ZOS cuddles elite players and ignores the rest

Stopnaggin · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

You do realize one is intended to discourage a certain behavior and the other is in fact a bug. Had you just said the 15 min penalty is dumb you would have no arguments from most in here, but by stating this was because of elites you have strated an argument you can't win. Nothing in this game has been implemented because of top tier players. Actually if anything it's the complete opposite, it was the casuals that were asking for a penalty so they wouldn't be left out by better players.

NeillMcAttack · January 2017

I'd like to add actually.
ZOS must have the data on the disaster that is the group finder. I'd love to know the success rate of PUG's in dungeons, and how many times the group was shuffled to complete said dungeons, if at all. It must be plain as day that there are major issues in this part of the game.

NeillMcAttack · January 2017

Stopnaggin wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

You do realize one is intended to discourage a certain behavior and the other is in fact a bug. Had you just said the 15 min penalty is dumb you would have no arguments from most in here, but by stating this was because of elites you have strated an argument you can't win. Nothing in this game has been implemented because of top tier players. Actually if anything it's the complete opposite, it was the casuals that were asking for a penalty so they wouldn't be left out by better players.

The group finder is bugged though. There are times when it instantly disbands after a group is gathered. Leaving players with the complete 15 mins to twiddle their thumbs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

In other news, want to fix group finder? Give decent rewards for max CP players that successfully fill utility roles (tank and healer). 99% of pugs queue as a DPS. I have never waited more than about 60 seconds when I queue as a tank.

All the penalty boxes in the world arent going to help (or hurt) a group of low CP pugs that have never run a dungeon before and dont understand their role. Make it worth my time to tank/heal these things and I would do it a lot more. Give me a decent healer, and we could carry 2 absolutely terrible DPS through just about anything. There are only a handful of dungeons with true DPS checks.

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

You do realize one is intended to discourage a certain behavior and the other is in fact a bug. Had you just said the 15 min penalty is dumb you would have no arguments from most in here, but by stating this was because of elites you have strated an argument you can't win. Nothing in this game has been implemented because of top tier players. Actually if anything it's the complete opposite, it was the casuals that were asking for a penalty so they wouldn't be left out by better players.

The group finder is bugged though. There are times when it instantly disbands after a group is gathered. Leaving players with the complete 15 mins to twiddle their thumbs.

ZOS still haven't fixed that bug yet. You can spend hours waiting for a group to find out that once it gathers you're instantly kicked and getting the 15 min group finder penalty.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Well, it's not fair to say that ZOS catered to elitist tears! It's also not fair to say that because of casuals the game is now "mouth drool mode" (though it's kinda funny).

Firstly, of course ZOS jumped to patch this. Who knows how long it will be that VMOL is the only challenging content in the game left for the self proclaimed "elitists" (aka. People that have played 100x more then the average). They need this content to mean something, an MMO without challenging goals to reach or gear to collect is doomed.

Saying that, the un-sympathetic here should realize that "casuals" (aka. Players that have 100x less experience than others) want to participate in challenging content also. Right now the group finder is a deterrent to progress and is likely pushing many players outside the game and elsewhere. Just because you yourself haven't pugged in a year doesn't mean others aren't trying to complete content.

The group finder needs attention, desperately. It may be a case that ZOS feel they have spent enough time tryin to fix this system many times in the past and can't justify for themselves because people will always be twands and issues are inevitable, and maybe they are right.

All I know is that right now, the almost sole reason people get kicked is because players want an easy ride with little effort. The responsibility is on ZOS right now to help the casuals learn how to perform in group content or lose players. They need to up the CP requirement to queue for DLC dungeons. They need to be on a seperate plateau for the others in terms of random dungeon finder. And they need to implement tutorials to players on what is required of certain roles accessed at the undaunted enclave.

I have never kicked any casual players as I am the in between player, I can do HM am vet dungeons. I don't play 8 hours a day but maybe 8 a week. There are many examples of them cutting difficulty across the board so yeah it has been made easier. Some was necessary because we need fresh blood to keep the game alive. Is the gf broken, yes and no, it works but what it doesn't account for is player skill. I never though I would say this but there should be a wall to certain content, just because someone can face roll a normal dungeons doesn't mean they are ready for vet.

I agree there is no real tutorial on how to be effective with any class. It's is much trial and error. Battle spirit doesn't help either, they now have a false sense of security when trying vet content.

