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Are Vamp aesthetics ever going to be optional?
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You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
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...personally I would say he looks like a normal altmer when hiding his vampirism, but...Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
And yeah, I still agree that there should be an option for players to "go masquerade" so to speak... but it should be an option with limits, and with some drawback.
Like... a skill that takes up a skill slot. Or... an ring that takes up an ring slot. Or a disguise... that prevents sneaking and unequips at taking damage like any other disguises... (though that would not fit with Count Ravenwatch as he was able to keep his disguise in the fighting to save the nobles taken captive...)
And it should only be usable at stage one of course, it makes compelte sense after all that a vampire would have to be gourged with blood to maintain any hope of disguise...
But the option definitely should be there! As should be reasons to use it - like guards attacking all vampires who "let their fangs out"... and maybe even the occasional "vampire hunter" NPC who can see through the disguise...
Hey, adding more layers to vampoires would be fun! I always thought they should be more like in the classic tales, rather then merely "players with an additional skill line"...9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They are now. Seven of my eight characters look vampire free. The one left takes full advantage of his vampire look wearing Soul Shriven styled armor dyed to match his pasty complexion. Others shake with terror and fear when he passes ripping the wings off of butterflies as he goes.Edited by kargen27 on January 20, 2017 9:42PMand then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
FluffyReachWitch✭✭✭✭✭I'm all for the option to hide vampirism, with no drawbacks or penalties at all, as the appearance is merely cosmetic and has no impact on gameplay to begin with. Just letting vampire players check a box in gameplay options, the same way we can hide our helmets and mount upgrades, would be pretty great.7 -
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✭✭✭You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
As i recall disguises tend to make you look normal - hiding vampirism, so if there are any disguises you like then they along with hide helmets will do a good part of the work. there are a ton of disguises so...Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭✭✭✭Yay! Another one!
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Awesome constructive post detailing your position, reasons, and concessions! "Yay!"
And yeah OP I feel you. Stage one vamps, by lore definition (Google "Immortal Blood", quite a good read) can fool even the most seasoned, trained hunters when fed. So, my solution?
Add another stage to vampirism identicle to stage 1, but with unchanged skin. "Stage 0", if you will.5 -
bigmamajama✭✭✭So you want to be a Vampire, have all the perks of a Vampire but not look like I'm a Vampire.9
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✭✭✭✭✭bigmamajama wrote: »So you want to be a Vampire, have all the perks of a Vampire but not look like I'm a Vampire.
Sort of, mostly I want my vampire to not look like an extra from the walking dead...6 -
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭You drink the blood, you pay the price. That's my philosophy. Personally I appreciate ESO enforcing that a vampire looks like the classical vampire from fiction.
All of you jokers want to be a vampire AND beautiful. I don't want ESO to be Twilight, Interview with a Vampire, or True Blood.
If you dirty vampires get to hide your unholy corruption, I want to have my Werewolf powers in human form. At the very least ZOS, give me a costume that lets me be Teen Wolf.
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FluffyReachWitch✭✭✭✭✭In support of OP, and many other vampires who just want to look mortal, I'd like to point out that these are meaningful penalties to vampirism:
- Serious vulnerability to fire, depending on when you last fed.
- Much lower health regen, I assume depending on when you last fed.
- Vulnerability to Fighter's Guild abilities.
- The need to feed on people frequently in order to maintain the level of vampirism you want, unless you're okay with the pros and cons of not feeding.
ESO also has many great features that allow us to benefit from one thing while hiding it with something else for cosmetic reasons. We can wear robe costumes over heavy armor, and have the benefits of heavy armor perks and armor rating without showing everyone that we're wearing heavy armor. We can hide our helmets, getting the benefit of head protection and monster helms with all the style of having no head protection or monster helms. Being able to hide creepy pale skin and bloody-looking eyes wouldn't be any different.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They are aware it is something we want, so I think maybe one day.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Thanks @bhlegit! We're tracking this bug with another costume, so we'll add this costume to the list. (Also, the request to toggle the vampire skin visual effect is noted.
)Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.6 -
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He doesn't look Human at all, infact he looks like a High Elf.You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
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Yeah, that's pretty much splitting hairs and isn't really relevant to the point, the point being that he's a vampire but looks like a mortal.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
He doesn't look Human at all, infact he looks like a High Elf.You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
He doesn't look Human at all, infact he looks like a High Elf.You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
He looks incredibly handsome, that's what he looks like.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There's already an option to disguise your vampirism in game:
Toggle this off."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle4 -
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✭✭✭If ZOS is smart, they will stock Potion of the Illusion of Beauty in the Crown Store ASAP. Potion effects: For 2 hours you hide the appearance of being a vampire.
Better yet, they should put it in crown crates. They'd make a fortune.
They'd probably just call it Crown Beauty Potion.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »There's already an option to disguise your vampirism in game:
Toggle this off.
We both know this isn't really an option here, no matter how many times it is brought up in threads such as this one.
