And you know it how?

I have unsubbed, and yes, I will buy the DLC.

However, I will buy the £30 version, and ZOS would have gotten £50 from me by the time of release if I remained subbed, not to mention the subsequent months they won't get.

So, yes, it is partly protest.

The other part is that I don't see the value in ESO+ anymore. I subbed to get the DLC in a way that supported the game a little bit more than just buying the DLC - I felt the game was worth it. But after 9 months without any DLC, and a year without any new zones... what am I paying for? I don't care for crowns, and the crafting bag isn't worth the subscription money.

Note: The 1 year and 9 month dates will be the duration without significant paid content at the time of Morrowind's release

Regardless of my feelings about the pricetag on the expansion, I can't unsubscribe, ever. I just CAN'T! There is no way that I could ever find space for the bazillions of mats in my crafting bag. That one feature alone is worth the $15 a month.

catsgomeow wrote: »

i feel as though ive been cheated through sneaky wording and double dipping, if they straight up said at the beginning that certain dlc would not be included in eso+ i would be fine with it but the way theyve gone about this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, i unsubbed, i purchased the existing dlc with saved crowns, i will not resub from this point on, i will purchase the new content. But, i will never, ever resub.

This - exactly this. I did the same thing.

AdamBourke wrote: »

I have unsubbed, and yes, I will buy the DLC.

However, I will buy the £30 version, and ZOS would have gotten £50 from me by the time of release if I remained subbed, not to mention the subsequent months they won't get.

So, yes, it is partly protest.

The other part is that I don't see the value in ESO+ anymore. I subbed to get the DLC in a way that supported the game a little bit more than just buying the DLC - I felt the game was worth it. But after 9 months without any DLC, and a year without any new zones... what am I paying for? I don't care for crowns, and the crafting bag isn't worth the subscription money.

Note: The 1 year and 9 month dates will be the duration without significant paid content at the time of Morrowind's release

I understand your point completely. I too have been disappointed by the lack of content, SotH kinda sucked, I didn't like the way Thieve's Guild and Dark Brotherhood were handled, and One Tamriel, while nice and all, was disappointing. Heck, even IC was a tiny bit disappointing. I personally think Orsinium was by far their best piece of content and is well worth the price and hope Morrowind will be just as good or even better but that is not the point.

I don't think you can say Thieve's Guild and Dark Brotherhood (or even Orsinium) weren't significant paid content because according to your math IC is the only piece of significant paid content which I simply just cannot see. And, while you may be disappointed by them, you can't say they weren't significant (especially Orsinium due to maelstrom weapons).

Again, I understand your point completely, but why were you supporting a game if you didn't think the content was significant? Just food for thought.

It looks like most of whiners don't realize the difference between a single player game and MMO: development is not the only, and many cases not the largest part of expenses. Data centers cost quite a buck to support, especially if you need 24/7 availability, customer support want some salary, so on.

BTW, we got quarterly upgrades as was promised. It was not DLCes, so ZOS did not get money from non-subs - pretty much all with subs subsidize those without it. Is it fair or not is another question, but I really doubt ZOS is to be blamed for it.

The only unusual part about the expansion is the fact that you can't use the in-game paid currency to purchase it. Other than that, it goes along with any expansion I have known from other MMOs:

Subscription gives access to regions in-game, excluding all expansion packs. (For me at least) an expansion pack typically entails a larger than normal region, a significant group-content addition, and a level cap increase. In the case of ESO, I REALLY hope there is no level cap increase but other than that it seems like a legit expansion pack. As I said above the only foul is that the paid in-game currency cannot be used to purchase it.

The only reason I can think that they would want to do that (barring outright greed, which isn't off the table) is they feel crowns are undervalued, which imo is hilarious and would begin to explain the recent gouging prices. The humor I get out of it is in their decision to offer crowns at a 40% discount periodically to boost sales in the short term. Smart shoppers, anticipating this, waited for these sales to buy crowns to satisfy their cosmetic needs at clearance prices. Subsequently, seeing the high volume of excess crowns in peoples' wallets, they up the price on these "goods" overtime to maintain their real value. ZOS has actually managed to devalue their own currency to the point that it wouldn't be profitable to sell the Xpack in their in-game store! And this incredible lack of foresight is coming back to bite us.

If they were smart, instead of a 40% discount on crowns (the first time I saw that I thought it was a really generous 1-time thing lol) they would offer periodic, even weekly sales on things that cost crowns, not the crowns themselves.

LotRO did it the right way, imo. You could earn the paid currency in-game by completeing the equivalent of ESO achievements. A nickel's equivalence for the easy ones, 50 cent's worth for the big "meta-achievements." There were weekly sales, and even a weekly free consumable coupon for those who visited the official website. That was your incentive to play. Then, of course, there was a subscription functionally identical to ESO's. Same perks, but you felt so much better about just playing the game. The one place where ESO had LotRO beat was the lack of P2W items in the store.

Unfortunately we won't see anything like that in ESO, especially since crowns may be worth half their "exchange rate" value to irl money.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Not exactly a protest when weknow 75% of you will buy the expansion,if you do it before release, we know you'll be back in a few months time ready togive your money to ZOS \_ _/

No but it is still lost revenue for eso. If I am still around when the expac drops, they will have lost 3 months of sub from me. That is 45 dollars. Already more then I would pay for the xpac. Then they will loose probably the next 3 months sub at least since I doubt there will be a dlc then worth getting at the same time. So another 45 bucks. And then if I stick around after that, I'll strongly consider only buying the dlcs I want. Since I have now seen that they will force me to buy the good ones anyway.

So sure I'll still be here. And I'll probably still be playing, but they will be making less. I'm not really protesting. Or striking. I'm just unhappy with a decision they made. So I'm making some.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO

It's not lost revenue actually.

Consider that ppl on the forums tend to be subscribers but when I play in Xbox one....I'd guess that a very large% aren't and will never subscribe.

When I talk about it in randoms it's always....dude why are you paying extra. That's dumb


So consider that sub money or 5-10 million $39-$79 purchases

I unsubscribed 5 + months ago, well worth it.

Craft bag is convenient but manageable without.

I can easily afford to sub but it's mainly principle that I don't.