VMoL Has Ruined PS4's PvE Scene

Aeladiir · January 2017

Yet another crying thread from OP. What a surprise.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Aeladiir wrote: »

Yet another crying thread from OP. What a surprise.

He's not though. It's actually very very true. The only people that give excuse for this are the humans that think they are too l33t to play with others. Literally a group can be in vMoL trying it out and ask 1 dps who has completed it for help or tips... only for them to go...Na bruh I'm just standing in Rawlka I have a run in 3hrs time with the leets and going to wait..gl though. I'm not joking at all. This skin has turned a lot of people into right tards. Some became so bad they got kicked out of thier guilds for being too leetist.

magnusthorek · January 2017

Hate to say I told ya'll so but I told ya'll so

modaretto · January 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

modaretto wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Bruh, I can definitely tell. But again, I try not to cast judgments. Even though I'm often cringing, and or laughing hard as a MF'er over the e-peen measuring I hear and see. The DPS time bragging is what gets me every time though. Because seeing how fast you can kill a stationary boss while it's being tanked, and you're being healed and buffed definitely is a clear indicator of your skill and knowledge of the game overall. And should definitely decide whether or not you're "worthy" to be brought along. Pffffft. Yeah okay. You learned a rotation. Nice. Cool beans, brah.

I would like to know how you plan to pulls dps on rakkhat if you can't do it on a stationary boss where you need to stand and do a perfect rotation. It's a mystery

As how I would like to know why it is so damn important to flaunt your skills of burning a boss that's being tanked, and you're being healed and buffed. To me personally, that isn't impressive. Not even in the slightest. Impressive to me is being able to do so solo, and be able to discuss and show your knowledge of mechanics at hand. That is what impresses me. Talking about who you know, and how fast you can DPS a boss means nada to me. And honestly, it makes me cringe.

I have been there done that. I have met people who claim to have been in vmol hundreads of times, know mechanics, last one staying alive in the group, I have heard all of that. We always give applicants a fair chance eventhough it is easy to see they will fail big time in a trial. And yes you can see it super easy on a static boss fight because again if you fail in a static boss fight with dps you have zero arguments to say you will do amazing in vmol because of mechanics. You will not. If you can't do good with a healer and a tank, with buffs, please do not waste anyones time.

Personally I put effort into testing applicants for guilds. We do start with a static boss dps test, if they do at least average they get a shoot at vmol with us with a group that knows all the mechanics and also has dps. I link them youtube videos, I exaplin mechanics before raid eventhough they claim to be super pro and know everything. Turns out they are not amazing and they do not know everything, they are not the last one standing alive on 2nd boss because they are wiping a group that normally burns through that content in no time.

therefere; no. If you don't have dps you will also struggle a lot with mechanics because mechanics is what affects your dps, staying alive affects your dps, knowing when to move or put dots affects your dps. So again if you can't do the bare minimum and get numbers on a boss that does not move and where you have 100% uptimes on buffs....what was your point again here?

Woeler · January 2017

I dont want pleb bow pet "play the way you want" sorcerers in my vmol raids. Vmol is not meant for that type of players.

Tyrion87 · January 2017

I have to agree, sadly... I notice this also on PC. That's why I really hope that any potential trials that would come with Vvardenfell (like Red Mountain which is supposed by many to be the next trial) won't be any harder than vMoL. I want to have a chance to actually enjoy this content, and not only on normal-freaking-easy mode.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

willlienellson wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

What exactly can you get from vMoL that isnt obtainable in nMoL?
Golden jewelry is not THAT much more powerful than blue/purple.
Drop rate isnt any better on vet... Ive beaten vMoL last June (or was it May?), was doing it quite often since then and still dont have sharpened Moondancer destro of any kind or any sword.

What makes you think I'm talking about vMoL specifically? I'm talking about the fundamental structure of the entire game. Remember when the best weapons were Master Weapons and the hardest content in the game was Dragon Star Arena? I do.
VMA was the same. It's a trend.

You basically make my point for me. You've beaten the hardest content in the game and you've yet to be rewarded with better gear that drops from that content. When you finally get rewarded with that (after already beating the hardest stuff many times) and your build is even better what are you going to do......come on the forums and demand harder content? XD

And as you state yourself, you DO in fact get gold jewelry from vMoL, which DOES incrementally buff the builds of players already beating the hardest content.

I'm so glad we agree.

