ZOS cuddles elite players and ignores the rest
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
its always when your trying to teleport to dung when someone esle who was just kicked from group is still in dung, you just need to wait until on serwers will be info this kicked guy was finally removed from this instance0 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭pffff, ahahaha
It's a bugfix, stopping people from abusing an otherwise highly difficult encounter for easy loot and achievements. Fixing that isn't in favor of "elite" players, it's in favor of ZOS saving their already-shoddy image in terms of game health.
All this equating of issues into "casual" v.s. "elite" on the forums makes me sick. Stop now before we have the casual and elite parties, with intense and ultimately pointless contrarian arguments resulting in unsatisfactory change for both groups.
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭the 15 min penalty is not a bug (just an annoying addition). Group Finder disbanding groups as soon as they form is the bug. Not sure if it even happens on PC so that may be why some of the special snowflakes are spitting hate.1
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Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭Stop complaining and become an elite thenDragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh yeah.
Casuals are kicking other casuals in group finder.
Clearly thats "elites" fault!
Edited by LadyNalcarya on January 26, 2017 12:18PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Oh yeah.
Casuals are kicking other casuals in group finder.
Clearly thats "elites" fault!
meh worse that that, usually the ones kicking people are the ones who cannot admit they are the weak link because they been carried through content from higher skilled players.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
v160 swordsman (sorcerer)
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mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lol at all the people purposely opposing OP because they think they're "elite"
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »All this equating of issues into "casual" v.s. "elite" on the forums makes me sick. Stop now before we have the casual and elite parties, with intense and ultimately pointless contrarian arguments resulting in unsatisfactory change for both groups.
Casual vs Elites, PvE vs PvP, and Stamina vs Magicka.
Pretty much ESO forums in a nutshell"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
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✭If some people put as much time into learning their class/role as they do complaining about the ones that have, this "casual vs. elite" nonsense would be much less prevalent.
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Majic✭✭✭✭✭I could go on about the logical fallacy of complaining about ZOS not solving two different problems simultaneously, but in all honesty, I'm just here for the cuddles.Epopt Of The Everspinning Logo, Church Of The Eternal Loading Screen
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭how can anyone say that ZOS favors hard core players when they just made the game as casual friendly as you can get with 1T? It is easier now than it ever was to get a max character and end-game gear. If anything ZOS is ignoring had core players with their lack of end-game content. No new trials or dungeons, no new crafted sets and Cyrodil is a complete mess right now. None of the Patch Notes or "fixes" that I have seen so far even come close to addressing any of these issues2
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not an elite player, but I'm open to the idea of cuddles.I could go on about the logical fallacy of complaining about ZOS not solving two different problems simultaneously, but in all honesty, I'm just here for the cuddles.
I find the lack of cuddles in this topic disturbing."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
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✭✭Lol at all the people purposely opposing OP because they think they're "elite"
Get out of here the OP has a good point. ZOS fixing vMOL was surprisingly fast in comparison to other more important things
At least the game was kept live. Survey glitching cost us a whole day almost. I'm pretty sure the invisible wall was misplaced in pothole caverns. I always get stuck on that going down the 2nd hole.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
@raidentenshu_ESO
Nope. Woeler is correct.
Explains much since nMA is not challenging enough to be worthy of the special weapons. Well, they could make CP150 weapons drop in nMA but the would be a sick joke since it would be trash even if perfect trait.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Oh yeah.
Casuals are kicking other casuals in group finder.
Clearly thats "elites" fault!
meh worse that that, usually the ones kicking people are the ones who cannot admit they are the weak link because they been carried through content from higher skilled players.
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✭✭They listen to elite players because they know what they are talking about, and you don't. Because they actually worked for their vmol skin, and you didn't.
Also, look at the incoming patch. Take a close look at it and tell me how that patch affects elite players!PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.
You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.
Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.3 -
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✭✭They have turned the game play in this game into a completely brain dead activity and are continuing to simplify it, vMoL is literally the only difficult content this game has to offer, Rakkhat hard mode in particular is the only piece that is a challenge beyond what most people are capable of doing. How exactly is that catering to elites? Also, if a real elite player is in the group finder, they are there specifically to help new players. We have guilds, good guilds, with OP players, we don't need the group finder.Edited by Ghost-Shot on January 26, 2017 4:02PM9 -
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✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.
You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.
Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.
I'm going to keep this short and simple.
ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.
Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.1 -
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✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.
You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.
Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.
I'm going to keep this short and simple.
ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.
Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.
ZOS has fixed it fast, it was glitch witch was exploited by many player to get skin and title without any effor while normally it need skill and know tactics.
group finder is working as intendeed and people just dont like those 15 mins penalty, thats the main problem about people complain for being kicked from group lol0 -
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✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »They listen to elite players because they know what they are talking about, and you don't. Because they actually worked for their vmol skin, and you didn't.
Also, look at the incoming patch. Take a close look at it and tell me how that patch affects elite players!
You mean the same elites that ignored sharpened and nirnhoned over precise when it was all about crit crit crit crit. And high elf was supposedly immensely op to dunmer...then someone actually traidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.
You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.
Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.
I'm going to keep this short and simple.
ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.
Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.
Maybe people don't want to play with you?PC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭Pretty sure the timer was implemented for the casual community.raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.
How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?
It was the casual community that asked for the penalty timer in the first place. I suspect that most people that can finish vMoL would be okay with removing the penalty entirely.
As far as I can tell, the penalty is working as intended. People would pretend to be afk, troll, or be obnoxious in order to get kicked if getting kicked would let them skip the penalty.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.
You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.
Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.
I'm going to keep this short and simple.
ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.
Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.
Short and simple you still fail to understand the difference between that which is bugged and that which is exploited. The group finder is a means to an end, it's a convenient tool. It does not reward you with anything that isn't earned. And fyi it wasnt only "elites" complaining about the exploit. You don't alienate a portion of the players of you want to bring people to your cause. Maybe they are at a loss on the gf, or maybe it isn't as simple as putting an invisible wall in.
Not one person was arguing the point of how bad the gf has become. What people are arguing is the point that you have failed to acknowledge that the original post was in fact incorrect. Not only about the elite argument, but also in comparison to an exploit. Not one change in this game has been catered to any hardcore players, not in pve or pvp. In fact they have watered down the difficulty level so that anyone can do it without any skill, until you hit HM content on trials and dlc dungeons.
Bottom line gf is broken, yes. It's not being fixed fast enough for you, we get it. But in no way is that blame to be put on any group of players. In this regard you are just wrong.2 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭The ZOS devs have caved in to the casuals a long time ago...
if you think it's the other way around, you are either new or not paying attention
this game is the epitome of a casual mmo and is starting to lean a little heavy on the rpg side
there is nothing competitive in the game to be elitist about
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✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.
Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.
Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.
I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.
Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.
You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.
Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.
I'm going to keep this short and simple.
ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.
Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.
Short and simple you still fail to understand the difference between that which is bugged and that which is exploited. The group finder is a means to an end, it's a convenient tool. It does not reward you with anything that isn't earned. And fyi it wasnt only "elites" complaining about the exploit. You don't alienate a portion of the players of you want to bring people to your cause. Maybe they are at a loss on the gf, or maybe it isn't as simple as putting an invisible wall in.
Not one person was arguing the point of how bad the gf has become. What people are arguing is the point that you have failed to acknowledge that the original post was in fact incorrect. Not only about the elite argument, but also in comparison to an exploit. Not one change in this game has been catered to any hardcore players, not in pve or pvp. In fact they have watered down the difficulty level so that anyone can do it without any skill, until you hit HM content on trials and dlc dungeons.
Bottom line gf is broken, yes. It's not being fixed fast enough for you, we get it. But in no way is that blame to be put on any group of players. In this regard you are just wrong.
Bugs and exploits should both be treated with equal and should be given the same attention from the developers. It's been months if not a year since the developers did anything to resolve the bugs that are in the group finder. People are still complaining about the 15 min penalty and request to have it removed.
In the real world if I neglect doing my job I would be fired.0
