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Should we get reimbursed ESO+ days due to unplayable lag issues?

LordSarevok
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I can stream 4k video, play any other online game, and run a constant 50MB+ download speed. Yet all I get back is that it's my connection??? I want reimbursement for all the time it is unplayable. About to cancel 2 ESO+ memberships and move on...
  • Mojmir
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    No because unlike them we have to follow the ToS
  • LordSarevok
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    I play on PS4 are others experiencing this as well? It has crossed into the realm of rediculousness.
    Edited by LordSarevok on January 26, 2017 4:16AM
  • SydneyGrey
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    I play on the PC, and haven't had any lag at all. I have a really awesome graphics card, though, if that has anything to do with it.
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    Part 6 of there TOS https://www.zenimax.com/legal_terms_us you agreed to when starting the game.
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  • ThePonzzz
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    While the TOS is bulletproof in this regard. At times we've had some courtesies thrown our way. A few times, early on, we got free game time.
  • LordSarevok
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    Are there any tricks network wise to help eso?
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    In addition to sirston's post. While it would be nice, they're not obligated to do anything.
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  • Reikyce
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    If you live in a country with decent consumer protection, like most in the EU and i think Australia/NZ etc, the TOS holds little to no value its just a scare tactic.

    But you must go to court and few do.
  • kyle.wilson
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    Are there any tricks network wise to help eso?

    If you hold a massive magnet to the side of your network card, it'll supercharge it.

    Other than that. There are no tricks to fix the server issue.

  • Vajax
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    Yes, dungeons, trials and Maelstrom Arena have become unplayable recently due to the lag. I am experiencing this with none of my other online games. I'm on Playstation 4 by the way. I contacted customer support but as usual, their responses were unhelpful and refused to take any responsibility.
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    Stating the TOS is pointless ZoS can't afford to loss subs for a problem on their end that makes the game unplayable. If you have ever worked in customer service you know what I'm talking about. Even when te guess is dead ass wrong taking a small hit and pleasing a paying customer is far better then losing their business all together.

    In this case it would be worst. As he could cancel both subs and still play the game. So it would have the same server drain with less money to maintain them. A few free sub days will cost far less then losing a sizable number of paying customers.
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  • Pops_ND_Irish
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    I can stream 4k video, play any other online game, and run a constant 50MB+ download speed. Yet all I get back is that it's my connection??? I want reimbursement for all the time it is unplayable. About to cancel 2 ESO+ memberships and move on...

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  • jircris11
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    I have been subbed since p2p days. Honestly I do not expect anything back. As for then not being able to afford to lose subs.. Well have you considered how much they make of the crown store. My guild of 176 alone puts in 6k or more a month on crowns not to mention eso+ and we are light weights composited to some others I know of.
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  • Cadbury
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    Reikyce wrote: »
    If you live in a country with decent consumer protection, like most in the EU and i think Australia/NZ etc, the TOS holds little to no value its just a scare tactic.

    But you must go to court and few do.

    I'd love to meet a lawer who takes them to court.
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  • NewBlacksmurf
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    No. Maybe day's extended maybe but it's not been bad enough to justify more than 3 days
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  • Turelus
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    ThePonzzz wrote: »
    While the TOS is bulletproof in this regard. At times we've had some courtesies thrown our way. A few times, early on, we got free game time.

    The problem is if they do it once (again) then people will demand it every time.

    EVE Online once gave free SP when their servers were down for extended periods due to a DDoS attack. Now every time they have any extended downtime there are forums posts asking for free SP.

    It's a nice gesture from a company to compensate its players, but players are greedy and will then expect/demand it every single hiccup and then rage when it's not given.
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  • Keep_Door
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    No
  • Junipus
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    Stating the TOS is pointless ZoS can't afford to loss subs for a problem on their end that makes the game unplayable. If you have ever worked in customer service you know what I'm talking about. Even when te guess is dead ass wrong taking a small hit and pleasing a paying customer is far better then losing their business all together.

    In this case it would be worst. As he could cancel both subs and still play the game. So it would have the same server drain with less money to maintain them. A few free sub days will cost far less then losing a sizable number of paying customers.

    Working in CS means you're on the front line being nice to people. Your hands are tied with the amount of actual help you can give and anything above and beyond is normally at the CSR's discretion and if it's a common thing then subject to disciplinary procedures and/or dismissal.

