Heavy Armor Magicka DK set up (Housing)

Quickline · January 2017

Yo whats up guys? Just wanted to ask you what you are going to wear instead of desert rose (because of nerf)? I was thinking about 5 black rose, 5 lich, 2 willpower weapons (I think 2 piece of willpower outperforms 2 torugs pact) and 2 skoria. The thing is, that I dont know if 5 black rose gives enough sustain for magicka players? Thats why I would use lich too.
If it would give enough sustain, I just would change black rose for desert rose and stand with my 5 rattlecage on the body...
What do you guys think?

Savos_Saren · January 2017

I'm using 5 heavy Kag (for sustain and damage), 5 Burning Spellweave (for crit and damge), and 2 Skoria (for "burst").

I don't know how you got a 5BR, 5Lich, 2Willpower, 2Skoria combo, though.

I know a lot of people have been suggesting Rattlecage and LIch/Desert Rose. Alteration Mastery looks sexy, too.

iseko · January 2017

5kags/rattlecage (some people dont like rattle but on mDK I feel I need 20 skills and only have 10 slots. Freeing one up is awesome...)

5 lich. It is going to be nice in next update with the new cDB. Your magicka goes down to 30% or so. Lich procs. Infinite maqgicka and effective cDB heals.

Ilambris, grothdar, bloodspawn. Most people don't like ilambris. I like it on mDK because perma-rooting is what we do. Ilambris is nice in combo...

Either double S&B, 2 sharpened/impen willpower front bar, 2 lich backbar defending/impen.
OR: 2lich front bar sharpend/impen, 1 lich resto backbar (shield ulti + resto bar blocking for magicka sustain/healing ward?)

I think I prefere 2 s&b though.

In CP-campaign: reduce magicka cost through CP, breton, 1LA and if need be jewelry glyphs. In non CP: breton, 2LA, 1 or 2 magicka reduction cost glyphs.

I don't think this will be OP. But it's fairly easy to get gear and will get the job done?

DKsUnite · January 2017

Going to run 5 kags 5 bsw 2 bloodspawn initially

psychotic13 · January 2017

jaburns wrote: »

I'm using 5 heavy Kag (for sustain and damage), 5 Burning Spellweave (for crit and damge), and 2 Skoria (for "burst").

I don't know how you got a 5BR, 5Lich, 2Willpower, 2Skoria combo, though.

I know a lot of people have been suggesting Rattlecage and LIch/Desert Rose. Alteration Mastery looks sexy, too.

I would imagine he means to have x3 lich front bar and proc it with back bar SnB or something?

Jormasaurus · January 2017

5x BSW + something with sustain most likely

Quickline · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

I'm using 5 heavy Kag (for sustain and damage), 5 Burning Spellweave (for crit and damge), and 2 Skoria (for "burst").

I don't know how you got a 5BR, 5Lich, 2Willpower, 2Skoria combo, though.

I know a lot of people have been suggesting Rattlecage and LIch/Desert Rose. Alteration Mastery looks sexy, too.

I would imagine he means to have x3 lich front bar and proc it with back bar SnB or something?

exactly

Quickline · January 2017

Jormasaurus wrote: »

5x BSW + something with sustain most likely

so you will run light armor jorma?

Mustard · January 2017

DKsUnite wrote: »

Going to run 5 kags 5 bsw 2 bloodspawn initially

Does BSW outperform Spinners?

Jormasaurus · January 2017

Quickline wrote: »

Jormasaurus wrote: »

5x BSW + something with sustain most likely

so you will run light armor jorma?

I don't think so, I'll definitely give destro a shot though.

Ishammael · January 2017

Mustard wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Going to run 5 kags 5 bsw 2 bloodspawn initially

Does BSW outperform Spinners?

Considering that the new cdb heal scales with dmg, yes.

I think a good setup for mDK would be BSW+Rattle+BS.
Or something simpler like BSW+Seducer.

DKsUnite · January 2017

Mustard wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Going to run 5 kags 5 bsw 2 bloodspawn initially

Does BSW outperform Spinners?

Considering there are alot of shelds in cyrodiil and that SD can be multiplied whereas penetration cannot, yes it does. And like ish said, coag now scales off SD.

AverageJo3Gam3r · January 2017

I think 1HS+destro will be the new meta for open world. 5 Sun+5 black rose for me, just because I can't be bothered to farm for a sharpened BSW weapon.

Savos_Saren · January 2017

DKsUnite wrote: »

Mustard wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Going to run 5 kags 5 bsw 2 bloodspawn initially

Does BSW outperform Spinners?

Considering there are alot of shelds in cyrodiil and that SD can be multiplied whereas penetration cannot, yes it does. And like ish said, coag now scales off SD.

@DKsUnite

I haven't tested cDB yet- but I still can't get over my Burning Embers heals. I feel that they're very powerful and add a bit of damage to the mix... especially if you're using igneous shields.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

While it definitely got nerfed, I am not deconing my desert rose just yet. Rattlecage is also going to be really tough to drop, as DKs need all the bar space they can get. I think rattlecage/desert rose will still be pretty strong next patch with double sword and board.

