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Are Vamp aesthetics ever going to be optional?
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are other instances in the game where mortals used illusion magic or enchanted items to make themselves or someone else look completely different. Doing the same to make a character look like a mortal version of themselves shouldn't be a problem.
Stop using Verandis as an excuse for being able to hide our vampirism. He's apparently the only vampire NPC in ESO that can do it, which may well be a gift from Molag Bal.
Neither Gwendis nor Adusa-daro or the guys at Wittestadr seem to be able to do this, so why should we?
If we ever get such a feature, it has to be a toggle skill that only works in stage 1 and maybe stage 2.
I didn't use Verandis as an excuse, read my post again @Kendaric . I am speaking of illusion magic used by mortals, which can very well be what he uses to hide his vampirism too. It isn't necessarily something connected to his vampirism. So stop using him being an original vampire as a reason why we shouldn't be able to hide it and ignoring the other possibilities.
When a Thalmor mage makes Raz look like Ayrenn.
When Raz wears an enchanted earring to look like a male Altmer, and we wear it too on the same quest.
When we again wear the same earring to look like a colovian general.
When we use a gem to look like a goblin.
And that's why we should be able to hide our vampirism. Because illusion magic and enchanted items that alter your appearance are a thing.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bigmamajama wrote: »So you want to be a Vampire, have all the perks of a Vampire but not look like I'm a Vampire.
Yes, just like werewolves.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
...personally I would say he looks like a normal altmer when hiding his vampirism, but...Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
And yeah, I still agree that there should be an option for players to "go masquerade" so to speak... but it should be an option with limits, and with some drawback.
Like... a skill that takes up a skill slot. Or... an ring that takes up an ring slot. Or a disguise... that prevents sneaking and unequips at taking damage like any other disguises... (though that would not fit with Count Ravenwatch as he was able to keep his disguise in the fighting to save the nobles taken captive...)
And it should only be usable at stage one of course, it makes compelte sense after all that a vampire would have to be gourged with blood to maintain any hope of disguise...
But the option definitely should be there! As should be reasons to use it - like guards attacking all vampires who "let their fangs out"... and maybe even the occasional "vampire hunter" NPC who can see through the disguise...
Hey, adding more layers to vampoires would be fun! I always thought they should be more like in the classic tales, rather then merely "players with an additional skill line"...
Maybe have a potion that you need to keep drinking which hides it? Idk how well that would work
There is now a drink in the game that will knock your vampire stage back by one when you drink it. It's a gold recipe called a Double Bloody Mara. However, it's also a very expensive drink to make mats-wise and has stats boosting properties as well. So even though you can use it to get yourself back to Stage one it's a spendy option. Now it they'd provide a GREEN recipe that ONLY made you look like a normal mortal for 6 hours (the length of each current vampire stage) that would be a FANTASTIC addition to Provisioning.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
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✭✭✭✭Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
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Fodore✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Lets just say vampires are always transformed so you will always look like a vampire.In that case I want to be in WW-from, but look normal.
That's completely different... as a we you do look normal unless you transform, and when you do transform you are in that form temporarily, you are also a ww, meaning you are completely different to a human like race. Vamp is permanent (unless you cure) and just puts a skin over the top of your character.
There is lore supporting Vamps in disguise
There is not lore supporting werewolf's (Whilst transformed) in disguise.
Even if you said we are always transformed, there is still lore supporting the ability to hide vampirism.
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.4 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.0 -
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✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aGG27dGUA Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
While it is possible that it is something of his bloodline only (and of that one Cyrodiilic bloodline that can also do this due to a deal with Clavicus Vile), or even something exclusively to him for being an original vampire, this isn't said anywhere in the game so the reason why he can do it is left up to us to speculate. Since he is also a mage, I think the best explanation is a simple illusion spell. We also don't know if our bloodline is supposed to be unable to hide their condition, I do remember doing the quest and being told to blend among mortals, but I did it forever ago so I might be remembering it wrong.
