Ultimates do crit, yes.

Some can be empowered, some can't. Incap strike should be empowerable. Not 100% sure.

Every "one hit" ultimate (2 handed, dead stroke…) can be empowered. Dots one can't (meteor).
There can be some weird exception though.

And every ultimate can crit, every single hit for dots one can crit also.

Lol, ofc meteor can be empowered

Asayre wrote: »

Meteor self empowers. The empower only affects the initial hit.

Without Might of the Guild, Ice Comet does 2901 on hit and DoTs tick for 840. Light attack damage before and after is 584.


With Might of the Guild, Ice Comet does 3469 on hit and DoTs tick for 840. Light attack damage before and after is 584. Thus Ice Comet empowers itself.


If I were instead to use a Mages' Guild ability before Ice Comet like Equilibrium to gain the Empower beforehand, Ice Comet still does 3469 on hit and DoT ticks of 840. Light attack damage before Equilibrium and after Ice Comet is 584.


This is a copy paste from another comment on the 29th of June 2016. Testing was done in the SoTH PTS.

I always thought you could empower any skill but as far as channels/DOTs (Soul Assault/Meteor) go, it only effects the first hit or damage tick. Does anyone know if that is correct?

Enslaved wrote: »

For example, using maelstorm one handed weapons will empower your dual wield ultimate.

maelstrom enchants do not apply to the dw ultimate. maelstrom enchants only apply to single target dots, dw ultimate is an aoe dot.

AzuraKin wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

For example, using maelstorm one handed weapons will empower your dual wield ultimate.

maelstrom enchants do not apply to the dw ultimate. maelstrom enchants only apply to single target dots, dw ultimate is an aoe dot.

And again you spread you BS over the forum....

Maelstrom Weapons DO empower DW ultimate, same as they empower dawnbreaker for example.
To explain how the maelstrom dagger and axe enchantment actually works one has to know what ZOS means, when talking about singel target dot.

Their definition is the following:
If a DoT is applyed to a character rather than an area it is a single target DoT.
This means Liquid Lightning, Elemental Wall, Volley and other ground based DoTs do not count as single target DoTs.
However the DW Ultimate or the Dawnbraker, even so they are an AoE ability, are considered single target DoTs as their DoT component sticks to the character it was applied to and does not affect characters entering the AoE zone after the skill was cast.

And now @AzuraKin go home and leave this forum for good. Thx!

Xerton wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

For example, using maelstorm one handed weapons will empower your dual wield ultimate.

maelstrom enchants do not apply to the dw ultimate. maelstrom enchants only apply to single target dots, dw ultimate is an aoe dot.

And again you spread you BS over the forum....

Maelstrom Weapons DO empower DW ultimate, same as they empower dawnbreaker for example.
To explain how the maelstrom dagger and axe enchantment actually works one has to know what ZOS means, when talking about singel target dot.

Their definition is the following:
If a DoT is applyed to a character rather than an area it is a single target DoT.
This means Liquid Lightning, Elemental Wall, Volley and other ground based DoTs do not count as single target DoTs.
However the DW Ultimate or the Dawnbraker, even so they are an AoE ability, are considered single target DoTs as their DoT component sticks to the character it was applied to and does not affect characters entering the AoE zone after the skill was cast.

And now @AzuraKin go home and leave this forum for good. Thx!

yet your statement defies hard logic. i did not go oh maelstrom says boosts single target dot by x weapon and spell power must not apply to dw ultimate, i actually went in and ran it in a rotation specific to using the ultimate with the maelstrom buff and seeing if it boosted the damage. it did not boost the damage multiple times attempts at boosting the ultimate with the maelstrom enchants. but than that is probably the difference between you and i. you say something is possible because someone tells you, i on the other hand actually test things for myself, run add-ons to visually check what is going on, and make informed decisions based on real time data.

Xerton wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Xerton wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

For example, using maelstorm one handed weapons will empower your dual wield ultimate.

maelstrom enchants do not apply to the dw ultimate. maelstrom enchants only apply to single target dots, dw ultimate is an aoe dot.

And again you spread you BS over the forum....

Maelstrom Weapons DO empower DW ultimate, same as they empower dawnbreaker for example.
To explain how the maelstrom dagger and axe enchantment actually works one has to know what ZOS means, when talking about singel target dot.

Their definition is the following:
If a DoT is applyed to a character rather than an area it is a single target DoT.
This means Liquid Lightning, Elemental Wall, Volley and other ground based DoTs do not count as single target DoTs.
However the DW Ultimate or the Dawnbraker, even so they are an AoE ability, are considered single target DoTs as their DoT component sticks to the character it was applied to and does not affect characters entering the AoE zone after the skill was cast.

And now @AzuraKin go home and leave this forum for good. Thx!

yet your statement defies hard logic. i did not go oh maelstrom says boosts single target dot by x weapon and spell power must not apply to dw ultimate, i actually went in and ran it in a rotation specific to using the ultimate with the maelstrom buff and seeing if it boosted the damage. it did not boost the damage multiple times attempts at boosting the ultimate with the maelstrom enchants. but than that is probably the difference between you and i. you say something is possible because someone tells you, i on the other hand actually test things for myself, run add-ons to visually check what is going on, and make informed decisions based on real time data.

I actually DID test it myself... And i can't imagine that YOU would have any maelstrom weapons to actually test this nor the patience to go on PTS and create a character and test it there.

So how is that for actually data:
(Hint it is the fifth ability from the top)

lol, been to maelstrom, beat it, got bored of it, now wait for something to come out that challenges me again.

and for patience? dude i am very patient, i have 8 toons that i methodically train EVERY SINGLE SKILL regardless of intent to use it, and every morph.

You guys are adorable.

nine9six wrote: »

You guys are adorable.

Ha I had the same thought

But yeah the less assinine one is correct - VMA daggers do not empower the DW ultimate as of my last testing.

Not sure why the German guy posted a DPS aggregator. You’d need combat log for with it up and without it up to show if it works

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lol, ofc meteor can be empowered

Asayre wrote: »

Meteor self empowers. The empower only affects the initial hit.

Without Might of the Guild, Ice Comet does 2901 on hit and DoTs tick for 840. Light attack damage before and after is 584.


With Might of the Guild, Ice Comet does 3469 on hit and DoTs tick for 840. Light attack damage before and after is 584. Thus Ice Comet empowers itself.


If I were instead to use a Mages' Guild ability before Ice Comet like Equilibrium to gain the Empower beforehand, Ice Comet still does 3469 on hit and DoT ticks of 840. Light attack damage before Equilibrium and after Ice Comet is 584.


This is a copy paste from another comment on the 29th of June 2016. Testing was done in the SoTH PTS.

That data is old, you CANNOT empower meteor in live(same with curse, sub/fissure, PL/PotL)

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