    If you want to know more about what ZOS can and cannot afford to do regarding their customer base then you need to work in upper-middle management where you have the responsibility in managing expectation and a healthy bottom line while retaining as many customers as possible. Upper management make the decision on whether to adopt your decisions and lower management are tasked with undertaking the practical elements of your decisions.

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  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Nah.
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  • ADarklore
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    Reikyce wrote: »
    If you live in a country with decent consumer protection, like most in the EU and i think Australia/NZ etc, the TOS holds little to no value its just a scare tactic.

    But you must go to court and few do.

    I'd love to meet a lawer who takes them to court.

    Exactly! The most the person would get out of it is, "OK, here is your xx days of reimbursement" and lawyer turns to you and says, "Now you owe me $50K for representing you."
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  • Madness1
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    I can stream 4k video, play any other online game, and run a constant 50MB+ download speed. Yet all I get back is that it's my connection??? I want reimbursement for all the time it is unplayable. About to cancel 2 ESO+ memberships and move on...

    While I do thing the game does have it's problems, network ones included. The problem you've mentioned along with:
    I play on PS4 are others experiencing this as well? It has crossed into the realm of rediculousness.

    That's actually more of a console issue. Both consoles have network issues that just doesn't exist on PC, I would go into it but even I'm not 100!% qualified to say. Though I do know people who know what they're talking about in this regaard,and by all regards that's the issue. In other words blame PSN/XBL.
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  • Prof_Bawbag
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    If anyone really does feel strongly about being reimbursed over the recent issues, then rather than talking legal nonsense, simply unsub or don't renew. I know I stopped subbing when I thought I wasn't getting what it stated I would get when I took out the sub in good faith.
    Edited by Prof_Bawbag on January 26, 2017 3:06PM
  • Lord_Eomer
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    No reimbursement!
  • robertthebard
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    Stating the TOS is pointless ZoS can't afford to loss subs for a problem on their end that makes the game unplayable. If you have ever worked in customer service you know what I'm talking about. Even when te guess is dead ass wrong taking a small hit and pleasing a paying customer is far better then losing their business all together.

    In this case it would be worst. As he could cancel both subs and still play the game. So it would have the same server drain with less money to maintain them. A few free sub days will cost far less then losing a sizable number of paying customers.

    No, that's wrong. Because taking that "small hit" sets a precedence, and then you find yourself taking so many of those "small hits" that you can't keep the lights on.
  • Prof_Bawbag
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    Yeah, God forbid anyone should ever side with their fellow consumers. This thread is a perfect example of why the gaming industry gets away with releasing half assed services and at times, games. It's also why PvP has been the shambles It's been for what seems an eternity. Too many apologists all too eager to defend ZoS and *** on their fellow gamers. Always the consumer that's the entitled ***, never the company/corp providing the service.

    Poor little ZoS, who only make enough coppers to scrap by, led by some back street outfit called Bethesda, whom are both attached to those paupers Zenimax Media. Enough to bring a tear to a glass eye. A lot of people would do well remembering ZoS aren't doing anyone on here any favours, it's us that are doing them the favour. If no one buys ESO, it doesn't affect me or the next guy/gal, it only affects those who rely on it to make a living.

    I fully appreciate I will get pelters for the above statement because I also fully appreciate the entire thing is an alien concept to many people nowadays. Like i said in a previous post, if people do feel they deserve some sort of recompense, rather than spending your time pissing in the wind arguing the toss on here with people who will defend poor service at any cost, merely cancel your sub.
  • andreasranasen
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    Lies. You CAN get refunded for ESO+. Contact SONY costumer support. Only works on PS4.
    Edited by andreasranasen on January 26, 2017 4:03PM
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  • Cadbury
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    Lies. You CAN get refunded for ESO+. Contact SONY costumer support. Only works on PS4.

    Score one for us console folk
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  • olivesforge
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    ADarklore wrote: »
    Cadbury wrote: »
    Reikyce wrote: »
    If you live in a country with decent consumer protection, like most in the EU and i think Australia/NZ etc, the TOS holds little to no value its just a scare tactic.

    But you must go to court and few do.

    I'd love to meet a lawer who takes them to court.

    Exactly! The most the person would get out of it is, "OK, here is your xx days of reimbursement" and lawyer turns to you and says, "Now you owe me $50K for representing you."

    A lawyer would love to get paid money just to point you all to the part where you agreed that "You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever."

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  • andreasranasen
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    Back in November I got 2 months of ESO+ refunded from SONY due to the game being unplayable for days. Also if you live in California you have the full right to ask for a refund.
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