Realistically, I see it being offered in the Crown Store as a skin, taking the form of an item ("Pendant of Mortality - Disguise yourself as a mortal and walk among them, waiting for your next victim"). Not the best way I would like it to be implemented, I would rather have a passive skill that make a vampire look like they are a stage earlier than their actual stage, but I do not really see it being implemented in any way other than a Crown Store skin.Edited by Abeille on January 21, 2017 5:22PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
And that is ALL pure speculation with no actual Lore or statement from ZOS to back it up. The ONLY type of vampirism available in the game is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria and its originator, Lamae Bal, says quite clearly that you CAN blend among the mortals in the vampire questline where you get it in the first place. So there is no reason to believe that Verandis is somehow able to hide his vampirism while the rest of us cannot.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
THAT argument has also been made and ZOS has at least responded by tinkering with the racial passives. And I believe they will eventually cave to player demand and revamp the racial passives to be more player-choice driven entirely. After all, why SHOULDN'T a Redguard be able to be an awesome sorcerer? Because as a race the Redguards fear and distrust magic? Well PLAYER CHARACTERS are already special snowflakes by definition to begin with. We're ALL "The Vestige" that saves Tamriel from merging with Coldharbor and defeats Molag Bal himself in single combat. A competent Redguard mage should not be a big deal at all in the face of that.
And all we're asking for here is a COSMETIC change that has ZERO gameplay impact.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »And all we're asking for here is a COSMETIC change that has ZERO gameplay impact.
Inb4 "but I should be able to see you are a vampire on pvp".
Because polymorphs and full body armor that covers everything are totally not a thing.
This argument reminds me of when I played earlier MMOs and people were against having different outfits because "but I should be able to see which class you are by just looking at your armor".Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
That's such a warped logic from what we are discussing here.
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.1 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
I mean its my character so I should be able to do what I want - also every excuse for how illusion magic exists and spells that do things like make a kajit look like an altmer should allow me to play a dunmer and look like an imperial.I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
That's such a warped logic from what we are discussing here.
Is it?
Some in this and similar threads have clearly stated that what they want is to be able to obtain the vampire skill line and passives without actually being a vampire, well I want the dunmer passives for my templar without having to look like a dunmer.
Not to mention the OP of this thread posted a justification for allowing the appearance based on quests such as those involving Raz where the player (any race / gender) is given the appearance of a male altmer or when Raz (kajit) has the appearance of a male altmer or female altmer (the queen herself) - so those same in-game appearance changes also seem to work to mask a players actual gender and race.
So again - if one player can have the vampire skill line and not look like a vampire, then I and other players should be able to have a racial skill line and not look like the race.
Seriously, the whole reasoning so many are asking to have the vampire appearance hidden is tied to wanting to control their character's appearance while being able to access certain skills and passives - so letting players pick and choose their appearance for one set of skills and passives (vamp / ww) and not another (racial) is warped in my mind.Edited by Dawnblade on January 21, 2017 5:45PM0 -
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Read the 2nd word. "THEORY", If you can't withstand your appearance then here is an idea, cure yourself or at least when you create your character, create them with the sole intention of making them look good as a vampire even though it may make them ugly as a mortal. and it does effect gameplay, not all of us use Addons as they cause my game to lose over 20 FPS so we need to tell who is a vampire and who aint.MornaBaine wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
And that is ALL pure speculation with no actual Lore or statement from ZOS to back it up. The ONLY type of vampirism available in the game is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria and its originator, Lamae Bal, says quite clearly that you CAN blend among the mortals in the vampire questline where you get it in the first place. So there is no reason to believe that Verandis is somehow able to hide his vampirism while the rest of us cannot.
Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on January 21, 2017 5:46PM1 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
I mean its my character so I should be able to do what I want - also every excuse for how illusion magic exists and spells that do things like make a kajit look like an altmer should allow me to play a dunmer and look like an imperial.I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
That's such a warped logic from what we are discussing here.
Is it?
Some in this and similar threads have stated they want the vampire abilities without actually being a vampire, well I want the dunmer passives for my templar but don't want to be a dunmer.
Not to mention the OP of this thread posted a justification for allowing the appearance based on quests such as those involving Raz where the player (any race / gender) is given the appearance of a male altmer or when Raz (kajit) has the appearance of a male altmer or female altmer (the queen herself).
So again - if one player can have the vampire skill line and not look like a vampire, then I and other players should be able to have the dunmer racial line and not look like a dunmer.
