Couple things though. It should be a toggle and they should be inside or just beneath the health bar to keep from cluttering the UI. I'm not sure I'd use it but I could see it being useful for some.

But then people would see how badly I'm managing my magicka! :'(

This would be super useful information.

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

Liofa wrote: »

Would be nice I guess . I am kinda tired of seeing 90% of the orbs I sent disappearing on their own without being popped .

Also would make things unnecessarily easy , that is one drawback I guess .

I consider difficulty through obscurity to be faux difficulty, usually the hallmark of simple games with simple tuning.

Provide full information to all players without the need for add-ons, and more complex mechanics can be incorporated into more tightly tuned encounters that truly push players to perform at near peak levels.

Otherwise mechanics and tuning have to be simple and forgiving enough to allow for the lack of information provided.

For newer players like myself I cant always tell if someone is Stam based or Magic based. If the whole party happens to be Magic I will make extra effort to keep Ele drain on and also pop it on multiple targets. It would be so much easier for healers or Tanks or anyone to tell what their groups need and want.

I like the idea of adding information then making content more difficult, not removing information to make the content difficult. As @Dawnblade said.

Having the Proc sets Crit nerfed in PVE could possibly be completely offset by adding simple UI info like this.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

A toggle? Most of the things implemented are toggles. And these are the same game, no need in making them different.

As long as both games are still getting updates they should remain the same. There really is no logical reason as to why the game should be different on 1 platform.

alexkdd99 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

A toggle? Most of the things implemented are toggles. And these are the same game, no need in making them different.

As long as both games are still getting updates they should remain the same. There really is no logical reason as to why the game should be different on 1 platform.

@alexkdd99

Toggles or not both are already very different with different capabilities and for the sake of discussion if you or anyone isn't on Xbox one I'm open to whatever you all want.

I also understand there are people on consoles who definitely would say yes or toggle only or whatever. I'm just sharing that the UI has had a lot of additions and honestly I'd be more open to if both PC and console UIs were exactly the same.

Then it's a different conversation but see on console you can't adjust the size, placement scale, effects, etc.

When you say toggle for console you're saying
On/off

Everything is already so huge and invasive that it's too
Much.

I actually want to see the dang game and not bars, numbers and pop-ups for hours.

Just my point of view from having both PC and Xbox One.

Nickernator wrote: »

For PvE:

Yes, it will be very useful for healers.

For PvP:

No, if you can see if someone is out of stamina or magicka, then you will know you can beat him. Can be exploited pretty badly.

Solution: Make it so only allies can see it, not your enemies

In PVP it would absolutely be for allies only.

The actual UI bar that follows the character would remain unchanged. This would be for groups only. Small groups you get an addition bar or bars just under your health bar, for large groups you get an additional bar or bars inside of your health bar sense it's larger and could accommodate it.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

So because you want to be oblivious to whats happening you want your entire platform to suffer? More information is a good thing, allows for more efficient completion of group content.

@Ghost-Shot

No ones oblivious on console. We all talk cause it's voice ingame or via the console in addition to having text chat. It's unnecessary to have more crap on the screens.

It's a different environment and pace

@NewBlacksmurf It's not unnecessary though, there are plenty of situations where coms need to be kept as clear as possible so important calls can be made and heard by the team. vMol for example, all 3 boss fights need a good raid lead making appropriate calls, especially for groups in progress mode. In group pvp, small or large, you have someone timing proxies and ult dumps or calling focus targets. When you have people calling out for orbs or shards to keep resources up, it clutters coms and creates problems, this is an easy solution that has no downside. Even if you feel you don't need it, what could possibly be the downside?

@Ghost-Shot

It's completely unnecessary.
It's at best a preference and just additional info

I can also tell you. Console is VERY different than PC whether it be Trials or PvP.
It's different by design from the developers of both the game UI and the console itself.

The people many times are similar and the same but if you and I were in a trial on PC and temhen you joined me on console...the only similarities would be the fight is the same. The talk and convos are drastically different.

Imagine playing in trials 100% vanilla in the gamepad UI with no mouse, no keyboard, medium graphics and no add-ons or alt tab to option for anything you may run while gaming


It's just different and I can relate having done both

I asked you what the downside is to having more info, and I would hardly call more info unnecessary, but if you are not arguing for the sake of arguing, what is the downside? What negative effect would seeing the stamina and magicka pools of group members have on the game?