The thread was about vMoL...
But anyway, the problem with vMA is that no matter how many times you do it, you're not guaranteed to get the best weapons in game. I know of some players that dont have specific weapons they've farmed for even after 100s of runs.
And vMA is nerfed really hard these days, not directly ofc, but power creep makes it significantly easier. But then again, you have to be lucky to get good weapon, and getting it is not related to your skill.
Not to mention that even if you have that vMA sharpened fire staff, it will only give you a few thousands extra dps (with a good rotation of course, assuming that you do light attack before every skill), and good dds pull 40+k dps these days. Its mainly used as offbar weapon these days, and it can be replaced with crafted fire staff or Moondancer/IA staff (they can be farmed in normal mode trials). Stamina weapons of vMA are stronger than staves, yes, but its not like stamina is going to be super viable in the next patch.

P.S. The buff from yellow jewelry isnt THAT huge. Its like 50-100 mana/stamina points + a couple of points to your set bonuses? Not a gamechanger, and minor slayer buff is always 5% regardless of item quality. If a player cant beat vMoL with blue Moondancer rings and necklace, they're not gonna beat it if their jewelry will magically become golden. I dont see how it increases the power gap between players.

Derra · January 2017

Anyone who got the skin after 1 tamriel is basically a scam and not worthy.

RazorCaltrops · January 2017

This topic shows how "casual" our console playerbase is compared to PC.

People are too lazy to create a new guild/group and always want to be the part of the best guild. Things didn't go well ? Blame others, blame the "elitists".

Mind showing your rotation to people ? How dare you ask me to kill a stationary boss.

Mind being a part of our progression team as we can't replace our main team ? How dare you, i'm too OP to be a part of this.

and vice versa:

#1 score run today, xx HM --> i can't today, sorry (stays afk at Rawlkha)

We lost too much vitality, disband and restart --> i can't be bothered, let's finish or replace me

and the Oscar goes to:

We cleared VMOL HM, next goal is score run ---> Invalid Command (who cares about score/team/guild goals when you already got the title on your main, right ?)

That's why; dear PC players, we are struggling on console in end-game PVE and end up with the same people in leaderboards with near zero competition. Not because there aren't enough people, but %95 of the so called "end-game PVE players" acting like this.

So next time, when you read a topic like this on the forums, always remember this post.

Ch4mpTW · January 2017

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

This topic shows how "casual" our console playerbase is compared to PC.

People are too lazy to create a new guild/group and always want to be the part of the best guild. Things didn't go well ? Blame others, blame the "elitists".

Mind showing your rotation to people ? How dare you ask me to kill a stationary boss.

Mind being a part of our progression team as we can't replace our main team ? How dare you, i'm too OP to be a part of this.

and vice versa:

#1 score run today, xx HM --> i can't today, sorry (stays afk at Rawlkha)

We lost too much vitality, disband and restart --> i can't be bothered, let's finish or replace me

and the Oscar goes to:

We cleared VMOL HM, next goal is score run ---> Invalid Command (who cares about score/team/guild goals when you already got the title on your main, right ?)

That's why; dear PC players, we are struggling on console in end-game PVE and end up with the same people in leaderboards with near zero competition. Not because there aren't enough people, but %95 of the so called "end-game PVE players" acting like this.

So next time, when you read a topic like this on the forums, always remember this post.

Errr what are you even talking about?

Cadbury · January 2017

Is my aunt Minnie in here?

RazorCaltrops · January 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

This topic shows how "casual" our console playerbase is compared to PC.

People are too lazy to create a new guild/group and always want to be the part of the best guild. Things didn't go well ? Blame others, blame the "elitists".

Mind showing your rotation to people ? How dare you ask me to kill a stationary boss.

Mind being a part of our progression team as we can't replace our main team ? How dare you, i'm too OP to be a part of this.

and vice versa:

#1 score run today, xx HM --> i can't today, sorry (stays afk at Rawlkha)

We lost too much vitality, disband and restart --> i can't be bothered, let's finish or replace me

and the Oscar goes to:

We cleared VMOL HM, next goal is score run ---> Invalid Command (who cares about score/team/guild goals when you already got the title on your main, right ?)

That's why; dear PC players, we are struggling on console in end-game PVE and end up with the same people in leaderboards with near zero competition. Not because there aren't enough people, but %95 of the so called "end-game PVE players" acting like this.

So next time, when you read a topic like this on the forums, always remember this post.

