ZOS - What is wrong with the servers?

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Fudly_budly · January 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

What odds we giving that they don't mention any of the server issues on ESO live this coming week? Will find time for promote new crown store goodies, though

yep. and the wonderful benies of eso+ ha lol

Drummerx04 · January 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Eh...it's the weekend now, another three days of silence I guess. Followed by another week of avoiding the forums except to talk about Crown store content.

If we are lucky they will pop by to continue to claim it is a DDOS. They seem to be hit by the only DDOS which keeps regular hours - it is the same time each day. Hmm

Honestly the time of day wouldn't strike me as particularly odd. If someone has or generates the resources to DDOS a large networked system, then they would likely have the ability to schedule when such attacks would happen. As for a motive, perhaps the attacker simply wants to build mistrust and frustration within the consumer base since a server that crashes regularly over short intervals is very annoying.

magnusthorek · January 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

Then Bethesda and investors will realize they made a huge mistake in hiring zenimax to design and implement their elder scrolls online game.

ZOS and Bethesda are the same company, both wholly owned by Zenimax Studios.

Although I know anyone can write whatever they want, that's not what I understood from company page on Wikipedia.

I see as Bethesda licensed The elder Scrolls franchise to Zenimax Studio so they could develop an online version of the series

Elsonso · January 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Going to start recording server times of death here just to see.

Time of Death - 8:20am EST 22 Jan

You are sort of new to this whole data recording thing, eh?

Today in 21 Jan.

You never recorded which megaserver you are talking about.... PC EU, XBox, PS4? I know it is not PC NA since I am on that one right now.

While we are at it, if ZOS is getting a DDoS, you might be impacted by the mitigation, not the actual DDoS, so knowing where you are would be helpful.

magnusthorek wrote: »

I see as Bethesda licensed The elder Scrolls franchise to Zenimax Studio so they could develop an online version of the series

In a sense, this is true, but you also have to keep in mind that both Bethesda and ZOS are part of the larger ZeniMax Media. I doubt there is any "licensing" going on, at least not in the sense that is commonly applied.

Betheny · January 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Going to start recording server times of death here just to see.

Time of Death - 8:20am EST 22 Jan

You are sort of new to this whole data recording thing, eh?

Today in 21 Jan.

You never recorded which megaserver you are talking about.... PC EU, XBox, PS4? I know it is not PC NA since I am on that one right now.

While we are at it, if ZOS is getting a DDoS, you might be impacted by the mitigation, not the actual DDoS, so knowing where you are would be helpful.

Whoops

it's the 22nd in my country...points for trying to get US time right though.

Editing that post.

Betheny · January 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

While we are at it, if ZOS is getting a DDoS, you might be impacted by the mitigation, not the actual DDoS, so knowing where you are would be helpful.

A bunch of people crashed then, I wasn't even playing so no point me saying where I was at the time.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

Then Bethesda and investors will realize they made a huge mistake in hiring zenimax to design and implement their elder scrolls online game.

ZOS and Bethesda are the same company, both wholly owned by Zenimax Studios.

Although I know anyone can write whatever they want, that's not what I understood from company page on Wikipedia.

I see as Bethesda licensed The elder Scrolls franchise to Zenimax Studio so they could develop an online version of the series

Actually, if you look closer, Bethesda created Zenimax Media in 1999. Zos was created by Zenimax to do ESO after a Fallout MMO was shelved after Zeni bought the rights to it. Bethesda, Zos, id Software and a string of other IP's are owned by Zenimax Media. All one company.

Betheny wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Eh...it's the weekend now, another three days of silence I guess. Followed by another week of avoiding the forums except to talk about Crown store content.

If we are lucky they will pop by to continue to claim it is a DDOS. They seem to be hit by the only DDOS which keeps regular hours - it is the same time each day. Hmm

That is weird (is it really the same hours it happens?)...what could do that though?

Some disgruntled employee knocking off for the day and unplugging a few servers for a sec?

Or is it the electricity getting forcibly powered down because we've been dumped onto a low rate plan during offpeak hours?

Not to say that there is a "Conspiracy", but it is damn funny that these "Ddos" attacks started the same week that Zenimax and Oculus/ Facebook go to court in their 2 billion dollar lawsuit.. Coincidence???????
Things that make you go "Hmmmmmm"...

