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BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭MornaBaine wrote: »You all might want to check out this thread as well: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316024/information-on-player-housing-caps#latest
The most important thing to take away from it is this: You CAN see what the player caps are for each house, but only AFTER you have BOUGHT IT! Yes, really. The player cap is NOT in the preview of the house anywhere. Only AFTER you have purchased it will you see an option to "Browse" and then you will see THIS:
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That they would HIDE this information and not give it to you BEFORE purchasing just leaves me speechless.
I'd assume it's ignorance, not malevolence, on this one.
Likely, most of the developers didn't intend the houses to be used for massive guild functions, so they didn't think the housing cap would be that limiting a factor to most people. Thus, they didn't think letting people know each house's player cap was worth cluttering up the house's purchase screen.
Can't say I agree with that decision, but a miscalculation of the wants of their player base =/= deliberate trick.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Manors will be used as guild homes. Guilds have 500 players limit. Enough said.
Guilds should not be using player houses for Guild homes. That should be a guild hall. I would like a full blown DLC on guild halls that include special area in the guild where you farm enemies to acquire items to make/extend your guild hall.4 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Manors will be used as guild homes. Guilds have 500 players limit. Enough said.
Guilds should not be using player houses for Guild homes. That should be a guild hall. I would like a full blown DLC on guild halls that include special area in the guild where you farm enemies to acquire items to make/extend your guild hall.
@MEBengalsFan2001
I think you're on to the right idea IMO.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on January 25, 2017 3:27PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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ThePaulrus94✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!I agree that the numbers should be greater, but one issue I see is that some of the medium and large homes are the same size. If I'm not mistaken, the Nord medium and large homes are the same on the interior but the large just includes a stable, yard, etc. This could be partially why the medium and large homes have the same cap?0 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agree, large houses should have a 24 player cap!I have a question, is there difference in the amount of furnishings, trophys and collectables you can place in a large house as opposed to a medium house? It would make sense if you could place less stuff in a smaller house then a larger house. If the furnishing amount were about the same, I'd opt for the medium house, unless I found a really nice large house in the right spot."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!I'd like to see some guild home bases added in on a castle/fortress scale that has a 500 cap if any. Might just get it in the future. The 12 man cap doesn't seem so bad. At least they can be good meet up places before trials.Edited by Jimbullbee85 on January 25, 2017 3:53PMJimbullbee, Templar healer battlemage0 -
Soella✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!I don't want to deal with lag in my home, enough to have in Cyrodiil.
I think proper solution could be if you can buy for manors or large homes status "guild hall". If house have such status, limits should be increased and additional rights given to guild officers.0 -
Niko1987✭✭Agree, large houses should have a 24 player cap!MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Manors will be used as guild homes. Guilds have 500 players limit. Enough said.
Guilds should not be using player houses for Guild homes. That should be a guild hall. I would like a full blown DLC on guild halls that include special area in the guild where you farm enemies to acquire items to make/extend your guild hall.
@MEBengalsFan2001
This. Player housing and guild halls should be separate, not one in the same or housing being used for guild activities.Edited by Niko1987 on January 25, 2017 5:48PM"It must be nice to fight for something you feel so strongly about. Too often I don't have that luxury."- Ahrilux
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!MMOs need fewer caps, and this is one case. I'm sure ZOS will invoke some 'technical limitations' excuse but in reality as guild halls show limits as low as these aren't justified by that alibi.1 -
ESO_Maya✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!I would like to see the visitor limit on Manors at least 100. How can anyone have a proper house party with less than 100?3 -
MythicEmperor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agree, large houses should have a 24 player cap!KochDerDamonen wrote: »moooooar
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Manors will be used as guild homes. Guilds have 500 players limit. Enough said.
Guilds should not be using player houses for Guild homes. That should be a guild hall. I would like a full blown DLC on guild halls that include special area in the guild where you farm enemies to acquire items to make/extend your guild hall.
I do agree with you, nonetheless manors and the crown store exclusives should cater to this purpose as well in the meantime.