And why not? But racial passives are another topic from this one entirely. Again, this is a cosmetics/aesthetics issue, not a game mechanics issue. Apples to oranges.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Read the 2nd word. "THEORY"MornaBaine wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
And that is ALL pure speculation with no actual Lore or statement from ZOS to back it up. The ONLY type of vampirism available in the game is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria and its originator, Lamae Bal, says quite clearly that you CAN blend among the mortals in the vampire questline where you get it in the first place. So there is no reason to believe that Verandis is somehow able to hide his vampirism while the rest of us cannot.
Exactly. Theory. Which is why it has no relevance to this discussion.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Read the 2nd word. "THEORY", If you can't withstand your appearance then here is an idea, cure yourself. and it does effect gameplay, not all of us use Addons as they cause my game to lose over 20 FPS so we need to tell who is a vampire and who aint.MornaBaine wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Another theory as to why Verandis can shield his appearance, He is of a different bloodline to us, infact he is the progenitor of another bloodline and perhaps being able to appear mortal is his bloodlines "Special" power, we however are of Lamae Bal's bloodline and have the ability to walk in sunlight so therefor being able to appear mortal is not one of our powers just like how we can't transform into a Vampire Lord as that is a Volkihar Vampire ability.
And that is ALL pure speculation with no actual Lore or statement from ZOS to back it up. The ONLY type of vampirism available in the game is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria and its originator, Lamae Bal, says quite clearly that you CAN blend among the mortals in the vampire questline where you get it in the first place. So there is no reason to believe that Verandis is somehow able to hide his vampirism while the rest of us cannot.
Well this didn't take long at all.MornaBaine wrote: »And all we're asking for here is a COSMETIC change that has ZERO gameplay impact.
Inb4 "but I should be able to see you are a vampire on pvp".
Because polymorphs and full body armor that covers everything are totally not a thing.
This argument reminds me of when I played earlier MMOs and people were against having different outfits because "but I should be able to see which class you are by just looking at your armor".
Also, it doesn't matter if your theory turns out to be right, because there are other means (illusion magic and enchanted items) to accomplish the same result (hiding vampirism) for vampires that do not have the same theoretical power that Verandis has.in my opinion, looking like a vamp is much cooler !
I actually agree with this. I love my stage 3-4 vampire (she is usually stage 4 but sometimes she accidentally feeds on a target instead of using the Blade of Woe and goes to stage 3). However, since there is lore backing up the addition of the possibility to hide vampirism, I am all for it, even if I wouldn't use it (actually, if I ever get in a RP guild with vampire hunters, I might use it. Beatrice is proud of her vampirism but she isn't stupid).Edited by Abeille on January 21, 2017 5:48PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭in my opinion, looking like a vamp is much cooler !
The stages ARE cool. And I use them in various RP. No one is saying to remove them. That would suck. We would merely like the option, supported by in-game lore, to ALSO look mortal.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Then use a disguise, they make you look normal when worn.MornaBaine wrote: »
That's actually a bug, so we don't know for how long we will have this option, since it is not intended to happen.
It would be better to have an intended, permanent solution.
Also we kinda want to wear the outfits we paid for :TEdited by Abeille on January 21, 2017 5:51PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Then use a disguise, they make you look normal when worn.MornaBaine wrote: »
That's actually a bug, so we don't know for how long we will have this option, since it is not intended to happen.
It would be better to have an intended, permanent solution.
Also we kinda want to wear the outfits we paid for :T
THIS. Most of the disguises are ugly and you can't dye them. And yes, it's a bug so we have no idea when it'll revert. No, this is not a suitable or acceptable answer to the problem.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
Emencie✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
THAT argument has also been made and ZOS has at least responded by tinkering with the racial passives. And I believe they will eventually cave to player demand and revamp the racial passives to be more player-choice driven entirely. After all, why SHOULDN'T a Redguard be able to be an awesome sorcerer? Because as a race the Redguards fear and distrust magic? Well PLAYER CHARACTERS are already special snowflakes by definition to begin with. We're ALL "The Vestige" that saves Tamriel from merging with Coldharbor and defeats Molag Bal himself in single combat. A competent Redguard mage should not be a big deal at all in the face of that.
And all we're asking for here is a COSMETIC change that has ZERO gameplay impact.