MornaBaine · January 2017

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Eh...it's the weekend now, another three days of silence I guess. Followed by another week of avoiding the forums except to talk about Crown store content.

If we are lucky they will pop by to continue to claim it is a DDOS. They seem to be hit by the only DDOS which keeps regular hours - it is the same time each day. Hmm

They are currently in a lawsuit with Facebook. I'm not saying it's Zuckerberg but....

http://gizmodo.com/catch-up-on-the-explosive-2-billion-lawsuit-against-fa-1791267436

Really interesting stuff. I despise Zuckerberg so I kinda hope Zeni owns him on this.

Betheny · January 2017

MornaBaine wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Eh...it's the weekend now, another three days of silence I guess. Followed by another week of avoiding the forums except to talk about Crown store content.

If we are lucky they will pop by to continue to claim it is a DDOS. They seem to be hit by the only DDOS which keeps regular hours - it is the same time each day. Hmm

They are currently in a lawsuit with Facebook. I'm not saying it's Zuckerberg but....

http://gizmodo.com/catch-up-on-the-explosive-2-billion-lawsuit-against-fa-1791267436

Really interesting stuff. I despise Zuckerberg so I kinda hope Zeni owns him on this.

Yeah I hope they own him too.

But I also hope they start acknowledging the server issues and act more aware of the impact it has on us players...

cpuScientist · January 2017

OK it is fairly obvious zucks behind this now

Elsonso · January 2017

Betheny wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

While we are at it, if ZOS is getting a DDoS, you might be impacted by the mitigation, not the actual DDoS, so knowing where you are would be helpful.

A bunch of people crashed then, I wasn't even playing so no point me saying where I was at the time.

That makes it sound like you were in a Campaign. I really dislike the use of the term "server" when talking about campaigns because it is imprecise. If this is the case, and people outside of Cyrodiil are playing like nothing is happening, then it is not a DDoS.

Again, I have no idea what server you are on, but if we are talking Cyrodiil, we also need to know which campaign.

Betheny · January 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

I have no idea what server you are on

Assume I'm concerned and reporting with PC NA, the MEGA SERVER.

That's the one that keeps booting people all at the same time and in large numbers, though quite oddly a few people have been booted from their xbox server at same time as well.

billp_ESO · January 2017

Crashed out of a normal dungeon two nights in a row now. PC-NA

Delgent · January 2017

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Seraphayel · January 2017

So day 5 and can't log into my main on Xbox EU. What is wrong?

Elsonso · January 2017

Betheny wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I have no idea what server you are on

Assume I'm concerned and reporting with PC NA, the MEGA SERVER.

That's the one that keeps booting people all at the same time and in large numbers, though quite oddly a few people have been booted from their xbox server at same time as well.

Got it, thanks. I don't really remember what server everyone uses. I wish our forum profile included all the servers we play on.

In any case, I have not been booted from PC NA since the start of New Life.

Betheny · January 2017

Delgent wrote: »

It's possible the reason they haven't identified it yet is it isn't a common problem affecting everybody. I know I have logged at least 20-30 hours (was home sick half of the week) over the past week and have not had a single issue with lag or disconnects. I would expect threads like this to be much more active if it was affecting everyone.

This isn't the thread people post on when they get booted from the server. You can see when there's a mass booting on threads like Servers Just Went Down and other similar ones, and that's just a few people who bother to post on the forums.

It's always a lot of people getting booted at the same time, after a massive ping increase.

If you play on PC NA and haven't experienced this then either you weren't playing at the time the servers choked, or you were on an unaffected server (we connect to the megaserver using a bunch of different servers with different IPs, I always check which server I'm on at time so am quite aware of how the megaserver is actually broken into many parts).

They told us in one post a week ago that this is a DDoS attack, but haven't updated us with any more info like what they're doing or even acknowledging it's an annoying issue for the player base.

Delgent · January 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Delgent wrote: »

It's possible the reason they haven't identified it yet is it isn't a common problem affecting everybody. I know I have logged at least 20-30 hours (was home sick half of the week) over the past week and have not had a single issue with lag or disconnects. I would expect threads like this to be much more active if it was affecting everyone.

This isn't the thread people post on when they get booted from the server. You can see when there's a mass booting on threads like Servers Just Went Down and other similar ones, and that's just a few people who bother to post on the forums.