Errr what are you even talking about?

It's perfectly related.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2017

Xerton wrote: »

I really feel sorry for you guys, but always remember, you made one big mistake in the first place:
You are playing on a console!!!

I mean really?? There are plenty of games that are perfectly suited to a console, but ESO aint one of them

Disagree. Only Endgame Trial PvE is not suited for console. The only thing Pc players have that most console players dont is Time, Guild/Raid dedication and add-ons.

ESO's pvp, dungeons, exploring and trading is very console friendly. The problem is large scale coordinated content that requires real step by step process to complete. Only the few dedicated groups of players that hop online every friday night to practise for example get through this type of content.

Everything else isnt so time constraining. You can jump on and go but Trials is different. If you wanna hardcore Raid yes play pc or even World of Warcraft.

Xerton · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

Xerton wrote: »

I really feel sorry for you guys, but always remember, you made one big mistake in the first place:
You are playing on a console!!!

I mean really?? There are plenty of games that are perfectly suited to a console, but ESO aint one of them

That's opinion not fact, hate narrow minded idiots like you "my way is the best because I said so" lol shut up

Yes you can play all the single player content of the game without any problems, but the moment it comes to high end PvE or PvP, the lack of information the standard game ui in ESO provides is just a joke.

So now why is that? ZOS said they did so to have a maximum of immersion for those who want it and those who want more information can use addons to get them.

On console there are no addons. So as a consequence ESO is not meant for console

Rex-Umbra · January 2017

Never understood point of trials. Sounds like a lot of stress for some pixels.

Cherryblossom · January 2017

Let me get this straight, you are complaining because you're not good enough to complete content, some how thats the fault of those that can?

DPS figures in Hardcore endgame are important, the fact you don't recognise this is an indication why you don't progress.

Don't like some people, find those that you do.

Ch4mpTW · January 2017

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Let me get this straight, you are complaining because you're not good enough to complete content, some how thats the fault of those that can?

DPS figures in Hardcore endgame are important, the fact you don't recognise this is an indication why you don't progress.

Don't like some people, find those that you do.

Not even close to what the thread was about. The lack of reading comprehension is strong in a lot of these responses. Either that, or people just so eager to bait and flame rather than actually read what was provided.

Also, I find it funny how there's always a handful of people who swear out that these types of things listed in the original post never occur. And how it's exaggerating things occurring, and bs. And yet, the amount of people who have either experienced it or seen what was deceived for themselves prove otherwise. More so than not the later. But, I suppose this is all human nature. And in the end being pointless, as people will people. And unfortunately will never admit (let alone acknowledge) the things occurring on a daily basis.

Izaki · January 2017

Its tough to find a new team when your old guild gets disbanded. Its even harder to get your own team going.

Better just excel at DPS tests and show your best during trials. I can guarantee you that if you pull something like 41k self buffed on a stamblade that you'll have higher chances to get into a team (my personnal example here). If you're not pulling more DPS than others and dying in easier trials, why would you be in a team? Its best to not get caught up in the whole guild system thing, it rarely works out in your favor, you gotta go do your best DPS tests and clip them beforehand, you gotta tell them to take you into a trial with them, you gotta be reliable and show up every time. Don't try to get into the Grand Counsil cause they have a team that will never change that works well. Get to know people too.
I mean its like getting a job interview: your DPS clip, your titles, achievement screens are your CV. You got an impressive CV? "Great we'll get back to you" is not an answer. So this is where connections come into play.
Its a game, but vMol is the hardest thing in the game. Having the skin is a priviledge of some sort and people don't want others to get it. Its absolutely logical.

Ch4mpTW · January 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Its tough to find a new team when your old guild gets disbanded. Its even harder to get your own team going.

Better just excel at DPS tests and show your best during trials. I can guarantee you that if you pull something like 41k self buffed on a stamblade that you'll have higher chances to get into a team (my personnal example here). If you're not pulling more DPS than others and dying in easier trials, why would you be in a team? Its best to not get caught up in the whole guild system thing, it rarely works out in your favor, you gotta go do your best DPS tests and clip them beforehand, you gotta tell them to take you into a trial with them, you gotta be reliable and show up every time. Don't try to get into the Grand Counsil cause they have a team that will never change that works well. Get to know people too.
I mean its like getting a job interview: your DPS clip, your titles, achievement screens are your CV. You got an impressive CV? "Great we'll get back to you" is not an answer. So this is where connections come into play.
Its a game, but vMol is the hardest thing in the game. Having the skin is a priviledge of some sort and people don't want others to get it. Its absolutely logical.

