Riejael wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Why not? AD and EP randomly appear in places in DC zones as well so seems to be the strategy of the time to conduct raids all over.

I've not personally seen Pact forces in the AD/DC zones But I've seen AD in DC and DC in AD zones. It seems like everyone is picking on each other except for the EP. But maybe I just missed them?

Yep EP is in DC and AD zones although I seem to remember them more in delves. DC seemed to have more of an Imperial forces invasion issue in Bangkorai

starkerealm wrote: »

Eastmarch is more fortified, and suffers from far more severe winters. An assault there would require taking Windhelm as soon as they landed, rather than targeting a relatively minor settlement like Davon's Watch or Bal Foyen

Another supporting theory could be that Emeric knew the Dunmers, as experienced mages, could try to resurrect Balreth and Sadal and he may have thought it would be wiser trying to take down Stonefalls first and, maybe, prevent this to happen.

It would be a long and risky shot, but far less dangerous (military speaking) than suffer losses for the unfightable harsh weather of Eastmarch and region a-like.

Attacking Eastmarch wouldn't be very practical. It has hardly any coastline for a naval assault, and the coastline it does have is guarded by Windhelm.


If you then proceed down the Inner Sea, there's the potential to land on the Velothi coast, but there's not much strategic advantage to that since the Velothi coast is pretty isolated from the rest of Morrowind. You then end up at Stonefalls. Stonefalls has an extensive coastline with numerous landing opportunities, and has three strategic objectives; Fort Virak, guarding the pass to Skyrim, which would sever the northern supply route if captured; Davon's Watch, a major trading port; and Ebonheart, the regional capital.


Practically and strategically therefore, it makes a lot more sense to invade Stonefalls. The real question is, why did they bother invading Bal Foyen?

Nord live in the Eastmarch, it should be obvious wwhy attack fancy elves and other milkdrinkers rather than face real warriors?


Also, you get a nice needle type attack from stonefalls. You can spread your forces from there, the maintenance of forces requires less than it would in harsh enviroment of Skyrim. The landscape in Skyrim is such that mountains would hinder the progression of forces from east and west. When coming from Cyrodil and Stonefalls, Covenant can easily separate Skyrim and Shadow fen, cutting the support lines from both in the midle and therefore also hindering the support of forces in Cyrodil.

The only way to Skyrim what i can see is from North which is very cold and hars or the river that goes to Windhelm, as far as i can assume, the whole east coast of Skytrim is pretty much surrounded by difficult moutainranges and therefore would not be an easy way to get large force in that way.

While Nirn is round like any planet, i doubt they sailed west from Covenant lands, it has been hinted by some, that there is more landmass at the other side of Nirn that we dont know much of anything about, dont ask where, it might be just false information or speculation but still, it would be more logical to folloiw the coast and take a safer route with possibility to go shore if reqyuired rather than face open seas on the west.

Enslaved wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Attacking Eastmarch wouldn't be very practical. It has hardly any coastline for a naval assault, and the coastline it does have is guarded by Windhelm.


If you then proceed down the Inner Sea, there's the potential to land on the Velothi coast, but there's not much strategic advantage to that since the Velothi coast is pretty isolated from the rest of Morrowind. You then end up at Stonefalls. Stonefalls has an extensive coastline with numerous landing opportunities, and has three strategic objectives; Fort Virak, guarding the pass to Skyrim, which would sever the northern supply route if captured; Davon's Watch, a major trading port; and Ebonheart, the regional capital.


Practically and strategically therefore, it makes a lot more sense to invade Stonefalls. The real question is, why did they bother invading Bal Foyen?

Well, they attacked entire coastline. And if you remember from talking with Dunmer soldiers in Bal Foyen, what was once one of the major places for transporting slaves became one of biggest centers to bring former slaves into the EP army. An Army needs resources, so DC also tried to burn/destroy them. Better question would be why on Nirn would DC bother with tiny island such as Bleakrock.

Ah, good catch! I'd forgotten the importance of Bal Foyen in recruitment. I think the importance of Bleakrock is the generic "powerful relics will help our cause" angle. Why are they still there though? The invasion failed, the Oblivion portal closed, the necromancer killed. They should just leave now so Bleakrock can go back to being a safe place.