While I personally agree with you on desire to have these cosmetic changes and would love to be able to choose my WW form (including no form), turn off vamp, turn my redguard into a dunmer in stats only, and make many more cosmetic changes to weapons armor and anything that effects the look of my character...
It would have a gameplay impact. Even if it were simply the "feel" of the game. I don't think that it's a big deal personally. But ZOS and many players seem to.
I don't think it matters in PvP or PvE much because 90% of the time you cannot see anything but The weapon from your opponent. What I think people don't like is broken immersion where every/most/any character doesn't look like their stats/skills say they should.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I hope never. If there isn't cause and effect then the whole thing should only exist for NPCs who have cause and effect.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel that if you want the benefits of being a vampire, you should look like one. You're more or less a walking corpse, after all. I don't want an ESO filled with Twilight and Underworld vampires. This game is filled with barbies as it is.2 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
I mean its my character so I should be able to do what I want - also every excuse for how illusion magic exists and spells that do things like make a kajit look like an altmer should allow me to play a dunmer and look like an imperial.I want to be a spellcaster with the best passives for my class, but I don't want to be an altmer or dunmer so I should be able to get those racial benefits yet look like a redguard, or they could just let me pick the passive racial lines from whatever I feel has the best passives and add them to whatever race I choose based on looks / lore.
That's such a warped logic from what we are discussing here.
Is it?
Some in this and similar threads have clearly stated that what they want is to be able to obtain the vampire skill line and passives without actually being a vampire, well I want the dunmer passives for my templar without having to look like a dunmer.
Not to mention the OP of this thread posted a justification for allowing the appearance based on quests such as those involving Raz where the player (any race / gender) is given the appearance of a male altmer or when Raz (kajit) has the appearance of a male altmer or female altmer (the queen herself) - so those same in-game appearance changes also seem to work to mask a players actual gender and race.
So again - if one player can have the vampire skill line and not look like a vampire, then I and other players should be able to have a racial skill line and not look like the race.
Seriously, the whole reasoning so many are asking to have the vampire appearance hidden is tied to wanting to control their character's appearance while being able to access certain skills and passives - so letting players pick and choose their appearance for one set of skills and passives (vamp / ww) and not another (racial) is warped in my mind.
Race = Race (Bosmer = Bosmer | Orc = Orc etc)
Vampire = Race with vampirism. You will look like the race except with vampirism. And when in ES lore has a race been able to look like another race permanently and have all of that race's bonuses? Im not too good at explaining but your logic should really make it clear to you.
Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.2 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭I feel that if you want the benefits of being a vampire, you should look like one. You're more or less a walking corpse, after all. I don't want an ESO filled with Twilight and Underworld vampires. This game is filled with barbies as it is.
So ESO is changing from all lore that describes how Vamps disguise themselves? A fully established lore section and they want to throw that part out of the window?Before judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.3 -
Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I feel that if you want the benefits of being a vampire, you should look like one. You're more or less a walking corpse, after all. I don't want an ESO filled with Twilight and Underworld vampires. This game is filled with barbies as it is.
So ESO is changing from all lore that describes how Vamps disguise themselves? A fully established lore section and they want to throw that part out of the window?
They aren't changing the lore, the only vampires that can fully pass as mortals are the ones from Cyrodiil and one strain of Bosmer vampires and both have limitations on that ability. The cyrodiilic strain must feed to maintain their mortal appearance and the Bosmer strain is revealed in candlelight (according to the "Immortal Blood" lorebook from Skyrim).
The vampires we play in ESO are unharmed by the sun, that is their special power.
Now, I do agree that stage 1 vampires could look a little less dead, but it's not really that big of an issue. Vampires in stage 2 or higher should never be able to hide their affliction (and they should be attacked by guards, but that's a different issue).
Possible solutions:
1) Feeding while in stage 1 could grant a "well-fed" buff, that allows players to hide their vampirism for a time.
2) ZOS could create a skill unlocked at vampire rank 10 that when slotted allows you to retain your mortal appearance at the cost of Magicka.
3) ZOS could make a new appearance for stage 1 that sets your skin tone to the first (lightest) skin tone for our chosen race and make the current stage 1 appearance actually stage 2.
Personally, I'd prefer option 1 or 3 since that would be the most lore-friendly.0