I'm just going to say it how I feel, this post here makes me feel worse about the state of the game. And how askew things are in console compared to PC. I understand that everything is not for everyone, and how certain standards have to be met for this and that. And yes, I do understand that working toward things leads to success. I'm completely understanding of that.

However, the sheer fact you have to tested constantly and view things like a job interview for a video game guild? That's pathetic. It's petty and pathetic. I wasn't with that type of nonsense when similar things occurred on WoW, and still am not with that type of elitist nonsense. The people running these guilds that promote the bs should be ashamed of themselves, and really knocked off their high horses. It's not so serious to the point that you have to believe you're superior to everyone else, and roam about like you are the top of the top. All because you have a skin, and know this person and that person on a video game. No. Not cool.

And no, I wouldn't ever want to join a guild like the council. They USED to be respectable and decent, but now are elitist and snobby to the utmost degree. My stomach churns every time I'm wandering about Elden Root, and I hear about how someone of "the great" GC did this and that. And how they use this build and that be build. It's nauseating. I know people who were in that guild prior to a lot of its changes, and left after seeing what it became. As well as those who wanted entry, but soon wanted nothing to do with them. Why people idolize them, and classify them pros I have no idea.

DPShiro · January 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Its tough to find a new team when your old guild gets disbanded. Its even harder to get your own team going.

Better just excel at DPS tests and show your best during trials. I can guarantee you that if you pull something like 41k self buffed on a stamblade that you'll have higher chances to get into a team (my personnal example here). If you're not pulling more DPS than others and dying in easier trials, why would you be in a team? Its best to not get caught up in the whole guild system thing, it rarely works out in your favor, you gotta go do your best DPS tests and clip them beforehand, you gotta tell them to take you into a trial with them, you gotta be reliable and show up every time. Don't try to get into the Grand Counsil cause they have a team that will never change that works well. Get to know people too.
I mean its like getting a job interview: your DPS clip, your titles, achievement screens are your CV. You got an impressive CV? "Great we'll get back to you" is not an answer. So this is where connections come into play.
Its a game, but vMol is the hardest thing in the game. Having the skin is a priviledge of some sort and people don't want others to get it. Its absolutely logical.

I'm just going to say it how I feel, this post here makes me feel worse about the state of the game. And how askew things are in console compared to PC. I understand that everything is not for everyone, and how certain standards have to be met for this and that. And yes, I do understand that working toward things leads to success. I'm completely understanding of that.

However, the sheer fact you have to tested constantly and view things like a job interview for a video game guild? That's pathetic. It's petty and pathetic. I wasn't with that type of nonsense when similar things occurred on WoW, and still am not with that type of elitist nonsense. The people running these guilds that promote the bs should be ashamed of themselves, and really knocked off their high horses. It's not so serious to the point that you have to believe you're superior to everyone else, and roam about like you are the top of the top. All because you have a skin, and know this person and that person on a video game. No. Not cool.

And no, I wouldn't ever want to join a guild like the council. They USED to be respectable and decent, but now are elitist and snobby to the utmost degree. My stomach churns every time I'm wandering about Elden Root, and I hear about how someone of "the great" GC did this and that. And how they use this build and that be build. It's nauseating. I know people who were in that guild prior to a lot of its changes, and left after seeing what it became. As well as those who wanted entry, but soon wanted nothing to do with them. Why people idolize them, and classify them pros I have no idea.

But you have a choice, create your own guild or pair up with similar players such as yourself (don't believe in DPS tests, believe solo snowflake builds are the way to success etc) and go to town!

Just imagine all the fun you all will have with all those DDs with clanfears, twilights and resto staffs! And I'm sure the NB tank with 2H and Bow will have no problem with his job either!

But don't complain because top guilds don't want to waste time on you and your entitlement attitude.

Xerton · January 2017

DPShiro wrote: »

Just imagine all the fun you all will have with all those DDs with clanfears, twilights and resto staffs! And I'm sure the NB tank with 2H and Frost Staff will have no problem with his job either!

@DPShiro fixed that for you

Surgee · January 2017

Well then, I'm glad I'm on Xbox One. Didn't encounter anything like that in there. No problem finding a group for 12 player dungeons even if you have no experience at all. When I ask if me and my wife can tag along (champion 377 and 312) we always get a reply "everyone are welcome". We give it a shot, If we fail it's fine, we try another day. Or maybe we are just lucky.