I do want to incorporate a destro staff though I thnk. I have been having success in IC with a front bar VMA staff, lich jewelry and back bar sword and board and rattle cage body, plus a monster set.

I have also thought about using two regen single monster set pieces and running all regen on jewelry then doing rattlecage and BSW. You would get about much regen as lich gives you on average, and I think your spell damage would be pretty high. I think I have pieces to make this work now, might try it before patch.

iseko · January 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

While it definitely got nerfed, I am not deconing my desert rose just yet. Rattlecage is also going to be really tough to drop, as DKs need all the bar space they can get. I think rattlecage/desert rose will still be pretty strong next patch with double sword and board.

I do want to incorporate a destro staff though I thnk. I have been having success in IC with a front bar VMA staff, lich jewelry and back bar sword and board and rattle cage body, plus a monster set.

I have also thought about using two regen single monster set pieces and running all regen on jewelry then doing rattlecage and BSW. You would get about much regen as lich gives you on average, and I think your spell damage would be pretty high. I think I have pieces to make this work now, might try it before patch.

They nerfed it from the equivalent of 4.4k mag regen (if you get hit alot) to about 800 mag regen if you git hit a lot. Not saying that is bad. But the fact that you need to be outnumbered and pounded on to get 800 mag regen... Not worth it. If it was 2 or 3 sec cooldown maybe. Or increased proc chance with 4 sec cooldown. But now... Nope.

Quickline · January 2017

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

I think 1HS+destro will be the new meta for open world. 5 Sun+5 black rose for me, just because I can't be bothered to farm for a sharpened BSW weapon.

I will run blackrose, burning spellweave and skoria or bloodspawn. S&B and backbar destro staff

Lexxypwns · January 2017

5 seducer 2 slimecraw 5 BsW

Calboy · January 2017

I'll run rattlecage/br with sun/spinners. The extra slot is so so good because dk has too many important skills to slot. It's also a QOL set as I don't have to worry about buffing up esp after a gank.

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Going to run 5 BSW rings/neck
Sword and shield front bar

5 heavy seducer

2 grothdarr light/medium

1 frost staff back bar

Savos_Saren · January 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Going to run 5 BSW rings/neck
Sword and shield front bar

5 heavy seducer

2 grothdarr light/medium

1 frost staff back bar

Hmmmmm- you know, just thinking about how they made the frost staff for tanking- I'm wondering if Ice Furnace is going to become a thing. A DK should benefit from the flame AOE proc, too.

Lexxypwns · January 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Going to run 5 BSW rings/neck
Sword and shield front bar

5 heavy seducer

2 grothdarr light/medium

1 frost staff back bar

Seducer is just too good to pass up when DK has such high uptime on BSW

EldritchPenguin · January 2017

jaburns wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Going to run 5 BSW rings/neck
Sword and shield front bar

5 heavy seducer

2 grothdarr light/medium

1 frost staff back bar

Hmmmmm- you know, just thinking about how they made the frost staff for tanking- I'm wondering if Ice Furnace is going to become a thing. A DK should benefit from the flame AOE proc, too.

I don't really see that happening unless we get an ice DoT that we can apply reliably to players. Sure, it could potentially add a lot of damage to something like Eye of Frost, but aside from that, Ice Furnace still seems pretty weak between the lack of strong offensive ice spells and the low damage on the proc itself.

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Going to run 5 BSW rings/neck
Sword and shield front bar

5 heavy seducer

2 grothdarr light/medium

1 frost staff back bar

Seducer is just too good to pass up when DK has such high uptime on BSW

I tried a lot of the heavy sets that mdk use like kags rattlecage desert rose even shalk but that 8% reduce cost from seducer plus 16% from cp is the only way I found to help lower the cost of our super high cost spells. I know there is probably better set ups then the one I use but it works well for me any other set up I feel like I'm out of magic after a few skills and waiting for the ult and potion to be off cool down

psychotic13 · January 2017

You guys recommend lich or seducer?

I'm thinking DW/Resto

x5 Lich (resto/waist and jewellery)
x4 Elfbane
x2 Grothdarr
x2 willpower (DW swords)

Also how much regen do you guys aim for in heavy?

iseko · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

You guys recommend lich or seducer?

I'm thinking DW/Resto

x5 Lich (resto/waist and jewellery)
x4 Elfbane
x2 Grothdarr
x2 willpower (DW swords)

Also how much regen do you guys aim for in heavy?

Seducer is good for obvious reasons. Lich is good to get down to low magicka and still have a lot of mag available (reason this is good is because of cDB changes)

Seducer is up 100% of the time. Lich has a 40s downtime. So in really long fights lich will not sustain you.

If you mistform during a lich proc you are screwing yourself.

I think 5 seducer + bsw + 2 bloodspawn/grothdar would be better/easier overall.

FloppyTouch · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

You guys recommend lich or seducer?

I'm thinking DW/Resto

x5 Lich (resto/waist and jewellery)
x4 Elfbane
x2 Grothdarr
x2 willpower (DW swords)

Also how much regen do you guys aim for in heavy?