I'm not saying I expect 500 players allowed in those, you'd never have this load online at the same time anyways.
But 24 or even 48 is a slap in the face. 99 plus owner, that is something that could tide us over until guild homes are released.2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!So I'm just asking @MornaBaine @MEBengalsFan2001 @Leandor @Niko1987
I noticed some agreement along the lines that player housing should be different from Guild Halls
what are you thoughts on this? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316188/would-you-like-a-guild-hall-added-not-quite-a-house-tho#latest
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!Whisper292 wrote: »The player cap is absolutely ridiculous, but even worse is that they don't tell you what the cap is until AFTER you buy the house. Why, ZOS?
Because people will buy the proper house with crowns after wasting all their gold on the wrong house.Edited by MLGProPlayer on January 25, 2017 6:55PM0 -
Rabbit_Gamer✭✭✭Why is everyone missing it...
Max number of people is 24. But just like Bank slots, you can purchase more for the low, low Crown Store price of...3 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!ThePaulrus94 wrote: »I agree that the numbers should be greater, but one issue I see is that some of the medium and large homes are the same size. If I'm not mistaken, the Nord medium and large homes are the same on the interior but the large just includes a stable, yard, etc. This could be partially why the medium and large homes have the same cap?
But then some of the large homes are the same size as the manors, if not bigger. Foresaken Foretress and Mathiisen Manor are both bigger than the manors. Hundings Palatial Hall and Strident Springs Demesne have bigger yards than two of the manors.Edited by MLGProPlayer on January 25, 2017 7:02PM0 -
Niko1987✭✭Agree, large houses should have a 24 player cap!@NewBlacksmurf I think that would be pretty cool to implement if it were to be considered. Or at least a Guild Hall option.
Like if you bought he largest home, you can have the option to make it into a Guild Hall that accommodates more players and ownership can be transferred, say if the original buyer leaves the game for a time or something. Or else the guild will have no control over the home since it's a "home" and not a Guild Hall..Edited by Niko1987 on January 25, 2017 7:04PM"It must be nice to fight for something you feel so strongly about. Too often I don't have that luxury."- Ahrilux
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!I don't want to deal with lag in my home, enough to have in Cyrodiil.
I think proper solution could be if you can buy for manors or large homes status "guild hall". If house have such status, limits should be increased and additional rights given to guild officers.
Your position makes no sense. Your house won't lag if you don't invite anyone inside. The cap isn't what creates the lag, having actual players there is what does...0 -
Rajajshka✭✭✭Agree, large houses should have a 24 player cap!The cap of everything in all the house sizes should be doubled or tripled tbh0 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!I'm just here for the sweetroll0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!@NewBlacksmurf I think that would be pretty cool to implement if it were to be considered. Or at least a Guild Hall option.
Like if you bought he largest home, you can have the option to make it into a Guild Hall that accommodates more players and ownership can be transferred, say if the original buyer leaves the game for a time or something. Or else the guild will have no control over the home since it's a "home" and not a Guild Hall..
@Niko1987
I don't think anything from a personal home should be transferred or shared.
Its two completely different things
The Guild Hall is 100% for the guild onlyEdited by NewBlacksmurf on January 25, 2017 7:10PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Niko1987✭✭Agree, large houses should have a 24 player cap!NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf I think that would be pretty cool to implement if it were to be considered. Or at least a Guild Hall option.
Like if you bought he largest home, you can have the option to make it into a Guild Hall that accommodates more players and ownership can be transferred, say if the original buyer leaves the game for a time or something. Or else the guild will have no control over the home since it's a "home" and not a Guild Hall..
@Niko1987
I don't think anything from a personal home should be transferred or shared.
Its two completely different things
The Guild Hall is 100% for the guild only
@NewBlacksmurf My only concern is what will happen if you've established a guild in a large house and the sole owner goes MIA... No other guild officers can take over anything. What happens to the house then?