It's always a lot of people getting booted at the same time, after a massive ping increase.

If you play on PC NA and haven't experienced this then either you weren't playing at the time the servers choked, or you were on an unaffected server (we connect to the megaserver using a bunch of different servers with different IPs, I always check which server I'm on at time so am quite aware of how the megaserver is actually broken into many parts).

They told us in one post a week ago that this is a DDoS attack, but haven't updated us with any more info like what they're doing or even acknowledging it's an annoying issue for the player base.

My apologies, wasn't trying to be anything but helpful. I'll resume my lurker status.

Travel Well!

Willard · January 2017

On PS4 NA constantly getting lag spikes, rubber-banding, and disconnects. Additionally: NPCs taking for ever to show up, Players not rendering for 20sec and longer, and random loading screens have come back??? I won't even go into PvP!

What is up?? Love this game, but currently it is almost impossible to play.

Sigtric · January 2017

Delgent wrote: »

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No no no obviously its ZOS fault even though when the lag happens certain geographical regions are completely unaffected and remain logged in and lag free. /snark

Most people in this thread have no clue how the Internet works, but you get points for trying to explain to them.

Elsonso · January 2017

Betheny wrote: »

If you play on PC NA and haven't experienced this then either you weren't playing at the time the servers choked, or you were on an unaffected server (we connect to the megaserver using a bunch of different servers with different IPs, I always check which server I'm on at time so am quite aware of how the megaserver is actually broken into many parts).

Cool, I really don't pay attention, any more, to my megaserver entry point. I was keeping a list, for a while, back when we wondered exactly where the various megaservers were. I haven't cared in more than a year.

Perhaps, when you get booted and note the time and date, you can also include the megaserver IP address you are connected to?

Betheny · January 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

If you play on PC NA and haven't experienced this then either you weren't playing at the time the servers choked, or you were on an unaffected server (we connect to the megaserver using a bunch of different servers with different IPs, I always check which server I'm on at time so am quite aware of how the megaserver is actually broken into many parts).

Cool, I really don't pay attention, any more, to my megaserver entry point. I was keeping a list, for a while, back when we wondered exactly where the various megaservers were. I haven't cared in more than a year.

Perhaps, when you get booted and note the time and date, you can also include the megaserver IP address you are connected to?

I was thinking of doing that next time. Though I've barely played since getting booted several times in the past week every time I decided to play, it put me off a bit and since then I've only logged in to go fishing or farm some mats rather than do any fighting and get booted in the middle of a fight (again).

The server issues have affected my playtime

Betheny · January 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Delgent wrote: »

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No no no obviously its ZOS fault even though when the lag happens certain geographical regions are completely unaffected and remain logged in and lag free. /snark

Most people in this thread have no clue how the Internet works, but you get points for trying to explain to them.

It's more likely that those certain people were just on one of the servers that didn't go down. We connect through many servers, two at a time (one "hosts" us and remains constant during that login session, and the other is a variable and changes all the time as we pass onto various areas).

Betheny · January 2017

Anyone else feel the need to snark in here and tell us all the servers have been perfectly stable all week and we're just making stuff up, and have no idea how the interwebz really work?

Sigtric · January 2017

Delgent wrote: »

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Betheny wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Delgent wrote: »

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No no no obviously its ZOS fault even though when the lag happens certain geographical regions are completely unaffected and remain logged in and lag free. /snark

Most people in this thread have no clue how the Internet works, but you get points for trying to explain to them.

It's more likely that those certain people were just on one of the servers that didn't go down. We connect through many servers, two at a time (one "hosts" us and remains constant during that login session, and the other is a variable and changes all the time as we pass onto various areas).

Betheny wrote: »

Anyone else feel the need to snark in here and tell us all the servers have been perfectly stable all week and we're just making stuff up, and have no idea how the interwebz really work?

The servers have been getting hit, no one is saying you're making stuff up.
The majority of people making threads about the disconnects though, time and time again, have shown they have no clue what they are talking about in regards to networking, how game servers work, DDoS attack effects, etc.

It's fine to make a thread about your connection problems, but the trouble is, MOST of the people pointing fingers at ZOS are the ones making things up simply because they aren't comprehending what is actually happening.