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

So because you want to be oblivious to whats happening you want your entire platform to suffer? More information is a good thing, allows for more efficient completion of group content.

@Ghost-Shot

No ones oblivious on console. We all talk cause it's voice ingame or via the console in addition to having text chat. It's unnecessary to have more crap on the screens.

It's a different environment and pace

@NewBlacksmurf It's not unnecessary though, there are plenty of situations where coms need to be kept as clear as possible so important calls can be made and heard by the team. vMol for example, all 3 boss fights need a good raid lead making appropriate calls, especially for groups in progress mode. In group pvp, small or large, you have someone timing proxies and ult dumps or calling focus targets. When you have people calling out for orbs or shards to keep resources up, it clutters coms and creates problems, this is an easy solution that has no downside. Even if you feel you don't need it, what could possibly be the downside?

@Ghost-Shot

It's completely unnecessary.
It's at best a preference and just additional info

I can also tell you. Console is VERY different than PC whether it be Trials or PvP.
It's different by design from the developers of both the game UI and the console itself.

The people many times are similar and the same but if you and I were in a trial on PC and temhen you joined me on console...the only similarities would be the fight is the same. The talk and convos are drastically different.

Imagine playing in trials 100% vanilla in the gamepad UI with no mouse, no keyboard, medium graphics and no add-ons or alt tab to option for anything you may run while gaming


It's just different and I can relate having done both

I asked you what the downside is to having more info, and I would hardly call more info unnecessary, but if you are not arguing for the sake of arguing, what is the downside? What negative effect would seeing the stamina and magicka pools of group members have on the game?

@Ghost-Shot

Need - can't do without
Necessary - a need

It's not needed or necessary it's a desire and that's cool but it's not for me. I'm not interested in all the junk on the screen now cause it's been very intuitive without all the stuff even before console released.

The downside doesn't matter cause you and whomever want something and I don't.
The negative impact however was already answered previously.

When you add UI stuff you divide players because some will and some won't so what happens is people choose to exclude or seperate into groups like today

The text chat group
The voice chat only group
The SCT and health bar group
The elite jerks group
Etc.

That what more and extra unnecessary info creates. It is what it is.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

So because you want to be oblivious to whats happening you want your entire platform to suffer? More information is a good thing, allows for more efficient completion of group content.

@Ghost-Shot

No ones oblivious on console. We all talk cause it's voice ingame or via the console in addition to having text chat. It's unnecessary to have more crap on the screens.

It's a different environment and pace

@NewBlacksmurf It's not unnecessary though, there are plenty of situations where coms need to be kept as clear as possible so important calls can be made and heard by the team. vMol for example, all 3 boss fights need a good raid lead making appropriate calls, especially for groups in progress mode. In group pvp, small or large, you have someone timing proxies and ult dumps or calling focus targets. When you have people calling out for orbs or shards to keep resources up, it clutters coms and creates problems, this is an easy solution that has no downside. Even if you feel you don't need it, what could possibly be the downside?

@Ghost-Shot

It's completely unnecessary.
It's at best a preference and just additional info

I can also tell you. Console is VERY different than PC whether it be Trials or PvP.
It's different by design from the developers of both the game UI and the console itself.

The people many times are similar and the same but if you and I were in a trial on PC and temhen you joined me on console...the only similarities would be the fight is the same. The talk and convos are drastically different.

Imagine playing in trials 100% vanilla in the gamepad UI with no mouse, no keyboard, medium graphics and no add-ons or alt tab to option for anything you may run while gaming


It's just different and I can relate having done both

I asked you what the downside is to having more info, and I would hardly call more info unnecessary, but if you are not arguing for the sake of arguing, what is the downside? What negative effect would seeing the stamina and magicka pools of group members have on the game?

@Ghost-Shot

Need - can't do without
Necessary - a need

It's not needed or necessary it's a desire and that's cool but it's not for me. I'm not interested in all the junk on the screen now cause it's been very intuitive without all the stuff even before console released.

The downside doesn't matter cause you and whomever want something and I don't.
The negative impact however was already answered previously.

When you add UI stuff you divide players because some will and some won't so what happens is people choose to exclude or seperate into groups like today

The text chat group
The voice chat only group
The SCT and health bar group
The elite jerks group
Etc.