The people who care about the way their vampire look are obviously people who care about aesthetics, which means the option you present is not by any means adequate for two reasons:
1 - People who care about aesthetics won't like any helm to appear because moster helms are generally ugly.
2 - People who care about aesthetics will wear costumes to avoid the mismatched look of dropped sets, and many costumes do not have helms or have helms that do not hide your face.
And before you say you gotta choose between being a vampire and looking good, no, we shouldn't have to make that choice. We have lore to back up an option to hide vampirism. An NPC is able to do it, there are other examples on the lore and on this game of vampires or regular people disguising themselves using illusion magic. There is no good reason why it shouldn't be added, not one that anyone was able to present so far, at least.Edited by Abeille on January 21, 2017 2:43AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.8 -
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It could be because he is a pureblooded vampire and well your not.EldritchPenguin wrote: »
Yeah, that's pretty much splitting hairs and isn't really relevant to the point, the point being that he's a vampire but looks like a mortal.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
He doesn't look Human at all, infact he looks like a High Elf.You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
It could be because he is a pureblooded vampire and well your not.EldritchPenguin wrote: »
Yeah, that's pretty much splitting hairs and isn't really relevant to the point, the point being that he's a vampire but looks like a mortal.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
He doesn't look Human at all, infact he looks like a High Elf.You see, I love vamp and all, the passives are great and it has some neat skills in certain situations... But when I make my characters I want them to look good and not like they have been covered in tippex and some 5 year old has splattered red sharpie all over them... Some people may not understand my feelings and thoughts but for me, a huge part of the game is making my character look aesthetically pleasing. I see no reason not to be a vamp really if you are on a magicka build and are like me who loves the Templar classes (the huge heals built into the class make up for the fire weakness completely imho), except for the horrible aesthetics.
Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
So my question to you ZOS is why can the players not look like humans when afflicted with vampirism?
It could be, or he could just be using illusion magic.
There are other instances in the game where mortals used illusion magic or enchanted items to make themselves or someone else look completely different. Doing the same to make a character look like a mortal version of themselves shouldn't be a problem.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.5 -
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✭✭There are other instances in the game where mortals used illusion magic or enchanted items to make themselves or someone else look completely different. Doing the same to make a character look like a mortal version of themselves shouldn't be a problem.
Stop using Verandis as an excuse for being able to hide our vampirism. He's apparently the only vampire NPC in ESO that can do it, which may well be a gift from Molag Bal.
Neither Gwendis nor Adusa-daro or the guys at Wittestadr seem to be able to do this, so why should we?
If we ever get such a feature, it has to be a toggle skill that only works in stage 1 and maybe stage 2.2 -
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✭I used to be against this but I have changed my mind. I felt and still feel that it is one of the drawbacks to being a vampire. But, someone brought up swtor and the ability to hide darkside corruption. I used this on my sith, I liked that her pretty sweet appearance hid a cruel monster. I enjoyed that deception. If I wouldn't have been able to hide the corruption it would have altered the way I played her and the choices I made. Basically it would have forced me down one path and removed my ability to chose what I wanted to do. I feel that we should be free to make decisions without having to worry that our characters appearance will be significantly altered.
I think a toggle like hide helmet is the best option. That way people who like the look can keep it and those that don't can toggle it off. Or if not fully mortal looking maybe normal skin tone and the red vampire eyes that most npc vampires have.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault3 -
sentientomega✭✭✭I think the way swtor hides the dark side corruption should be the inspiration, but an option next to Hide Helmet would work fine as well. You could call it, "Hide Vampire Corruption". After all, it is a form of biological corruption, given the effects that come into play with being a vampire (no conventional eating or drinking, extreme longevity). If it had been me implementing the vampires in the game, hiding the skin effects would've been an option from the beginning. It's not as if no-one would show the vampire look. Loads of swtor players sport their DS corruption, despite the option to hide it being present, so no worries there. 1 -
Fodore✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
...personally I would say he looks like a normal altmer when hiding his vampirism, but...Now, i'm probably going to get some people saying "oh well you know, you cant be a vampire and not look like one"... well clearly you can... just take a look at Count Verandis Ravenwatch who looks just like a normal human when hiding his vampirism.
And yeah, I still agree that there should be an option for players to "go masquerade" so to speak... but it should be an option with limits, and with some drawback.
Like... a skill that takes up a skill slot. Or... an ring that takes up an ring slot. Or a disguise... that prevents sneaking and unequips at taking damage like any other disguises... (though that would not fit with Count Ravenwatch as he was able to keep his disguise in the fighting to save the nobles taken captive...)
And it should only be usable at stage one of course, it makes compelte sense after all that a vampire would have to be gourged with blood to maintain any hope of disguise...
But the option definitely should be there! As should be reasons to use it - like guards attacking all vampires who "let their fangs out"... and maybe even the occasional "vampire hunter" NPC who can see through the disguise...
Hey, adding more layers to vampoires would be fun! I always thought they should be more like in the classic tales, rather then merely "players with an additional skill line"...
Maybe have a potion that you need to keep drinking which hides it? Idk how well that would work
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