Not being un-sympathetic but the OP and people like him are the reasons we have a casual vs elite argument. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Why does everyone have to be in some catagory? And it goes both ways their are top tier players who are just as ignorant. They blame casual players for the dumbing down of the game so I'm not going to single out either group.

Zos is in a lose lose situation with the gf, keep it people get pissed for having to wait 15 min, get rid of it and other will poss and moan because theres no penalty. If it were me I would ditch it and work toward something better that groups people with somewhat equal skill levels, maybe add an in between skill level for dungeons and trials.

bigmamajama · January 2017

One is easier to fix than the other, its not that they at "cuddling" anyone. Its more like resolving as many of the easily resolvable problems as soon as you can while your working on the larger more complex ones.

geonsocal · January 2017

what's wrong with showing a little love to those elite players:

we all can use a good coddling every now and then...

Stopnaggin · January 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

You do realize one is intended to discourage a certain behavior and the other is in fact a bug. Had you just said the 15 min penalty is dumb you would have no arguments from most in here, but by stating this was because of elites you have strated an argument you can't win. Nothing in this game has been implemented because of top tier players. Actually if anything it's the complete opposite, it was the casuals that were asking for a penalty so they wouldn't be left out by better players.

The group finder is bugged though. There are times when it instantly disbands after a group is gathered. Leaving players with the complete 15 mins to twiddle their thumbs.

I know it has its problems but how does that equate to fixing an exploit that was giving people a reward without earning it? Besides that the fact that people can still group and do said content. I run pugs everyday some go smooth some dont. But I can do that content without using the gf. An exploit is far more worrisome for me. I like to earn any titles and skins, don't have the dromathra skin yet, I could have gotten it with the expoit but that's just cheap.

Which are we going to discuss because one is not like the other and blaming a certain portion of the player base doesn't help anyone's argument.

disintegr8 · January 2017

I disagree completely with the OP - the game has been getting easier and easier for new players to progress, lessening the challenges and incentives for experienced players to do a lot of the content.

ZOS has been nerfing things left, right and centre, because less experienced players have complained that this boss is too hard or that dungeon is too hard. The removal of vet ranks means that people now fly from level 1 to CP160 in the blink of an eye, even without one of the many festivals running or using crown gem bought experience pots.

The exploit fix was obviously something they found and could apply without shutting anything down and with little or no disruption to the game. I only wish there were more fixes that could be done like this.

I think that the penalty needs to go from group finder. It was a poorly thought out change that has not fulfilled its prime objective - having pugs stay together to complete the dungeon.

Be aware though that it was only introduced because new players complained about experienced players leaving their groups and re-queuing straight away. They were left struggling to find a group to run the dungeon with. Now it has come back to bight them because they are the ones getting kicked and paying the penalty.

Goes to show, be careful what you wish for, as it may come back yo bight you.

Cencewolf · January 2017

Yeah,..

Game isnt easy enough,.. Please make it easier...

Any way to get free CP/Exp when not logged in? Oh there already is?.. Well.. ***..
Not really sure what else they could do to make it "mouth-drool" mode...

idk · January 2017

@raidentenshu_ESO

Your claim is false. Lol. Zos fixed a glitch. A very serious cheat that harmed the game as a the game as a whole.

While I do agree Zos needs to not penalize those who get kicked from a group the basis of your statement is erroneous.

Mojmir · January 2017

use your "cuddling" to get more stuff fixed!!!

Beware13 · January 2017

Say what you want, but I like my cuddles from Zenimax.

Thordryc · January 2017

Duck Joke

A woman brought a very limp duck into a veterinary surgery. As she laid her pet on the table, the vet pulled out his stethoscope and listened to the bird's chest. After a moment or two, the vet shook his head sadly and said, "I'm so sorry, Cuddles has passed away."

The distressed owner wailed, "Are you sure? "Yes, I am sure. The duck is dead," he replied. "How can you be so sure," she protested. "I mean, you haven't done any testing on him or anything. He might just be in a coma or something."

The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room, and returned a few moments later with a large black Labrador Retriever. As the duck's owner looked on in amazement, the dog stood on his hind legs, put his front paws on the examination table and sniffed the duck from top to bottom. He then looked at the vet with sad eyes and shook his head. The vet patted the dog, took it out, and returned a few moments later with a beautiful cat.

The cat jumped up on the table and also sniffed delicately at the bird. The cat sat back on its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly and strolled out of the room. The vet looked at the woman and said, "I'm sorry, but as I said, this is most definitely, 100% certifiably, a dead duck." Then the vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a bill, which he handed to the woman.