That what more and extra unnecessary info creates. It is what it is.

Ok so you don't like and therefore want nobody to have it? Your world and we're just living in it right? No one knows if you have sct on btw and playing without group hp bars just seems dumb.

And you guys really need to stop complaining about the "elite jerks", casuals rarely get to interact with actual elite players because elite players tend to play with other elite players. You are confusing try hard scrubs who think they're elite for actual elite players and there is a big difference. Just because that guy payed one of our guilds a few million to carry him though vmaw to get that skin doesn't mean he's good, most of those are the type who when they die, we don't res them because its easier if they stay down.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My point of view.

I think we're at a point where different platforms should just be flat out different. Even more than before.

For PC...I get it cause it's what many are use to. I'm not in favor of it nor do I even use the life bars, name, etc. sometimes I don't even use SCT it's just the environment, the visuals and me

For Xbox one
-No.
here's what's happening. The game is being divided more and more by each UI change.

There's the you must turn on text chat folks
There's the you must use voice chat folks
There's the you need this and this on

Choices aren't good when the impacts are so broad. Personally I want ZOS to pick something and that's it.


This isn't some game changing idea but it does impact gameplay specifically because it's only for group play where it matters.

So because you want to be oblivious to whats happening you want your entire platform to suffer? More information is a good thing, allows for more efficient completion of group content.

@Ghost-Shot

No ones oblivious on console. We all talk cause it's voice ingame or via the console in addition to having text chat. It's unnecessary to have more crap on the screens.

It's a different environment and pace

@NewBlacksmurf It's not unnecessary though, there are plenty of situations where coms need to be kept as clear as possible so important calls can be made and heard by the team. vMol for example, all 3 boss fights need a good raid lead making appropriate calls, especially for groups in progress mode. In group pvp, small or large, you have someone timing proxies and ult dumps or calling focus targets. When you have people calling out for orbs or shards to keep resources up, it clutters coms and creates problems, this is an easy solution that has no downside. Even if you feel you don't need it, what could possibly be the downside?

@Ghost-Shot

It's completely unnecessary.
It's at best a preference and just additional info

I can also tell you. Console is VERY different than PC whether it be Trials or PvP.
It's different by design from the developers of both the game UI and the console itself.

The people many times are similar and the same but if you and I were in a trial on PC and temhen you joined me on console...the only similarities would be the fight is the same. The talk and convos are drastically different.

Imagine playing in trials 100% vanilla in the gamepad UI with no mouse, no keyboard, medium graphics and no add-ons or alt tab to option for anything you may run while gaming


It's just different and I can relate having done both

I asked you what the downside is to having more info, and I would hardly call more info unnecessary, but if you are not arguing for the sake of arguing, what is the downside? What negative effect would seeing the stamina and magicka pools of group members have on the game?

@Ghost-Shot

Need - can't do without
Necessary - a need

It's not needed or necessary it's a desire and that's cool but it's not for me. I'm not interested in all the junk on the screen now cause it's been very intuitive without all the stuff even before console released.

The downside doesn't matter cause you and whomever want something and I don't.
The negative impact however was already answered previously.

When you add UI stuff you divide players because some will and some won't so what happens is people choose to exclude or seperate into groups like today

The text chat group
The voice chat only group
The SCT and health bar group
The elite jerks group
Etc.

That what more and extra unnecessary info creates. It is what it is.

Ok so you don't like and therefore want nobody to have it? Your world and we're just living in it right? No one knows if you have sct on btw and playing without group hp bars just seems dumb.

And you guys really need to stop complaining about the "elite jerks", casuals rarely get to interact with actual elite players because elite players tend to play with other elite players. You are confusing try hard scrubs who think they're elite for actual elite players and there is a big difference. Just because that guy payed one of our guilds a few million to carry him though vmaw to get that skin doesn't mean he's good, most of those are the type who when they die, we don't res them because its easier if they stay down.

@Ghost-Shot

Please stop. Scroll up and read

I did...

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's not needed or necessary it's a desire and that's cool but it's not for me. I'm not interested in all the junk on the screen now cause it's been very intuitive without all the stuff even before console released.

The downside doesn't matter cause you and whomever want something and I don't.
The negative impact however was already answered previously.