Cadbury · January 2017

The cycle perpetuates itself

Newb to elite. Elite to noob.

Such is life in an MMO

Alcast · January 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

modaretto wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Bruh, I can definitely tell. But again, I try not to cast judgments. Even though I'm often cringing, and or laughing hard as a MF'er over the e-peen measuring I hear and see. The DPS time bragging is what gets me every time though. Because seeing how fast you can kill a stationary boss while it's being tanked, and you're being healed and buffed definitely is a clear indicator of your skill and knowledge of the game overall. And should definitely decide whether or not you're "worthy" to be brought along. Pffffft. Yeah okay. You learned a rotation. Nice. Cool beans, brah.

I would like to know how you plan to pulls dps on rakkhat if you can't do it on a stationary boss where you need to stand and do a perfect rotation. It's a mystery

As how I would like to know why it is so damn important to flaunt your skills of burning a boss that's being tanked, and you're being healed and buffed. To me personally, that isn't impressive. Not even in the slightest. Impressive to me is being able to do so solo, and be able to discuss and show your knowledge of mechanics at hand. That is what impresses me. Talking about who you know, and how fast you can DPS a boss means nada to me. And honestly, it makes me cringe.

If this is not important to you, why are you so angry about people doing Trials? Just do not do them and you will be fine. Or create your own guild and progress.

Humatiel · January 2017

I suspect that all we are seeing here is a mixing of "more worldly" gamers coming from other MMOs and people that are raiding for the first time and ESO happens to be there gateway. It would explain a lot of the nonsense about wasting peoples time being acceptable and character testing is a capital offense.

Miss_Morphine · January 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Its tough to find a new team when your old guild gets disbanded. Its even harder to get your own team going.

Better just excel at DPS tests and show your best during trials. I can guarantee you that if you pull something like 41k self buffed on a stamblade that you'll have higher chances to get into a team (my personnal example here). If you're not pulling more DPS than others and dying in easier trials, why would you be in a team? Its best to not get caught up in the whole guild system thing, it rarely works out in your favor, you gotta go do your best DPS tests and clip them beforehand, you gotta tell them to take you into a trial with them, you gotta be reliable and show up every time. Don't try to get into the Grand Counsil cause they have a team that will never change that works well. Get to know people too.
I mean its like getting a job interview: your DPS clip, your titles, achievement screens are your CV. You got an impressive CV? "Great we'll get back to you" is not an answer. So this is where connections come into play.
Its a game, but vMol is the hardest thing in the game. Having the skin is a priviledge of some sort and people don't want others to get it. Its absolutely logical.

I'm just going to say it how I feel, this post here makes me feel worse about the state of the game. And how askew things are in console compared to PC. I understand that everything is not for everyone, and how certain standards have to be met for this and that. And yes, I do understand that working toward things leads to success. I'm completely understanding of that.

However, the sheer fact you have to tested constantly and view things like a job interview for a video game guild? That's pathetic. It's petty and pathetic. I wasn't with that type of nonsense when similar things occurred on WoW, and still am not with that type of elitist nonsense. The people running these guilds that promote the bs should be ashamed of themselves, and really knocked off their high horses. It's not so serious to the point that you have to believe you're superior to everyone else, and roam about like you are the top of the top. All because you have a skin, and know this person and that person on a video game. No. Not cool.

And no, I wouldn't ever want to join a guild like the council. They USED to be respectable and decent, but now are elitist and snobby to the utmost degree. My stomach churns every time I'm wandering about Elden Root, and I hear about how someone of "the great" GC did this and that. And how they use this build and that be build. It's nauseating. I know people who were in that guild prior to a lot of its changes, and left after seeing what it became. As well as those who wanted entry, but soon wanted nothing to do with them. Why people idolize them, and classify them pros I have no idea.

Like I said before most of the time it's not about you or elitist egos. Maw is not like the other trials. The people who complete spend literally weeks or months wiping and coming back. It takes a hell of a lot of dedication.
Even one person who doesn't know the mechanics or doesn't jibe with the team can wipe the whole team.
If you had spent months working on something, continuously wiping and trying again, would you want to gamble on taking someone who isn't even willing to put in the time to show some dedication?
EDIT: Not saying that egos never affect raiding because that's not true but a lot of the things you're describing have nothing to do with it.