The duck's owner, still in shock, took the bill. "$150", she cried, "$150 just to tell me my duck is dead" The vet shrugged. "I'm sorry. If you'd taken my word for it, the bill would have been $20, but what with the Lab Report and the Cat Scan.....

Rouven · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

(...) were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't (...)

Gaining ... from an exploit.

You said it yourself.

Wollust · January 2017

Are you comparing an exploit with a system that is working as intended (by ZoS)?
Seriously?

Danksta · January 2017

Wollust wrote: »

Are you comparing an exploit with a system that is working as intended (by ZoS)?
Seriously?

You shouldn't be surprised. This is the same OP that brought us "Maelstrom weapons should drop from nMA" and other similarly ridiculous threads.

Wollust · January 2017

Danksta wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Are you comparing an exploit with a system that is working as intended (by ZoS)?
Seriously?

You shouldn't be surprised. This is the same OP that brought us "Maelstrom weapons should drop from nMA" and other similarly ridiculous threads.

You've got a point

kargen27 · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

The 15 minute penalty was a quick fix. Not a good one but a quick fix none the less.

kyle.wilson · January 2017

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

For Update 13, our overall goal was to lessen the gap between the top and bottom. (in terms of overall damage output, coordinated vs. uncoordinated, small and large scale PVE & PVP) This doesn’t mean all classes are perfectly equal in all ways or that we want to remove skill from the game. We want to establish a solid baseline so that we can better tune and tweak balance. For this update we attacked this problem from multiple angles by doing the following:
Lowering the ceiling on the top damage

Raising the floor on the bottom damage

Simplifying some of the more intense rotations to make them a bit easier for players of all skill levels

-rich

This is from a pts post by @ZOS_RichLambert
This isn't coddling the "elite" while shafting the newb. It's actually the exact opposite.

Wifeaggro13 · January 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

For Update 13, our overall goal was to lessen the gap between the top and bottom. (in terms of overall damage output, coordinated vs. uncoordinated, small and large scale PVE & PVP) This doesn’t mean all classes are perfectly equal in all ways or that we want to remove skill from the game. We want to establish a solid baseline so that we can better tune and tweak balance. For this update we attacked this problem from multiple angles by doing the following:
Lowering the ceiling on the top damage

Raising the floor on the bottom damage

Simplifying some of the more intense rotations to make them a bit easier for players of all skill levels

-rich

This is from a pts post by @ZOS_RichLambert
This isn't coddling the "elite" while shafting the newb. It's actually the exact opposite.

No its removing any skill knowledge or Risk. making the game un fun

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

Danksta wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Are you comparing an exploit with a system that is working as intended (by ZoS)?
Seriously?

You shouldn't be surprised. This is the same OP that brought us "Maelstrom weapons should drop from nMA" and other similarly ridiculous threads.

What's wrong with that idea? You may find it to be ridiculous, but I think otherwise.

Woeler · January 2017

Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

Woeler wrote: »

Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.

Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.

Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.

I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.

Beware13 · January 2017

You are comparing oranges to apples.

Shad0wfire99 · January 2017

This is the most nonsensical topic I've seen on these forums in quite a while. Wait, maybe it was the "I want Maelstrom weapons from nMA" one. Hard to tell.

usmcjdking · January 2017

This thread makes no sense, at all. There are plenty of reasons to relentlessly bash on "eliteslol" but this certainly isn't one of them.

HatchetHaro · January 2017

So?

Git gud.

kyle.wilson · January 2017

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

For Update 13, our overall goal was to lessen the gap between the top and bottom. (in terms of overall damage output, coordinated vs. uncoordinated, small and large scale PVE & PVP) This doesn’t mean all classes are perfectly equal in all ways or that we want to remove skill from the game. We want to establish a solid baseline so that we can better tune and tweak balance. For this update we attacked this problem from multiple angles by doing the following:
Lowering the ceiling on the top damage

Raising the floor on the bottom damage

Simplifying some of the more intense rotations to make them a bit easier for players of all skill levels

-rich

This is from a pts post by @ZOS_RichLambert
This isn't coddling the "elite" while shafting the newb. It's actually the exact opposite.

No its removing any skill knowledge or Risk. making the game un fun

I agree with you, I was just noting how the topic of this thread is ignorant of the facts. Maybe it's the "alternative" truth I've heard so much about.