Betheny · January 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

It's fine to make a thread about your connection problems, but the trouble is, MOST of the people pointing fingers at ZOS are the ones making things up simply because they aren't comprehending what is actually happening.

I'm just referring to the times when it's clear a massive number of players all got booted at the same time.

There are always performance complaint threads, these recent events are something else again.

And this thread's purpose is about trying to get ZOS to talk to us about what we've been dealing with this past week.

EnemyOfDaState · January 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Delgent wrote: »

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Betheny wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Delgent wrote: »

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No no no obviously its ZOS fault even though when the lag happens certain geographical regions are completely unaffected and remain logged in and lag free. /snark

Most people in this thread have no clue how the Internet works, but you get points for trying to explain to them.

It's more likely that those certain people were just on one of the servers that didn't go down. We connect through many servers, two at a time (one "hosts" us and remains constant during that login session, and the other is a variable and changes all the time as we pass onto various areas).

Betheny wrote: »

Anyone else feel the need to snark in here and tell us all the servers have been perfectly stable all week and we're just making stuff up, and have no idea how the interwebz really work?

The servers have been getting hit, no one is saying you're making stuff up.
The majority of people making threads about the disconnects though, time and time again, have shown they have no clue what they are talking about in regards to networking, how game servers work, DDoS attack effects, etc.

It's fine to make a thread about your connection problems, but the trouble is, MOST of the people pointing fingers at ZOS are the ones making things up simply because they aren't comprehending what is actually happening.

Last time I checked Zeni is the company I give money to every month. Who gives a crap why, just fix it.

Delgent · January 2017

Betheny wrote: »

Anyone else feel the need to snark in here and tell us all the servers have been perfectly stable all week and we're just making stuff up, and have no idea how the interwebz really work?

I didn't say anyone was making things up. As I posted, I was involved in a similar situation when I played WoW that was external to Blizzard. People flamed Blizzard about their servers, when it turned out to be an AT&T commercial router that Blizzard had nothing to do with. Just as this seems to, that issue affected a large pool of users, me included.

I'm just glad you have this issue pinpointed to ZOS already. I must have access to the "awesome guy" servers since I've played early morning through late evening for several days over the past week without issue. It sucked having to call in sick, but hey, I got paid anyway, and I was able to catch up on my gaming.

Your earlier post suggests you haven't played much over the last week because of this issue, I have played extensively, so it's not STRICTLY a ZOS server issue. I'm sure it is an issue for some, I can tell you that the group I run with has had zero issues over the last week, and we regularly run dungeons together.

I wasn't trying to be snarky, but shed some light on a possible alternative...it seems to me you have the snark aspect covered.

Travel Well,
Del

Betheny · January 2017

Delgent wrote: »

Betheny wrote: »

Anyone else feel the need to snark in here and tell us all the servers have been perfectly stable all week and we're just making stuff up, and have no idea how the interwebz really work?

I didn't say anyone was making things up. As I posted, I was involved in a similar situation when I played WoW that was external to Blizzard. People flamed Blizzard about their servers, when it turned out to be an AT&T commercial router that Blizzard had nothing to do with. Just as this seems to, that issue affected a large pool of users, me included.

I'm just glad you have this issue pinpointed to ZOS already. I must have access to the "awesome guy" servers since I've played early morning through late evening for several days over the past week without issue. It sucked having to call in sick, but hey, I got paid anyway, and I was able to catch up on my gaming.

Your earlier post suggests you haven't played much over the last week because of this issue, I have played extensively, so it's not STRICTLY a ZOS server issue. I'm sure it is an issue for some, I can tell you that the group I run with has had zero issues over the last week, and we regularly run dungeons together.

I wasn't trying to be snarky, but shed some light on a possible alternative...it seems to me you have the snark aspect covered.

Travel Well,
Del

I wasn't talking about you. Not sure why you think I was, it was obvious the snark reference was about the guy who actually wrote the words "snark" in his post!

Also now that you've written an essay on why you think this actually isn't an issue and identified yourself as someone who wants to deny the issue exists, how about you read the forums and educate yourself...or hey, maybe even read the two links I wrote in my reply to you!

And thanks for finishing off your essay with an insult, that was uncalled for. How ironic that insult you tried to hit me with was. On my ignore list you go!