Now here is something interesting

Lyserus · January 2017

So I recently discovered this wonderful lore website https://www.imperial-library.info/

And in the book (Savants' Notes on Vvardenfell), I found something:

"Elves consider themselves the only 'truly human race,' being descended directly from the gods, and regard the Manish and Beast races as highly intelligent animals. On the other hand, Imperial scholars consider Men, Elves, and Beastmen as 'men,' on the basis that individuals of all three groups can mate with one another.

Offspring of inter-racial matings have the racial appearance of the mother, but may occasionally share inherited characteristics and abilities of the father. Sloads, dragons, and other sentient races cannot mate with Men, Elves, or Beastmen, and are not considered 'human.' Exceptional accounts of matings between men and daedra do not fit smoothly into this scheme."

Which means, beastfolk can really interbreed with men and mer! (though most of the racial features will still follow mother's race, i think)
Now that all player couples have no problem having their own children (adoption can still be an option though), add "have children" as a future homestead feature will ya ZOS?

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

This is a clever "where are all the children?" thread . Good luck lol .

Lyserus · January 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This is a clever "where are all the children?" thread . Good luck lol .

Well, not just about “no Children”

Also about have children of own

I just don't understand why the main characters in elder scrolls series just have to be infertile

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2017

Actually you might want to disregard that post, not everything written out in out of game sources is canon, Argonians for one can clearly not reproduce with a human simply because Argonians come from Eggs.

Gilvoth · January 2017

my apologies, i hated seeing children in skyrim, i hope we dont see them in eso.

Osteos · January 2017

Now I'm imagining an Imperial women with children from a Khajiit father following her around saying "This one wants to know if we are there yet?"

I am happy without children in the game but if it will make someone else happy to have rugrats then why not.

Messy1 · January 2017

Yea, for the love of the divines add children

Glurin · January 2017

Now keep what the OP has posted in mind as you read up on the Lunar Lattice as it relates to Khajiit offspring.

menedhyn · January 2017

I thought everyone was far too busy questing and fighting to start in-game families?

Perhaps the Crown Store pets are the substitute...

ArchMikem · January 2017

Osteos wrote: »

Now I'm imagining an Imperial women with children from a Khajiit father following her around saying "This one wants to know if we are there yet?"

I am happy without children in the game but if it will make someone else happy to have rugrats then why not.

Khajiit are not born to talk that way, the speech is cultural, and the children of an Imperial woman sired by a Khajiit would speak Cyrodiilic if they were raised in the Empire. A nice little example of this is a Khajiit Centurion quest giver in the Dominion, just outside of Arenthia. The Vestige remarks on her sounding like an Imperial and she replies she talks that way due to her being raised outside of Elsweyr, (much to the disdain of her mother).

To the OP, yes the Races can interbreed (cause lol fantasy world), but ZOS wouldn't introduce children and the ability to have children with other players, ESO just isn't that kind of RPG. If you decided to have a child on your Female character, I'd fully expect it to be realistically leaning, in the way that the Child would be on a timer much like researching armor traits are. And honestly what woman in her right mind would go out into the wilds adventuring, questing, and waging war in Cyrodiil while very Pregnant? It would be stupid for pregnant characters to be ganking in Cyrodiil and raiding Trials. However I would never support it if the system was any less realistic. Press a button, grats you're preggers! Wait 30 days, time's up, grats your new baby is in your Collectibles ready to be used?

Flameheart · January 2017

I hope those children won't be unkillable as in TES Skyrim ?

lillybit · January 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

So I recently discovered this wonderful lore website https://www.imperial-library.info/

And in the book (Savants' Notes on Vvardenfell), I found something:

"Elves consider themselves the only 'truly human race,' being descended directly from the gods, and regard the Manish and Beast races as highly intelligent animals. On the other hand, Imperial scholars consider Men, Elves, and Beastmen as 'men,' on the basis that individuals of all three groups can mate with one another.

Offspring of inter-racial matings have the racial appearance of the mother, but may occasionally share inherited characteristics and abilities of the father. Sloads, dragons, and other sentient races cannot mate with Men, Elves, or Beastmen, and are not considered 'human.' Exceptional accounts of matings between men and daedra do not fit smoothly into this scheme."

Which means, beastfolk can really interbreed with men and mer! (though most of the racial features will still follow mother's race, i think)
Now that all player couples have no problem having their own children (adoption can still be an option though), add "have children" as a future homestead feature will ya ZOS?

Wouldn't it make character creation interesting if they introduced this in to it - would it give you two sets of racials or could you just have bosmer appearance with orc racials?

Emencie · January 2017

But like argonians are not even mammals right?

They are reptiles, with the no hair, scales and the egg laying? How could they possibly have a child with the rest?

Gandrhulf_Harbard · January 2017

Osteos wrote: »

Now I'm imagining an Imperial women with children from a Khajiit father following her around saying "This one wants to know if we are there yet?"

Mmmm, thank you. Just had to go wash the waste paper bin from under my desk, was the only place to dump the mouthful of coffee, other than the keyboard.

/bow

All The Best

runagate · January 2017

Please stop posting this crap. Pretty much everyone is opposed to children in-game, including the developers. The horrific zone chat is bad now and just imagine... I don't even want to think about it. Just stop.

Milvan · January 2017

I'm pretty sure that there is another in-game book that deny the one op quoted. But I can't remember the title.

In this book a schoolar "tested" (probably mad scientist style) which races can interbreed with each other, but I really can't remember the title.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

I don't think "savants' notes on Vvardenfell" is an ingame book, in any ES game. It's a TIL article.

