!10 -
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✭✭✭There is also a strong message that ZOS is taking people with subs for granted. ZOS quietly took their sub money in 2016 Q4 but didn't drop any new DLC in the crown store. The same happened in 2017 Q1. Then, surprise! Despite waiting and paying for 6 months, you won't be getting anything for another 3, but we will take more of your money for what we were working on while we received your sub.
Who knows. Maybe they will also drop an amazing DLC alongside Morrowind in Q2. That would at least give some value to those who sub. Of course, the backlash among would be pretty bad for day-1 DLC.29 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm a sub, I don't feel out to dry. I've been saying for a while to my friends in ESO that it needs a proper large paid expansion and I'm happy they are releasing one.Edited by Sigtric on February 1, 2017 5:55AM
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Having played an embarrassing amount of MMOs over the years, I tend to take a neutral approach to this controversy. I don't condone how many MMOs function, both in regards to technical functionality and an overeliance on a "cash shop". But the model has survived against all odds. And I don't see MMO devs changing philosophies anytime soon.
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...
It seems pretty common to me, among most games, smaller content drops are DLC and larger ones are expansions.
Since they are similar in nature it is easy to spin things to help validate the entitlement
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...
It seems pretty common to me, among most games, smaller content drops are DLC and larger ones are expansions.
Since they are similar in nature it is easy to spin things to help validate the entitlement
Yeah... I never equated a DLC with an Expansion...4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...
Some developers release DLCs that are the same size as expansions and call them DLCs. Others differentiate between the two and release both. Yet others call everything an expansion or an add-on.
Blood & Wine for The Witcher 3 was referred to as a DLC, despite being the same size if not bigger than Morrowind.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 1, 2017 5:59AM9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...
It seems pretty common to me, among most games, smaller content drops are DLC and larger ones are expansions.
Since they are similar in nature it is easy to spin things to help validate the entitlement
Yeah... I never equated a DLC with an Expansion...
Yeah, I was just adding to what you were saying
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
Show Me Your Dunmer
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✭I've been subbed since launch, and I've bought more crowns than I dare admit,
But, if ZOS doesn't reconsider their plan on the "expansion", I will cancel my sub. Calling it an expansion instead of DLC is like trying to argue what the definition of "is" is.
Not all DLC is an expansion, but by definition all expansions are DLC.
The money doesn't bother me, but the lie all eso+ members were told does.
This is why its not being allowed ion the crown store. The fine print on "dlc". Tactics only a lawyer would use.
¹Access to DLC game packs available in the Crown Store and character progression bonuses available for the duration of membership. Any progress made using the progression bonuses during the time of membership will remain.
But, then again ZOS entire board of directors probably have never played a single one of the games they sell.14 -
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✭✭Less people are angry about this than about say housing prices at the Crown Store, for example...7 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...
It seems pretty common to me, among most games, smaller content drops are DLC and larger ones are expansions.
Since they are similar in nature it is easy to spin things to help validate the entitlement
Blood & Wine was a DLC for the Witcher 3. It is the same size or bigger than Morrowind.
There are no industry-wide definitions for the terms. Every developer uses their own standard.8 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I see a lot of strawman arguments being made. Nobody seems to understand why some people are angry.
People don't care about the price of the DLC. $40 is not a lot of money.
People are angry because ZOS has changed their revenue model AGAIN, leaving subscribers out to dry. The most loyal fans of the game feel betrayed because they felt they were paying for something, at a rate of $180 a year, that they will not receive now.
Had ZOS been clear from the start on what constitutes a DLC and what constitutes an expansion (two interchangeable terms), this whole mess could have been avoided. People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
These are players who have contributed many times the value of the DLC through their subscription, yet they are not getting any recognition for that now.
The worst part is that these players cannot even use the crowns they have accumulated to by this latest expansion. These are real dollars that were paid to ZOS.
This is why some people are angry.
I understand where you're coming from, but.... I am a subscriber... and I have never interchanged the terms DLC and expansion... but that may be biased by the fact that I have previously played many MMO's...
The terms are interchangeable in the gaming industry. Here is an article from Gamespot, announcing the Orsinium DLC as a new expansion (and calling it both terms in the actual article).
No that is an article by Gamespot... not the whole gaming industry... I have been playing MMO's for a long time now and I think if you ask people with extensive MMO experience, a good majority would not interchange the terms DLC and Expansion...
They are interchangeable in the gaming industry, as a whole. You cannot assume that everyone who plays ESO is an MMO vet.
Says who? All I saw was one article...
It seems pretty common to me, among most games, smaller content drops are DLC and larger ones are expansions.
Since they are similar in nature it is easy to spin things to help validate the entitlement
Yeah... I never equated a DLC with an Expansion...
Yeah, I was just adding to what you were saying
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »People who subbed for access to all future content, might not have subbed if they knew expansions would not be included in that rate.
This is where a lot of you get it completly wrong, and i'm sorry, but to me is beyond idiotic.
You've subbed for the content Zenimax delivered and you were playing all this time, to think that it would entiltle you to any future devolopment, regardless of scope or whatever makes no sense at all.
They are telling you in advance how Morrowind is gonna be monetized, you can do now whatever the hell you want with your sub.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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✭Once again folks we are assuming that ZOS is inventing all these MMO business models, but hey they are not reinventing the wheel. Get used to it. Even IF the game were still SUB based they would still charge for expansions, even if DLC was included in your sub. ESO Morrowind seems sufficiently EPIC enough to me to be an expansion.
I guess people forget the days] of Vanilla WoW and the Burning Crusade EXPANSION that cost you extra money to buy along with still having to pay a sub, the same for WoLK and Cataclysm . . . etc . . .5 -
S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭Both orsinium and imperial city were referred to as expansions by numerous gaming websites, most referred to imperial city as the first expansion for eso6
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✭I get that some people feel that way, and that's fine.
Personally I expected to pay for an expansion, even as a subbed player. But I also see Dlc and expansions as different.
As you mentioned, I think the issue is misunderstanding or miscommunication regarding the difference between the two. This has caught some players off guard.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »Both orsinium and imperial city were referred to as expansions by numerous gaming websites, most referred to imperial city as the first expansion for eso
Which is why I shared the link above. You cannot argue that these terms are not used interchangeably. Every developer sets their own standard. Every gaming journal uses their own term. There isn't a single standard.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 1, 2017 6:07AM5 -
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✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »
It's unfortunate that they chose to put a hex on housing even before they released it (limited to little function for high prices). It's like they want it to be given a lukewarm welcome.
The expansion however is actual content and is worth paying for.2 -
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✭I'm a sub, I don't feel out to dry. I've been saying for a while to my friends in ESO that it needs a proper large paid expansion and I'm happy they are releasing one.
I think this is the problem. What one defines as a "large expansion". To many, this seems to offer only a little extra content compared to previous DLCs (especially when considering subscribers have received no DLCs for 2 Quarters). So why is it considered an Expansion and worthy of a separate payment?
Other MMOs have Expansion Packs for sure, but they seem to offer changes that affect the whole of the game, and add playable content far more in excess than what is being offered here.
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