Izaki · January 2017

Xerton wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Just imagine all the fun you all will have with all those DDs with clanfears, twilights and resto staffs! And I'm sure the NB tank with 2H and Frost Staff will have no problem with his job either!

@DPShiro fixed that for you

Ha you slaughtered me.

templesus · January 2017

No such thing as a good player in pve you can't do *** on your own. I love shitting on "skinned" in PvP. Takes the *** down a notch.

DMuehlhausen · January 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Sounds like PS4 just became more like PC.
This is why people eventually stop doing anything in game that involves other people lol.

And yet there's a thread asking for overland content to be more difficult with upcoming DLC's.

People are just doing their best to kill this game.

Hardly, the game lacks challenges aside from 2-3 areas if you can't see that your holding yourself back. Not everyone comes to play and chill. Some people like a workout and push themselves. If the game stays "easy" it gets boring quite fast.that also kills games.

Sure, but that doesn't mean people have to be complete aholes to people that don't have the perfect rolled gear or maybe use one skill that is different. That is the problem with people in games like this.

I was removed the other day from Vet CoS on the last boss cause I wasn't "healing" enough. Everytime when the health spores came out the dps and tank just stood there and didn't try to dodge them or anything. So spamming BoL wouldn't even move their health. So of course then I get yelled out for not healing. I don't maybe try not getting the dot on you.

Izaki · January 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Its tough to find a new team when your old guild gets disbanded. Its even harder to get your own team going.

Better just excel at DPS tests and show your best during trials. I can guarantee you that if you pull something like 41k self buffed on a stamblade that you'll have higher chances to get into a team (my personnal example here). If you're not pulling more DPS than others and dying in easier trials, why would you be in a team? Its best to not get caught up in the whole guild system thing, it rarely works out in your favor, you gotta go do your best DPS tests and clip them beforehand, you gotta tell them to take you into a trial with them, you gotta be reliable and show up every time. Don't try to get into the Grand Counsil cause they have a team that will never change that works well. Get to know people too.
I mean its like getting a job interview: your DPS clip, your titles, achievement screens are your CV. You got an impressive CV? "Great we'll get back to you" is not an answer. So this is where connections come into play.
Its a game, but vMol is the hardest thing in the game. Having the skin is a priviledge of some sort and people don't want others to get it. Its absolutely logical.

I'm just going to say it how I feel, this post here makes me feel worse about the state of the game. And how askew things are in console compared to PC. I understand that everything is not for everyone, and how certain standards have to be met for this and that. And yes, I do understand that working toward things leads to success. I'm completely understanding of that.

However, the sheer fact you have to tested constantly and view things like a job interview for a video game guild? That's pathetic. It's petty and pathetic. I wasn't with that type of nonsense when similar things occurred on WoW, and still am not with that type of elitist nonsense. The people running these guilds that promote the bs should be ashamed of themselves, and really knocked off their high horses. It's not so serious to the point that you have to believe you're superior to everyone else, and roam about like you are the top of the top. All because you have a skin, and know this person and that person on a video game. No. Not cool.

And no, I wouldn't ever want to join a guild like the council. They USED to be respectable and decent, but now are elitist and snobby to the utmost degree. My stomach churns every time I'm wandering about Elden Root, and I hear about how someone of "the great" GC did this and that. And how they use this build and that be build. It's nauseating. I know people who were in that guild prior to a lot of its changes, and left after seeing what it became. As well as those who wanted entry, but soon wanted nothing to do with them. Why people idolize them, and classify them pros I have no idea.

In the end its not the issue with top guilds though. People classify them as pros because they pull more DPS, Tank better or heal better than you/them. The teamwork is insanely good too. So don't bash all top guilds just because you think they are elitist or whatever. They have clear expectations and if you can't meet their requirements its on you. It took me ages to get into a legit team. But its all through work. Don't expect the first team spot to be handed to you.

The job interview is an example dude. You took it way too seriously. Btw one test is all it took for me. Thing is, people hate giving DPS tests, because its time consuming. So if you don't meet the requirements from the get go no one is going to bother. If you fail one DPS test it just shows your inconsistency.

In the end, if you're not happy with how the best performing guilds operate, maybe get your own guild going like @DPShiro said.

Don't bash all top end guilds though. Because by doing that you're bashing my friends and I'm not taking that.