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How come dro m'artha aren't undead?
DRXHarbinger
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Just wondering why prismatic glyphs don't affect them at all? Aren't they essentially undead Kaijit and dead pet cats, that didn't "cross over" and instead went to work for Kaijit devil? This is a srs question btw.
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Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!
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✭✭✭✭✭The Dro-m'Athra are "dark spirits", but they are not to be confused with "ghosts". They are not dead Khajiit. They are not Daedra either, afaik, although Daedra is the closest comparison we can make to them I guess (like, in the sense that Daedra are not undead either, which is why the Glyph specifies that it affects both Undead and Daedra and not just "Undead").
There is not a lot of lore on them, but as far as we know, they seem to be their own thing.Edited by Abeille on January 23, 2017 5:20PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
FluffyReachWitch✭✭✭✭✭As far as I know they're connected to Lorkhaj / Lorkhan (who is also Shor). And while there isn't a lot of lore to back this up that I know of (this is only my guess), I would assume that they're not undead in the same way that the Nord spirits in Sovngarde aren't undead. Dead, yes. But not like ghosts, zombies, draugr, etc. Instead, they're now beings of another plane, coming back to Nirn for some Lorkhanic antics.
And since Lorkhan isn't a daedra (despite being Padomaic), neither Dro-m'Athra or warriors of Sovngarde would become daedric. He just gets to mess with the souls of the dead in his own realm(s) for dead people and get them to do his bidding.
So magic designed to fight undead and daedra wouldn't count them as either.
Just my hypothesis, though.Edited by FluffyReachWitch on January 23, 2017 5:33PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why is the vestige not considered undead by default?
Probably because the Vestige is something else entirely. Maybe because their soul didn't pass into the Aetherius and their body was brought back as a fully functioning mortal (and not as a zombie) by Molag Bal after the sacrifice, so that they could be effectively tortured (this is something Molag Bal can do, and actually did in Skyrim).Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why is the vestige not considered undead by default?
Because they're more like a daedra than undead.
Really, the best classification for the Vestige and Dro-m'Athra would probably be what D&D calls "Outsiders."
They're not demons/daedra or undead, but they don't really belong here.
It's not clear what Dro-m'Athra are, but they're not daedra or undead.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why is the vestige not considered undead by default?
Because they're more like a daedra than undead.
Really, the best classification for the Vestige and Dro-m'Athra would probably be what D&D calls "Outsiders."
They're not demons/daedra or undead, but they don't really belong here.
It's not clear what Dro-m'Athra are, but they're not daedra or undead.
D&D "Outsiders" is a great comparison I haven't thought of.
The problem is that the Khajiit do not speak of them. They are "beings of darkness", and that's it. No character ever really elaborates on it.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Just wondering why prismatic glyphs don't affect them at all? Aren't they essentially undead Kaijit and dead pet cats, that didn't "cross over" and instead went to work for Kaijit devil? This is a srs question btw.
they are spirits, probably considering thier link with the moons (a part of the dual-natured lorkhan) you can say they are lorkhan's daedric servants. also you have to remember while eso is true to a lot of the lore, they do take some liberties, for example why are senche's common beasts that we kill? senche's are khajiits.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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Delpi✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why is the vestige not considered undead by default?
Because Chuck Norris says so...
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✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Just wondering why prismatic glyphs don't affect them at all? Aren't they essentially undead Kaijit and dead pet cats, that didn't "cross over" and instead went to work for Kaijit devil? This is a srs question btw.
they are spirits, probably considering thier link with the moons (a part of the dual-natured lorkhan) you can say they are lorkhan's daedric servants. also you have to remember while eso is true to a lot of the lore, they do take some liberties, for example why are senche's common beasts that we kill? senche's are khajiits.
If they're actually servants of Lorkhan, that would make them aedric, not daedric. No idea if that is supposed to affect the prismatic enchant triggering or not, though. Since aedra are vanishingly rare.0 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Just wondering why prismatic glyphs don't affect them at all? Aren't they essentially undead Kaijit and dead pet cats, that didn't "cross over" and instead went to work for Kaijit devil? This is a srs question btw.
they are spirits, probably considering thier link with the moons (a part of the dual-natured lorkhan) you can say they are lorkhan's daedric servants. also you have to remember while eso is true to a lot of the lore, they do take some liberties, for example why are senche's common beasts that we kill? senche's are khajiits.
If they're actually servants of Lorkhan, that would make them aedric, not daedric. No idea if that is supposed to affect the prismatic enchant triggering or not, though. Since aedra are vanishingly rare.
actually lorkhan is both aedric and daedric. he is aedric because he was part of the creation of nirn, but he is also daedric because he corrupted that which was already there to create (tricked the other aedra into creating nirn). in fact, i only grant him the aedric title for that reason, by all reasoning he is more to that of a daedra then an aedra. if you kill an aedra, they are dead, nirn continues on, kill lorkhan, and nirn is destroyed, just as, if you were to kill molag bal, coldharbour would be destroyed. in fact you can go so far as to say that the daedric princes are meta-physical manifestations of planets, and the aedra are a collective of the remains of the planets lorkhan pulled into himself. this is further backed by the fact individually the daedra are immensely more powerful then the aedra. it takes the collective might of the aedra to just hold a daedric prince in check.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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✭✭✭✭✭Dro-m'Athra are just especially naughty cats who need a swat to the whiskers. Nothing undead about them.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Because they weren't raised by necromantic acts, and their soul isn't trapped on Nirn. You could also ask "why is the Vestige not considered Daedric", to which the answer is "because of the skyshard".TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why is the vestige not considered undead by default?
And I would say the same goes for Dro-m'Athra; their souls have already passed on, and they have returned as spirits, not undead.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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