Because roleplaying was happening in Stonefalls

Why do my DC characters get attacked by EP NPCs while in Cyradiil, yet when I go to Stonefalls the EP NPCs give me quests and ask for help dealing with the DC invasion, while the DC NPCs attack me?

Silver_Strider wrote: »

There are multiple reasons but the most likely is because DC is stupid.

They have a Civil War in Rivenspire against Vampires, Imperial and Reachman Invaders in Bangkorai, Undead Werewolves in Glenumbra with Necromancers there and in the Alik'r, and a Daedric Cult trying to kill their king yet they see the need to invade EP.

LOGIC!!!!

You can do things like that when your army isn't lead by a child or filled with races who banded together because nobody else liked them.

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

There are multiple reasons but the most likely is because DC is stupid.

They have a Civil War in Rivenspire against Vampires, Imperial and Reachman Invaders in Bangkorai, Undead Werewolves in Glenumbra with Necromancers there and in the Alik'r, and a Daedric Cult trying to kill their king yet they see the need to invade EP.

LOGIC!!!!

You can do things like that when your army isn't lead by a child or filled with races who banded together because nobody else liked them.

And how is DC better in that regard?
Last I checked, Orsinium has be sacked by Redguards and Bretons countless times. Speaking of Orsinium, if King Kurog had his way and became the King of the Orcs in Wrothgar, how long do you think it would have taken him to decide to overthrow Emeric in some vain attempt at power or even some half-a$$ revenge for Old Orsinium's destruction? We know Kurog isn't above killing his own just to secure more power for himself so, realistically, how long would it have been before the rest of DC just said F it and burned Orsinium to the ground again? If we're talking about races that hate each other, Orcs aren't exactly the most likeable bunch of people in the eyes of Redguards or Bretons so this argument is FLAWED.

The same things goes for the Khajiit and Bosmer before any AD players decides to throw their lot in.

Grand Warlord Sorcalin objects to being called a child.

Narvuntien wrote: »

I believe they knew about the "brothers of strife".

err spoilers incoming.

Alexandria Cornell, went to Vivecs Anter's for the coral heart to awaken the Brother of strife. I am certain they didn't think the Dumner would be.. err dumb.. enough to use them themselves.

But if that was the case, wouldn't they have an infiltration team set up near Ash Mountain and the Tormented Spire? Or at least have a miltary presence in Kragenmoor?

Granted, I always felt like the final quest trecking in the Tormented Spire was "tacked on", just an excuse to add a new villain. I personally would have like it to be more of an extension to the Fort Virak battle. But as it is, it just feels disjointed from the narrative imho

AzuraKin wrote: »

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Okay, so. We were ERPing with a friend in Stonefalls since TF was laggy, and suddenly a question popped up : Why did the Covenant forces go all the way to Stonefalls when it would've been much easier to attack Eastmarch instead? Look at the map below for an illustration.


So there's Tamriel, and the red star indicates Stonefalls. Now, the logical way for the DC forces to proceed has been outlined in red (via Skyrim and the sea of ghosts, or w/e its name is). Thing is, Bleakrock Isle is way up North and closer to Eastmarch than anything else. So why bother going all the way to Stonefalls instead of disembarking and raiding, violently subduing women, and pillaging that part of Skyrim?

My theory however, is that the DC forces followed the green trail, but that theory supposes that the TES world is round and has nothing in between Glenumbra and EP territories (Just picture Alaska - Russia distance). However, I am very unsure about that, given that there's Atmora (well, the Akaviri continent) as well as the Maormer one (Pyandonea) floating around somewhere. So for all I know, there might be other continents floating about, or it might be a Here There Be Dragons issue with uncharted waters.

Any input, folks ?

why its simple dearie, the grandmistress of the telvanni house of dark elves advised them where the the pact's headquarters and core leadership was located.

signed
telvanni grandmistress.
location stormhaven
in care of lion guard.

And what, she's incapable, or manipulative? Pact Headquarters and core leadership are in Windhelm and Mournhold, not in any Stonefalls city.