JKorr · January 2017

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

In-game book. The one in ESO is the 3rd edition, the one in Morrowind is the 7th.

Children take the appearance of the mother with some traits of the father. The Grey Prince in Oblivion is an example.

I would rather not have kids in the game. Besides the annoyance factor, general rants would happen about not being able to kill them, that they are invincible, and that adding more npcs would cause even more lag. And zone chat would end up even more objectionable that it is now.

max_only · January 2017

I'm not seeing how allowing people to have adopted war orphans in their homesteads causes problems for anyone. Lag from unnecessary npcs? Really? So a dog chasing a cat is necessary?, npcs sleeping on the ground are necessary? If they are in the instanced homestead that gives you in the city lag?

No I really can't see a reason why the option of npc children is a detriment to anyone. Just don't participate if you don't like it.

Some people are bound and determined to have giant mansions and castles sit completely EMPTY.

Posts asking for anything that adds "life" to the homes (copies of our alts, hirable npcs like bards) are immediately shut down by curmudgeons. I don't get it.

AlwaysOnFire · January 2017

I would be cautious about the Imperial Library. it's great fun but should definitely be taken with a grain of salt.

A lot of the material there is curated around their really intense (and at its worst, kind of circle-jerky) fanon community, and blurs canonicty (as in: things you can read, surmise, experience in-game, things people say, notes people write, the 'text' you buy and proceed through when you obtain the game) and speculation, the opinions and blogposts of various Lore Celebs, that may not even work for Bethesda anymore or have never worked for Bethesda, ascended fanfiction by popular users, etc.

There is also the fact that The Elder Scrolls is a commercial series, and thus will never be the literary baby of any few writers, interpreters, no matter how important being a 'Loremaster' might make somebody feel. If it's determined that some part of former lore is sorta crappy, dated, racist allegory, whatever, it can and will be dropped right in the bin by the intellectual owners of the franchise. It's not ours to be an expert on, it's owned by, well, who owns it. It can change in an instant if someone who owns it wants it to, and all that knowledge or interpretation of it could just be gone instantly.

TheImperfect · January 2017

I know it is said there are no children in the game but I always think of Gwendis as a child because she seems small and childlike like a twelve to fifteen year old and in her manner too.

Akrasjel · January 2017

Think of the children

JKorr · January 2017

AlwaysOnFire wrote: »

I would be cautious about the Imperial Library. it's great fun but should definitely be taken with a grain of salt.

A lot of the material there is curated around their really intense (and at its worst, kind of circle-jerky) fanon community, and blurs canonicty (as in: things you can read, surmise, experience in-game, things people say, notes people write, the 'text' you buy and proceed through when you obtain the game) and speculation, the opinions and blogposts of various Lore Celebs, that may not even work for Bethesda anymore or have never worked for Bethesda, ascended fanfiction by popular users, etc.

There is also the fact that The Elder Scrolls is a commercial series, and thus will never be the literary baby of any few writers, interpreters, no matter how important being a 'Loremaster' might make somebody feel. If it's determined that some part of former lore is sorta crappy, dated, racist allegory, whatever, it can and will be dropped right in the bin by the intellectual owners of the franchise. It's not ours to be an expert on, it's owned by, well, who owns it. It can change in an instant if someone who owns it wants it to, and all that knowledge or interpretation of it could just be gone instantly.

There is a difference between books that your character can find and read in game, and the fan written stuff, some contributed by the devs back in Daggerfall/Morrowind days. People's interpretation of the in-game books can vary. When a book is copied verbatim from the game files, not so much. The devs can, and did change the books; two versions of the "Real Berenziah" is an example.

max_only wrote: »

I'm not seeing how allowing people to have adopted war orphans in their homesteads causes problems for anyone. Lag from unnecessary npcs? Really? So a dog chasing a cat is necessary?, npcs sleeping on the ground are necessary? If they are in the instanced homestead that gives you in the city lag?

No I really can't see a reason why the option of npc children is a detriment to anyone. Just don't participate if you don't like it.

Some people are bound and determined to have giant mansions and castles sit completely EMPTY.

Posts asking for anything that adds "life" to the homes (copies of our alts, hirable npcs like bards) are immediately shut down by curmudgeons. I don't get it.

Until you mentioned the housing, it wasn't in the thread. Just having kids around and allowing player characters to have kids, and what they'd look like. And what kind of racials you could get if they introduced the possibility of mixed race characters. Nothing about "war orphans"; that was Skyrim. I don't believe I recall ever hearing about any npcs that died in Cyrodiil, let along what happened to their kids.

Having a large number of kids running around the towns/cities in the game would cause issues. Rawlkha market? Mournhold market that already has issues since the wayshrine is right in the middle of it? If they allowed kids in the game, but forced players to keep them in the homesteads, that would cause even more ranting.

MornaBaine · January 2017

I think children would be a nice feature to place in player housing. Also, the main cities where combat is not taking place should have NPC children running around. Feel free NOT to give the little brats any dialogue though! There's a REASON the "killabe children" mod became so popular in Skyrim!

Molydeus · January 2017

It is rather strange there are no children in this game. Othet MMOs have them, not sure why ESO is different. Makes the game world feel old, especially in quests about "children" who always turn out to be adults.

Emencie · January 2017

MornaBaine wrote: »

I think children would be a nice feature to place in player housing. Also, the main cities where combat is not taking place should have NPC children running around. Feel free NOT to give the little brats any dialogue though! There's a REASON the "killabe children" mod became so popular in Skyrim!

There is supposed to be no combat in the cities?

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