Regen what's that I play mdk? lol I think unbuffed from potions I'm at 900. To sustain I use potions and ult that's why I like seducer lower the cost of abilities really helps XD

psychotic13 · January 2017

iseko wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

You guys recommend lich or seducer?

I'm thinking DW/Resto

x5 Lich (resto/waist and jewellery)
x4 Elfbane
x2 Grothdarr
x2 willpower (DW swords)

Also how much regen do you guys aim for in heavy?

Seducer is good for obvious reasons. Lich is good to get down to low magicka and still have a lot of mag available (reason this is good is because of cDB changes)

Seducer is up 100% of the time. Lich has a 40s downtime. So in really long fights lich will not sustain you.

If you mistform during a lich proc you are screwing yourself.

I think 5 seducer + bsw + 2 bloodspawn/grothdar would be better/easier overall.

Good point you raise about lich and mist form, though I'll probably try both set ups and see what I prefer. The thing that puts me off BSW is the huge grind to get the perfect weapons in perfect trait.

And I thought they changed cDB to scale from max magicka and spell damage now, not your missing magicka?

How much regen does everyone run with heavy?

Last thing I wanted opinions on, is resto a necessity anymore? Is cDB good enough to drop the resto? I'm thinking if I went say DW/SnB I could use x5 lich x4 Elfbane x3willpower and x2 monster set (proc'ing lich from the back bar)

Lexxypwns · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

You guys recommend lich or seducer?

I'm thinking DW/Resto

x5 Lich (resto/waist and jewellery)
x4 Elfbane
x2 Grothdarr
x2 willpower (DW swords)

Also how much regen do you guys aim for in heavy?

Seducer has more overall sustain and is available in heavy, this makes using seducer+BSW possible in heavy armor

FloppyTouch · January 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

You guys recommend lich or seducer?

I'm thinking DW/Resto

x5 Lich (resto/waist and jewellery)
x4 Elfbane
x2 Grothdarr
x2 willpower (DW swords)

Also how much regen do you guys aim for in heavy?

Seducer is good for obvious reasons. Lich is good to get down to low magicka and still have a lot of mag available (reason this is good is because of cDB changes)

Seducer is up 100% of the time. Lich has a 40s downtime. So in really long fights lich will not sustain you.

If you mistform during a lich proc you are screwing yourself.

I think 5 seducer + bsw + 2 bloodspawn/grothdar would be better/easier overall.

Good point you raise about lich and mist form, though I'll probably try both set ups and see what I prefer. The thing that puts me off BSW is the huge grind to get the perfect weapons in perfect trait.

And I thought they changed cDB to scale from max magicka and spell damage now, not your missing magicka?

How much regen does everyone run with heavy?

Last thing I wanted opinions on, is resto a necessity anymore? Is cDB good enough to drop the resto? I'm thinking if I went say DW/SnB I could use x5 lich x4 Elfbane x3willpower and x2 monster set (proc'ing lich from the back bar)

I only use a restro is duels back bar but in pvp I never use one inhale embers is my main heal

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

iseko wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

While it definitely got nerfed, I am not deconing my desert rose just yet. Rattlecage is also going to be really tough to drop, as DKs need all the bar space they can get. I think rattlecage/desert rose will still be pretty strong next patch with double sword and board.

I do want to incorporate a destro staff though I thnk. I have been having success in IC with a front bar VMA staff, lich jewelry and back bar sword and board and rattle cage body, plus a monster set.

I have also thought about using two regen single monster set pieces and running all regen on jewelry then doing rattlecage and BSW. You would get about much regen as lich gives you on average, and I think your spell damage would be pretty high. I think I have pieces to make this work now, might try it before patch.

They nerfed it from the equivalent of 4.4k mag regen (if you get hit alot) to about 800 mag regen if you git hit a lot. Not saying that is bad. But the fact that you need to be outnumbered and pounded on to get 800 mag regen... Not worth it. If it was 2 or 3 sec cooldown maybe. Or increased proc chance with 4 sec cooldown. But now... Nope.

I think the math is a little off. Gold tool tip is 2408 I believe. So on cooldown, its 4816 regen as regen is measured every 2 seconds. Which means post nerf the most you will get is 1204 regen. So yes, its a 75% nerf on max level. In my experience however, getting this thing to proc on cooldown is not realistic unless you are being run over by a zerg train, in which case, you are probably dead anyway.

The real question is how much are you going to feel it in small man stuff, 1v3-4 are 4v 8-10, that sort of thing. That's what I like to play on my DK. Again, not going to decon it just yet. I want to see how it plays out. Dont get me wrong, I think they went way to far on this one, but I dont think its a throw away set.

For Comparison, lets say you are getting hit 3 times a second (1-2 people can easily do this to you). It should proc every 6-7 seconds. If its 6 seconds, 2408/3 is regen of approx 802. If its 7 seconds, 2408/3.5 is 688. If its every 8 seconds, then it's dead even with Lich, which gives on average 602 if you proc on cooldown (not exactly realistic). It is still going to be decent (I hope).