Kinda SOL at that point, I guess... Edited by Niko1987 on January 25, 2017 7:26PM"It must be nice to fight for something you feel so strongly about. Too often I don't have that luxury."- Ahrilux
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other, and I would like a sweetroll for my poll participation!NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf I think that would be pretty cool to implement if it were to be considered. Or at least a Guild Hall option.
Like if you bought he largest home, you can have the option to make it into a Guild Hall that accommodates more players and ownership can be transferred, say if the original buyer leaves the game for a time or something. Or else the guild will have no control over the home since it's a "home" and not a Guild Hall..
@Niko1987
I don't think anything from a personal home should be transferred or shared.
Its two completely different things
The Guild Hall is 100% for the guild only
@NewBlacksmurf My only concern is what will happen if you've established a guild in a large house and the sole owner goes MIA... No other guild officers can take over anything. What happens to the house then? Kinda SOL at that point, I guess...
@Niko1987
So its not a personal house at all.
Its a guild hall
None of the personal housing concepts apply
-there is no give access
-if you're in the guild, you can go to the house (technically if there were over 100 people, you'd be phased into tha same guild house for phase 2, 3 or 4 up to 5) but its 50 to 100 players per phase to stay in line with how console voice chat works
-Establishing a guild house is bound to the GM initially yes, so if you leave the guild, yep you're SOL, but if the GM leaves, the house stays as long as there are members left.
-Perhaps a measure is needed so a guild cannot be dissolved without existing members to vote
Its just an instance with a guild hall flavor, and i'd imagine tabards and such
Who knows...maybe it could be expanded with new features that come but at its base, its just a guild hall to align with the existing guild features like a tabard, and a guild store.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on January 25, 2017 7:32PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Alastrine✭✭✭✭Disagree, the current caps are fine!So... is no one going to be out playing, all just sitting around inside your houses lol, because that's what this sounds like. Unless you are trying to use them as guildhalls which they are not meant to be, and which ZoS has said will not be available (yet).
That said, I go with the 12 / 18 / 24, ( I voted the current caps were fine but then saw the suggestion for this ration and it seems better). Though I'm still surprised why you'd have that many in there at one time when there is.... nothing to do in there. Oh wait, RPers I suppose yes.
Meh, 12 / 18 / 24.Edited by Alastrine on January 25, 2017 7:40PM0 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So I'm just asking @MornaBaine @MEBengalsFan2001 @Leandor @Niko1987
I noticed some agreement along the lines that player housing should be different from Guild Halls
what are you thoughts on this? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316188/would-you-like-a-guild-hall-added-not-quite-a-house-tho#latest
@NewBlacksmurf I replied to post you listed. I hope I provided enough details. I like NW guild hall idea and think something like that could work here but not provide the stats bonus that NW does, instead make it more about grinding to get gear guild specific gear.2 -
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✭If I'm buying out of the crown store with real money I don't think there should be a cap.Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!3 -
bigmamajama✭✭✭I think you guys are over-estimating your in-game popularity and the desire for hordes of people to visit you. The numbers seem reasonable to me.3
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✭Disagree, the current caps are fine!MornaBaine wrote: »
If opinions were food the world would never starve...
Care to detail why exactly the cap needs raised?0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Disagree, the current caps are fine!Why is there even a limit? I think people might except some FPS drops if they have 50 people in there house. This really kills any chances of guild halls or big RP events. Is this a console limitation holding PC back?
If the reasons are more technical network reasons and it will be laggy and people getting kicked from the game, that's just pretty sad. I mean there was housing back in 2004 in EQ2 that could have tons of people in them with no issues except maybe some FPS drops.
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notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Disagree, the current caps are fine!Whisper292 wrote: »The player cap is absolutely ridiculous, but even worse is that they don't tell you what the cap is until AFTER you buy the house. Why, ZOS?
In a world of pts and google... I mean, you clearly know what the caps are since you are here.
It is amazing the focus on thier lack of detail like that on the pts. I mean, it isnt like they have actual mechanical and code issues to work with, right?0